It seems that by the day the EVE community becomes more and more divided. In every thread, players are splitting off into camps: you are either Highsec or Nullsec, Carebear or PVP, WiS or FIS, etc, etc...

Only a few months ago a shaky unity was formed around the collective frustration at the state of the game. We posted, and crashed trade hubs, and generally raged until we got CCP's attention...

...then CCP did the worst thing they could do; they relented.

They recognized that some pretty big wheels were squeaking and needed some oil, so they got their supplies together and went to work trying to make sure everything would function smoothly again. And for a little while, it seemed like things were back on track.

Then the little wheels saw what happened, and decided they wanted their day. Now every small cause and pet issue has a vocal minority raging on the forums and in game about the importance of their particular gripe. Heaven forbid if CCP decides to focus their efforts on something other than their topic of choice - as a whole we seem to have taken to heart the view that anything done for another area/play style/point of view than the one we champion will negatively impact our cause.

You're either with me, or against me.

The careful ballet of implementing change to a system as large and complex as EVE Online cannot be viewed as a zero sum game. Everything that does not directly benefit you and your game experience does not have to be viewed as a loss.

We have demonstrated the power of a united playerbase, and CCP has shown that they can recognize their mistakes and are willing to listen to the players in order to produce the best experience they can. However, we as players need to recognize that we cannot see all the cards, do not know every detail, and cannot always see what is best for the game. Since the events of this summer, it seems whenever an issue arises the same calls for player-vs-ccp rebellion, canceled subscriptions, and prophecies that the game will end sound again.

This cannot continue; doing so dilutes the power which we, as players, can potentially wield. Like the boy who cried wolf, if we continue to throw tantrums, rage, and make demands about every little change and gripe when a real issue comes along we will not be heard.

So lets all take a step back, allow CCP to continue on their new path of giving us fixes and new content and save our ire for when its really needed.

It seems that by the day the EVE community becomes more and more divided. In every thread, players are splitting off into camps: you are either Highsec or Nullsec, Carebear or PVP, WiS or FIS, etc, etc...

Only a few months ago a shaky unity was formed around the collective frustration at the state of the game. We posted, and crashed trade hubs, and generally raged until we got CCP's attention...

...then CCP did the worst thing they could do; they relented.

They recognized that some pretty big wheels were squeaking and needed some oil, so they got their supplies together and went to work trying to make sure everything would function smoothly again. And for a little while, it seemed like things were back on track.

Then the little wheels saw what happened, and decided they wanted their day. Now every small cause and pet issue has a vocal minority raging on the forums and in game about the importance of their particular gripe. Heaven forbid if CCP decides to focus their efforts on something other than their topic of choice - as a whole we seem to have taken to heart the view that anything done for another area/play style/point of view than the one we champion will negatively impact our cause.

You're either with me, or against me.

The careful ballet of implementing change to a system as large and complex as EVE Online cannot be viewed as a zero sum game. Everything that does not directly benefit you and your game experience does not have to be viewed as a loss.

We have demonstrated the power of a united playerbase, and CCP has shown that they can recognize their mistakes and are willing to listen to the players in order to produce the best experience they can. However, we as players need to recognize that we cannot see all the cards, do not know every detail, and cannot always see what is best for the game. Since the events of this summer, it seems whenever an issue arises the same calls for player-vs-ccp rebellion, canceled subscriptions, and prophecies that the game will end sound again.

This cannot continue; doing so dilutes the power which we, as players, can potentially wield. Like the boy who cried wolf, if we continue to throw tantrums, rage, and make demands about every little change and gripe when a real issue comes along we will not be heard.

So lets all take a step back, allow CCP to continue on their new path of giving us fixes and new content and save our ire for when its really needed.

i couldnt of put it better myself .

You're either with me, or against me.

I don't follow.

Actually, you could have.

/pet peeve

While I agree with the accuracy of your "peeve", I am going to suggest that by using the word "of" instead of the word "have" in the sentence; "I couldn't of put it better myself ." The poster is demonstrating though words and sentence structure that indeed he/she couldn't have put it better. The poor use of grammar adds to the meaning of the post thus creating additional emphasis for those who notice.

TLDR

TLDR: Stop all the complaining and let CCP fix the game is what it boils down to.

A wise option when dealing with the blind.

this is a troll.

A wise option when dealing with the blind.

While I agree with the accuracy of your "peeve", I am going to suggest that by using the word "of" instead of the word "have" in the sentence; "I couldn't of put it better myself ." The poster is demonstrating though words and sentence structure that indeed he/she couldn't have put it better. The poor use of grammar adds to the meaning of the post thus creating additional emphasis for those who notice.

TL;DR?

I think the OP is not saying that you are personally with him or against him. I think the OP is just trying to make a point about the varying camps that spit out the slogan "You're either with me or against me" while creating what appears to be Eve Online's version of a US Congress debating over stupid **** that has already been clearly explained a dozen times over.

Personally, I agree with the OP's statement about how divided we appear to act over varying issues while at the same time we all seem to unite when CCP does something stupid like it did early in the summer. Wonder Twin Powers, Activate!

I agree with the OP. Sometimes the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Most of the time though, he just looks like a whiner and gets ignored. Keep your mouth shut until it really matters. That will lend more weight to your cause than anything you can post on these forums.

It seems that by the day the EVE community becomes more and more divided. In every thread, players are splitting off into camps: you are either Highsec or Nullsec, Carebear or PVP, WiS or FIS, etc, etc...

Only a few months ago a shaky unity was formed around the collective frustration at the state of the game. We posted, and crashed trade hubs, and generally raged until we got CCP's attention...

...then CCP did the worst thing they could do; they relented.

They recognized that some pretty big wheels were squeaking and needed some oil, so they got their supplies together and went to work trying to make sure everything would function smoothly again. And for a little while, it seemed like things were back on track.

Then the little wheels saw what happened, and decided they wanted their day. Now every small cause and pet issue has a vocal minority raging on the forums and in game about the importance of their particular gripe. Heaven forbid if CCP decides to focus their efforts on something other than their topic of choice - as a whole we seem to have taken to heart the view that anything done for another area/play style/point of view than the one we champion will negatively impact our cause.

You're either with me, or against me.

The careful ballet of implementing change to a system as large and complex as EVE Online cannot be viewed as a zero sum game. Everything that does not directly benefit you and your game experience does not have to be viewed as a loss.

We have demonstrated the power of a united playerbase, and CCP has shown that they can recognize their mistakes and are willing to listen to the players in order to produce the best experience they can. However, we as players need to recognize that we cannot see all the cards, do not know every detail, and cannot always see what is best for the game. Since the events of this summer, it seems whenever an issue arises the same calls for player-vs-ccp rebellion, canceled subscriptions, and prophecies that the game will end sound again.

This cannot continue; doing so dilutes the power which we, as players, can potentially wield. Like the boy who cried wolf, if we continue to throw tantrums, rage, and make demands about every little change and gripe when a real issue comes along we will not be heard.

So lets all take a step back, allow CCP to continue on their new path of giving us fixes and new content and save our ire for when its really needed.

Since the events of this summer, it seems whenever an issue arises the same calls for player-vs-ccp rebellion, canceled subscriptions, and prophecies that the game will end sound again.

This cannot continue; doing so dilutes the power which we, as players, can potentially wield. Like the boy who cried wolf, if we continue to throw tantrums, rage, and make demands about every little change and gripe when a real issue comes along we will not be heard.

So lets all take a step back, allow CCP to continue on their new path of giving us fixes and new content and save our ire for when its really needed.

Its because CCP is trying to cater to two completely different players.

It is trying to cater to hardcore pvp group... with its initial releases
And now it wants to cater to the PvE group.


The problem is the PvP group requires that eve be left brutal.

The PVE group requires that they be allowed to have -EXACTLY THE SAME OPPERTUNITIES- but they dont want to lose their ships. They dont want to lose anything. These people have played Mortal Kombat and respawned with a full healthbar each time. They probably used GameGenie/GameShark too. These people played WoW and respawned with all their items each time they died, never losing a single thing. When they played Counterstrike they would be given money even if they die!

They have no concept, and no way of dealing with the eve environment. And because of this, they are whining about cloaks / autopilot / highsec ganks / insurance / etc etc etc.

They dont want to play eve the way we all know it... they want to play eve with Difficulty level 0 turned on. They want to complete everything, train everything. fly titans, and not lose any of it. This is just their mindset.

CCP has to choose between these player bases, because there is simply no way to cater to both. No game in history ever has. These players are usually kept seperate but because of CSM and how much sway the general population of eve has, these two camps are being shoved together, and a corporation who's looking for the fattest wallets are trying to decide who wins

It seems that by the day the EVE community becomes more and more divided. In every thread, players are splitting off into camps: you are either Highsec or Nullsec, Carebear or PVP, WiS or FIS, etc, etc...

Only a few months ago a shaky unity was formed around the collective frustration at the state of the game. We posted, and crashed trade hubs, and generally raged until we got CCP's attention...

...then CCP did the worst thing they could do; they relented.

They recognized that some pretty big wheels were squeaking and needed some oil, so they got their supplies together and went to work trying to make sure everything would function smoothly again. And for a little while, it seemed like things were back on track.

Then the little wheels saw what happened, and decided they wanted their day. Now every small cause and pet issue has a vocal minority raging on the forums and in game about the importance of their particular gripe. Heaven forbid if CCP decides to focus their efforts on something other than their topic of choice - as a whole we seem to have taken to heart the view that anything done for another area/play style/point of view than the one we champion will negatively impact our cause.

You're either with me, or against me.

The careful ballet of implementing change to a system as large and complex as EVE Online cannot be viewed as a zero sum game. Everything that does not directly benefit you and your game experience does not have to be viewed as a loss.

We have demonstrated the power of a united playerbase, and CCP has shown that they can recognize their mistakes and are willing to listen to the players in order to produce the best experience they can. However, we as players need to recognize that we cannot see all the cards, do not know every detail, and cannot always see what is best for the game. Since the events of this summer, it seems whenever an issue arises the same calls for player-vs-ccp rebellion, canceled subscriptions, and prophecies that the game will end sound again.

This cannot continue; doing so dilutes the power which we, as players, can potentially wield. Like the boy who cried wolf, if we continue to throw tantrums, rage, and make demands about every little change and gripe when a real issue comes along we will not be heard.

So lets all take a step back, allow CCP to continue on their new path of giving us fixes and new content and save our ire for when its really needed.

We can't have two EVEs one for the PvP type player and one for the other. In the end CCP will have to decide what type of game it wants to create.

You're either with me, or against me.