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Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.01.03 19:54:00 -
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Please tell me this is actually an elaborate troll which I have fallen for. Removing drone assist from the game would be like removing the watchlist. Or removing auto repeating modules....
For a long time Drone assist has been a unbroken nice aspect of the game. Removing this will pretty much make carriers a PIG to fly. They are already a burden to fly as they are basically big logistic ships. But making them have to micro manage drones as well... nonono...
What will that inty do with his carrier friend sitting just outside pos shields with drones assisted...
What will that fast tackle sat on a gate with sentry's do..... without thoes sentry's assisted.....
Assisting has been a long standing integral game mechanic which is not broken it is just part of the game. Remove it I certainly will be QQing!!
LEAVE -BRITNEY- DRONES ALONE!!
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Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1115
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Posted - 2014.01.03 19:57:00 -
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drone assist - convenience in PVE, pretty scary in PVP.
I don't mind it going away (not convinced yet that it will disappear entirely however). God forbid carriers should have to listen to the primary call if they want to do dps. And yeah, a bit op for gatecamps.
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Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.01.03 19:58:00 -
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Batelle wrote:drone assist - convenience in PVE, pretty scary in PVP.
I don't mind it going away. God forbid carriers should have to listen to the primary call if they want to do dps. And yeah, a bit op for gatecamps.
ah but think, carriers take an eternity to lock stuff, with tidi multiplie eternity with infinity and your close..... This will turn carriers into literally big shiny taxi's AND logistic ships. Combat will be so gimped its not funny
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Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1825
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Posted - 2014.01.03 19:58:00 -
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Never used drone assist myself, and it's been years since I took part in null-sec warfare circle-jerks, so while whatever you're referring to was probably a troll, I wouldn't miss it.
Maybe CCP could then spend less time trying to keep their nodes out of TiDi and more time working on fixing bugs. Dunno, just a thought...
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1336
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Posted - 2014.01.03 19:59:00 -
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Goons can't beat it so it'll happen. 
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Kawaiian Breeze
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:00:00 -
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Carriers should be fighters-only. Or at least cut the size of the drone bay by 90%
Dominix fleets are everywhere, even on the chinese server now and its dumb and bad. But at least you can wipe their drones out with some bombing runs or making them fleetwarp. Carriers carry and unlimited number of drones which makes them the ultimate super-weapon en masse. Fix this broken game  |
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:00:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Goons can't beat it so it'll happen.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Goons can you just fit smartbombs please....
or you know... JAM the fast locker with drones assisted 
LEAVE MY DRONES ALONNE QQQQQQ
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stoicfaux
3784
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:01:00 -
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Meh, make drone assist a module. If you want to control other people's drones, then fit drone assist modules.
WASABI: -áWarp Speed Module
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Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:02:00 -
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Kawaiian Breeze wrote:Carriers should be fighters-only. Or at least cut the size of the drone bay by 90% Dominix fleets are everywhere, even on the chinese server now and its dumb and bad. But at least you can wipe their drones out with some bombing runs or making them fleetwarp. Carriers carry and unlimited number of drones which makes them the ultimate super-weapon en masse. Fix this broken game
Totally forgot about bombs!!
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ICanDo ScienceMe
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:02:00 -
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Remove drone assist apart from fighters and fighter bombers. Current issues solved. |
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:02:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Meh, make drone assist a module. If you want to control other people's drones, then fit drone assist modules.
That could work, kinda..... If it was a choice between that or just removing it I'd certainly settle for that option.
Serious question, was this proposed by the CSM??
Dont just think outside the box, Live outside of it... |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1115
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:04:00 -
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Kawaiian Breeze wrote:Carriers should be fighters-only. Or at least cut the size of the drone bay by 90%
No, because carriers actually see combat vs subcaps and are used outside of slowcat fleets and actually need to have some kind of defensive resource. Reducing the drone bay would mean they wouldn't be able to use fighters at all.
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Kawaiian Breeze
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:05:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Goons can't beat it so it'll happen.
Goonies beat it today with Le Cynojammer  |
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:06:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Kawaiian Breeze wrote:Carriers should be fighters-only. Or at least cut the size of the drone bay by 90%
No, because carriers actually see combat vs subcaps and are used outside of slowcat fleets and actually need to have some kind of defensive resource. Reducing the drone bay would mean they wouldn't be able to use fighters at all.
Agreed 100% Carriers and drone assist is fine. Who ever suggested this nerf, and those who are considering it a good idea should be shot!!!
Dont just think outside the box, Live outside of it... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18712
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:08:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Meh, make drone assist a module. If you want to control other people's drones, then fit drone assist modules. GǪor make it follow the same rules as drone delegation.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
4160
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:09:00 -
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The drone assist hysteria is an example of people blaming a small thing for a big (and new) problem. People have been using drone assist literally for years with no problem, now people are doing it with carriers (or sub caps with new drone based bonuses, like the ishtar and domi) in fleet fights supported by drone damage mods and tech2 drone tracking mods and it is overpowered.
Drone damage mods and the new drone bonuses for sub caps are the main culprits, not drone assist. All of these things had to come together with drone assist to be overpowered.
That being said, the fix is very simply a 'bandwidth' limit for drone assisting ie one pilot can only command so many assisted drones.
A more complicated fix would be to separate the drone bay from the "fighter bay" in carriers and restrict carriers to 5 drones like sub caps, along with a toning down of the bonuses from drone mods and the sub cap drone bonuses.
But getting rid of drone assist that is only "overpowered" in a blob when coupled with carriers, drone bonused sub caps and/or drone mods is extremely short sighted. |
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:14:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:That being said, the fix is very simply a 'bandwidth' limit for drone assisting ie one pilot can only command so many assisted drones.
A more complicated fix would be to separate the drone bay from the "fighter bay" in carriers and restrict carriers to 5 drones like sub caps, along with a toning down of the bonuses from drone mods and the sub cap drone bonuses.
I think even that is overkill..... Its not broken, never has been... If the recentish changes to certain drone platforms have broken something else, revert said changes which caused the problem. Setting the Nerf bat on something which is a integral aspect of the game is wrong.
Dont just think outside the box, Live outside of it... |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
1018
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:14:00 -
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Prie Mary wrote:Please tell me this is actually an elaborate troll which I have fallen for. Removing drone assist from the game would be like removing the watchlist. Or removing auto repeating modules.... For a long time Drone assist has been a unbroken nice aspect of the game. Removing this will pretty much make carriers a PIG to fly. They are already a burden to fly as they are basically big logistic ships. But making them have to micro manage drones as well... nonono... What will that inty do with his carrier friend sitting just outside pos shields with drones assisted... What will that fast tackle sat on a gate with sentry's do..... without thoes sentry's assisted..... Assisting has been a long standing integral game mechanic which is not broken it is just part of the game. Remove it I certainly will be QQing!! LEAVE -BRITNEY- DRONES ALONE!!
Posting in a Stealth "Nerf drone assist" thread....
JAFMA
CCP, trading shiny pictures for playability since 2003..
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Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:17:00 -
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Trust me this isn't a stealth nerf drones thread.
This is a bemused amazed astonished say it isn't so thread!!
If this is ever implemented I WILL be donating all assets and isk to someone then bio massing all 11 characters.. I am NOT joking
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
961
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:29:00 -
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Don't remove drone assist, just limit it so you can only have a set amount of drone bandwidth assisting one character. Perhaps have a skill that allows you to increase it, or maybe an implant. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira.
Villore Accords
397
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:34:00 -
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Possible lock on topic as beat you by 1 second. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6061
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:37:00 -
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DRONE ASSIST
The best most balanced mechanic ever
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18712
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:39:00 -
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Prie Mary wrote:If this is ever implemented I WILL be donating all assets and isk to someone then bio massing all 11 characters.. I am NOT joking
Dibs.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:40:00 -
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The whole GD needs to be full of anti nerf treads as this is a truly game breaking idea!
Dont just think outside the box, Live outside of it... |
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Prie Mary wrote:If this is ever implemented I WILL be donating all assets and isk to someone then bio massing all 11 characters.. I am NOT joking Dibs.
Noted, if this is implemented you will be getting the "stuffs"
Dont just think outside the box, Live outside of it... |
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
455
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:42:00 -
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No more decloaking people by assigning drones to intys I guess :/ |
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:44:00 -
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Pohbis wrote:No more decloaking people by assigning drones to intys I guess :/
Another good reason this should NOT be changed at all.
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1911
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:48:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Goons can't beat it so it'll happen.
Unfortunately, CCP are probably going to give in to the demands of the goons.
It will, of course, be done under the guise of 're-balancing'
This is not a signature. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1119
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:54:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
Drone damage mods and the new drone bonuses for sub caps are the main culprits, not drone assist. All of these things had to come together with drone assist to be overpowered.
True, but we love DDAs and we love the Ishtar and Domi bonuses.
Quote:That being said, the fix is very simply a 'bandwidth' limit for drone assisting ie one pilot can only command so many assisted drones.
It would be a bit boring if its limited to 5 or conflicts with existing drones (in the way that ships without drone bays benefit more from assigned fighters than drone ships). The OP part of drone assist is the main advantage of it, to bypass the need for the droneship to lock anything or manage targets. Another possible fix would be to have assisted drones adopt the lock speed of their owner (not the asignee), but this has its issues too.
Quote: A more complicated fix would be to separate the drone bay from the "fighter bay" in carriers and restrict carriers to 5 drones like sub caps, along with a toning down of the bonuses from drone mods and the sub cap drone bonuses.
5-drone carrier sounds a bit pathetic, especially for all those times when its not fitting DDAs. As for the drone bonuses from modules and ship bonuses, we need to remember that sentry drones don't move, and can be lost or destroyed, so if they outperform guns on a mobile ship in those situations where they can be used effectively, there should be a reward for doing so.
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But getting rid of drone assist that is only "overpowered" in a blob when coupled with carriers, drone bonused sub caps and/or drone mods is extremely short sighted.
Fair enough, but you could also say the same for nerfing any other aspect of drones.
"CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6061
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Posted - 2014.01.03 21:03:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Sentamon wrote:Goons can't beat it so it'll happen. Unfortunately, CCP are probably going to give in to the demands of the goons. It will, of course, be done under the guise of 're-balancing'
Good stuff, then I guess I will look forward to it
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
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