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Kenob	Posted - 2006.03.17 10:09:00 - [1] Hi all, Im a 2 months player of EVE and i have now a BC Cyclone, i have made run a lot of times pirates of 2 years, in cruisiers or tech II frigates, they normally stay to fight and they normally run (or explode) and go for others 2 years players and come back for u... normally i say in local GF ;) or something similar but most times they dont answer, i can imagine why, but i thing they could have a better ways to loose, and my question is, what percentage of kills of a pirate is "poor minners with navitas" or ships like this? because if u face them and they are not a gang of 2 or 3 at least is very easy make them run, of course i cant face 2 years players with BS but all other ships are easy to take normally, is really the piracy the university of PvP? or the real university is the pirate hunting? (Im not a pirate hunter, i just defend my self and my corp of them). Why pirates of 2 years kill noobs with navitas minning? are there some profit of it? or they just want to swell their negative standings with a false combat history? All of this is happening between 0.5 and 0.2. Thanks for all ;)
Lifewire	Posted - 2006.03.17 10:18:00 - [2] I guess they wanted your stuff - even if it was not much Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/ Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
Lady Ariness	Posted - 2006.03.17 10:25:00 - [3] I know some of my corpmates kill anything they see but I tend to attack Cruisers and bigger (and industrials and barges because they have nice loot). Sometimes I might attack a Destroyer but I won't go out of my way to hunt for one
Ginaz	Posted - 2006.03.17 10:45:00 - [4] Probably they dont fit their ships with tech2 and expensive named stuff. And, sorry, some pirates are just pvp noobs since they snipe and gank way to often. Not many do the old fashion belt pirating, and only a few gather and fight back if some small anti pirate gang hunts them. And, of course, a properly fitted BC will win most fights against cruisers, intys and AFs. - Veto. ftw!
Sicex	Posted - 2006.03.17 11:05:00 - [5] No hard feelings, its just the aim of the game... We kill everything we see. Good loot, bad loot, soon to be our loot. Older characters mean better chance for better loot, younger players mean an easy kill so we grab whatever they have. Either way, the pilots gonna die.
Lady Ariness	Posted - 2006.03.17 11:27:00 - [6] Originally by: Ginaz And, of course, a properly fitted BC will win most fights against cruisers, intys and AFs. If it weren't for the usage of stabs most pirates I've fought seem to be fitting these days. Seriously, I find more pirates with stabs than NPCers/Miners.
Kenob Malebranche	Posted - 2006.03.17 11:34:00 - [7] Originally by: Sicex No hard feelings, its just the aim of the game... We kill everything we see. Good loot, bad loot, soon to be our loot. Older characters mean better chance for better loot, younger players mean an easy kill so we grab whatever they have. Either way, the pilots gonna die. Well, i just mean that a pirate with 2 years old playing may be have things better to do that kill navitas and run on 1v1 combats with noobs like me I just thing that the "pirate terror" is a mith and the only terrified people are the noobs with navitas mining because there are a lot of pirates of "kill on sight" no matter if he is a 1 day noob with navitas, if u did it on other games all the people will laught on u but here i thing they are proud to do this . I dont know pirates in 0.0 but i hope they are more serious than their empire brothers. See u
Kenob	Posted - 2006.03.17 11:36:00 - [8] up message is mine sorry for post with mi other player.
Shaemell Buttleson	Posted - 2006.03.17 12:06:00 - [9] Sorry Kenob but the way you talk makes me want the base skills for getting into the bigger ships even more now. In 18 days from scratch a Caldari player can fly a raven and in a month he can tank it and fire cruise as well. Do you honestly think that because a month old player who can chase off an inti in this is something special? Same with BC pilots as well. I also think alot of the pirates and pvp'ers in 0.0 and low sec are lame as well but I think noob players who spank their monkeys in the forums just coz they can fly a big ship are just as bad!
Dark Eulogy	Posted - 2006.03.17 12:09:00 - [10] for fun
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.03.17 12:11:00 - [11] To the OP: Pirates often get bored and will gank anything they see... pirating can be suprisingly dull, especially when targets are not all that common. Also, new players fit the craziest things to their ships sometimes, including valuable modules they may have picked up from NPC'ing but don't realise the true value of. It seems you are enjoying anti-pirating at the moment, so why not stick to that path, kill a few more, and hone your PvP skills - you have a fun game ahead of you :) ------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting. See this thread for further details. www.eve-iss.com
Lady Ariness	Posted - 2006.03.17 12:12:00 - [12] Originally by: Shaemell Buttleson Sorry Kenob but the way you talk makes me want the base skills for getting into the bigger ships even more now. In 18 days from scratch a Caldari player can fly a raven and in a month he can tank it and fire cruise as well. Do you honestly think that because a month old player who can chase off an inti in this is something special? Same with BC pilots as well. I also think alot of the pirates and pvp'ers in 0.0 and low sec are lame as well but I think noob players who spank their monkeys in the forums just coz they can fly a big ship are just as bad! What's stopping the pirates from flying a big ship too? Anyway, I think your missing the point here, the OP is talking about why pirates attack ships which will have little to no loot and a rubbish ransom value - the bit about him killing was just part of the introduction. And anyway, 2 months and in a BC isn't nearly the same as 18 days and in a Raven, is it now...
Na'Thuul	Posted - 2006.03.17 12:16:00 - [13] Quote: I also think alot of the pirates and pvp'ers in 0.0 and low sec are lame as well but I think noob players who spank their monkeys in the forums just coz they can fly a big ship are just as bad! swashbucklers dasn't spank the'r monkeys, they keelhaul the'r wee shipmates
Verone	Posted - 2006.03.17 12:19:00 - [14] Originally by: Kenob Hi all, Im a 2 months player of EVE and i have now a BC Cyclone, i have made run a lot of times pirates of 2 years, in cruisiers or tech II frigates, they normally stay to fight and they normally run (or explode) and go for others 2 years players and come back for u... normally i say in local GF ;) or something similar but most times they dont answer, i can imagine why, but i thing they could have a better ways to loose, and my question is, what percentage of kills of a pirate is "poor minners with navitas" or ships like this? because if u face them and they are not a gang of 2 or 3 at least is very easy make them run, of course i cant face 2 years players with BS but all other ships are easy to take normally, is really the piracy the university of PvP? or the real university is the pirate hunting? (Im not a pirate hunter, i just defend my self and my corp of them). Why pirates of 2 years kill noobs with navitas minning? are there some profit of it? or they just want to swell their negative standings with a false combat history? All of this is happening between 0.5 and 0.2. Thanks for all ;) I beleive a few members of my corp have had run-ins with yours in game, generally we just hit a belt, kill or attempt to kill what's there and leave. On several occasions I can distinctly remember members of your corp hurling abuse at members of mine, regarding out of game family members, of a sexually related nature, yourself included after you've left a belt with your Cyclone's lowslots full of WCS. Now, I'm not condoning the use of WCS, they did their job, and helped you get away, good thinking by you to use them. The abuse in local is what causes the problem. When it gets out of hand in local, and people start hitting you with out of character abuse, it can ruffle feathers sometimes if people are sensitive. You need to realise that you're in low security space. I applaud you for making the effort to come out and base yourselves there at such a young age, but remember to be respectful to the people you fight. People will try to kill you out there, and you need to be preprared to run or defend yourself. Our members have pretty thick skin, so we've just let it slide, but be careful your bad language and personal abuse in local doesn't offend someone who is more sensitive. It could cause your corp serious operating problems in lowsec space. VETO MEMBER MOVIES
duffmantt	Posted - 2006.03.17 12:31:00 - [15] Edited by: duffmantt on 17/03/2006 12:33:21 Piracy done by those respectfull to the profession is good. you go out, search some belts, and kill things, sometimes for profit, mostly for fun. But i agree with verone above, im always polite, respecfull and honourable to my victims, but the amount of abuse i have gotten. i have had people tell me i am 'effing dead, and that members of my family will be 'effing dead, its just stupid. Pirates are following their path in the game. if there were no pirates, there wouldent be as much as a new market for new ships, so there wouldent be much of a market for the minerals your mining in low sec. piwats are just a part of the circle of life. I Love Primarch Currently recruiting!
tiller	Posted - 2006.03.17 13:15:00 - [16] Well today I was nice to some guy. I tricked him to fly his 2hr old raven to my new 'tacklepos(tm) of ransomage'. He arrived and then spent the next 45mins talking to me about how he had worked so hard for it. So I let him get out of range of the disruptor and webby batterys and warp away. He was happy, I had this fuzzy warm feeling of niceness. I give him a swift lecture on the dangers of low sec and how not to be here without insurance... After DT he then says in local 'the npc are not so good here'... oh he's now hunting belts. My trusty hauler alt and a corpie in rax locate him, scramble and we kill his uninsured raven and pod. What was he thinking :( click me for free forum smiley tool www.smileypad.com
ArtemisEntreri	Posted - 2006.03.17 14:58:00 - [17] Originally by: tiller Well today I was nice to some guy. I tricked him to fly his 2hr old raven to my new 'tacklepos(tm) of ransomage'. He arrived and then spent the next 45mins talking to me about how he had worked so hard for it. So I let him get out of range of the disruptor and webby batterys and warp away. He was happy, I had this fuzzy warm feeling of niceness. I give him a swift lecture on the dangers of low sec and how not to be here without insurance... After DT he then says in local 'the npc are not so good here'... oh he's now hunting belts. My trusty hauler alt and a corpie in rax locate him, scramble and we kill his uninsured raven and pod. What was he thinking :( People are stupid... You should know that by now
Sharkey	Posted - 2006.03.17 15:07:00 - [18] I actually do feel a slight twinge of guilt if I realise I just ganked a noob in a mining frig or something. But you know, some days are quiet and you take whatever targets you can get. The guilt soon passes
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.03.17 15:10:00 - [19] Originally by: tiller Well today I was nice to some guy. I tricked him to fly his 2hr old raven to my new 'tacklepos(tm) of ransomage'. He arrived and then spent the next 45mins talking to me about how he had worked so hard for it. So I let him get out of range of the disruptor and webby batterys and warp away. He was happy, I had this fuzzy warm feeling of niceness. I give him a swift lecture on the dangers of low sec and how not to be here without insurance... After DT he then says in local 'the npc are not so good here'... oh he's now hunting belts. My trusty hauler alt and a corpie in rax locate him, scramble and we kill his uninsured raven and pod. What was he thinking :( Quite a sad story, really. Still, at least he can consider that a lesson learnt - people can tell you things again and again, but until you watch your first month of in-game mining blow up before your uninsured eyes, it doesnt have quite the same effect. Shame he had to be so stupid though. ------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting. See this thread for further details. www.eve-iss.com
Terminus Shade	Posted - 2006.03.17 15:15:00 - [20] I kill pretty much anything I can find and I'm capable of killing.. Good targets are pretty scarce, so it's not a miracle if I go around out of boredom and kill anything I see, even if the next target I find is a two weeks old newbie in a cruiser.. I dont understand what some people moan for if I happen to blow them up out of boredom.. HELLOOOO.. It's a game..
Flyer11	Posted - 2006.03.17 15:16:00 - [21] piracy can be come and go in waves.. one minute you make 20mil in trade goods surviving the lovely "loot randomizer.. which should be renamed to s**tdomizer" normally killing local hull expander leaving you wil uber expander 1's but as i say i dont go out my way to kill little frigits minning or destroyers but if i happen to find them then yea i will gank them for the pure fun of it all in all dont matter what ship you fly if the pirates so bored he will gank ya if u have the expensive mods or not Flyer RED-A Member
pshepherd	Posted - 2006.03.17 15:44:00 - [22] Originally by: tiller Well today I was nice to some guy. I tricked him to fly his 2hr old raven to my new 'tacklepos(tm) of ransomage'. He arrived and then spent the next 45mins talking to me about how he had worked so hard for it. How the heck did he miss your alliance name? ============== This is a sig O RLY? - Imaran I've only done 4 hours of Tools for 2D graphics, give me a few weeks and i'll be cool, really.
Shaemell Buttleson	Posted - 2006.03.17 16:41:00 - [23] Originally by: Lady Ariness Originally by: Shaemell Buttleson Sorry Kenob but the way you talk makes me want the base skills for getting into the bigger ships even more now. In 18 days from scratch a Caldari player can fly a raven and in a month he can tank it and fire cruise as well. Do you honestly think that because a month old player who can chase off an inti in this is something special? Same with BC pilots as well. I also think alot of the pirates and pvp'ers in 0.0 and low sec are lame as well but I think noob players who spank their monkeys in the forums just coz they can fly a big ship are just as bad! What's stopping the pirates from flying a big ship too? Anyway, I think your missing the point here, the OP is talking about why pirates attack ships which will have little to no loot and a rubbish ransom value - the bit about him killing was just part of the introduction. And anyway, 2 months and in a BC isn't nearly the same as 18 days and in a Raven, is it now... You think thats all he was talking about? Read his post he was saying how he makes T2 frigates and cruisers run from his battlecruiser! My point on the newer players jumping into Ravens was just to highlight anyone can make an experianced player run even when really new and with little skillpoints. I dont think it's wrong they do it but I'm not going to blow smoke up their 4rses when they boast about it either! You missed the point of his post methinks!
Rift Scorn	Posted - 2006.03.17 17:00:00 - [24] Originally by: Lifewire I guess they wanted your stuff - even if it was not much That pretty much sums it up in a sentence. After i've blown yourself up, i want your stuff, and to watch you blow up; that bits always fun as well. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03!
TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2006.03.17 17:33:00 - [25] Disruption of commerce. We only kill miners because they are a threat to our own industry. Its not just about the killing sometimes even piwates have politics as well.
Lady Ariness	Posted - 2006.03.17 20:09:00 - [26] Originally by: Shaemell Buttleson Edited by: Shaemell Buttleson on 17/03/2006 16:46:10 Originally by: Lady Ariness Originally by: Shaemell Buttleson Sorry Kenob but the way you talk makes me want the base skills for getting into the bigger ships even more now. In 18 days from scratch a Caldari player can fly a raven and in a month he can tank it and fire cruise as well. Do you honestly think that because a month old player who can chase off an inti in this is something special? Same with BC pilots as well. I also think alot of the pirates and pvp'ers in 0.0 and low sec are lame as well but I think noob players who spank their monkeys in the forums just coz they can fly a big ship are just as bad! What's stopping the pirates from flying a big ship too? Anyway, I think your missing the point here, the OP is talking about why pirates attack ships which will have little to no loot and a rubbish ransom value - the bit about him killing was just part of the introduction. And anyway, 2 months and in a BC isn't nearly the same as 18 days and in a Raven, is it now... You think thats all he was talking about? Read his post he was saying how he makes T2 frigates and cruisers run from his battlecruiser! My point on the newer players jumping into Ravens was just to highlight anyone can make an experianced player run even when really new and with little skillpoints. I dont think it's wrong they do it but I'm not going to blow smoke up their 4rses when they boast about it either! Verone understood the point of his post and told him to be more respectfull because basicly he read it carefully and didnt just scimm through it so he could try and criticise any replies and look clever. You missed the point of his post methinks! Again, I believe it's you who has missed the point. The OP talked about chasing them off, but that wasn't his point of discussion. Verone was simply talking about the OP's conduct ingame - nothing to do really with the post (although he structured it rather than simply insulting the OP as you seem to be doing)
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2006.03.17 20:40:00 - [27] Originally by: Kenob Hi all, Im a 2 months player of EVE and i have now a BC Cyclone, i have made run a lot of times pirates of 2 years, in cruisiers or tech II frigates, they normally stay to fight and they normally run (or explode) and go for others 2 years players and come back for u... normally i say in local GF ;) or something similar but most times they dont answer, i can imagine why, but i thing they could have a better ways to loose, and my question is, what percentage of kills of a pirate is "poor minners with navitas" or ships like this? because if u face them and they are not a gang of 2 or 3 at least is very easy make them run, of course i cant face 2 years players with BS but all other ships are easy to take normally, is really the piracy the university of PvP? or the real university is the pirate hunting? (Im not a pirate hunter, i just defend my self and my corp of them). Why pirates of 2 years kill noobs with navitas minning? are there some profit of it? or they just want to swell their negative standings with a false combat history? All of this is happening between 0.5 and 0.2. Thanks for all ;) First of all you answered your own question in your post...You asked if all pirates ever kill is mining navitas, but you already mentioned that they attack your big bad cyclone. Now it stands to reason that if they are attacking your battlecruiser in an interceptor that they have also attacked other people too, so getting to this logically it also makes sense that they have killed other battlecruisers and cruisers in their intys. Lets also face facts here and that is the vast majority of people in low sec empire are not mining, they are in combat ships....so pulling the old "pirates only attack navitas miners" is pretty sad. The reason why pirates dont speak to you afterwards is probably down to what Verone was talking about and thats your attitude towards others. Im not really sure about the rest of your post, I think it might be better off in ideas forum or ships and modules if you think your cyclone is too good and needs to be nerfed because you believe a lone inty pilot should be able to kill you. [And Wrangler > j00 -Eldo ~~I pwnt Wrangler - Tenacha~~
Shaemell Buttleson	Posted - 2006.03.17 21:34:00 - [28] Edited by: Shaemell Buttleson on 17/03/2006 21:41:13 Lady you don't think he was condescending about people who can't take his BC in an inti or cruiser then fine. I however did and found him to be too sure of himself as others have when he or his mates mouthed on in local etc. I feel he is doing this now in the forum. Sure he goes on about poor miners in small T1 frigs etc but he seems to think thats all respected well known pirates are capable of because a few have got away from his BC. If he and you really think this then good but most players won't! And I really don't think you or your Corp members believe that for a minute. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this won't we.
Azlana	Posted - 2006.03.17 21:43:00 - [29] Well I guess there are two main reasons for piracy. Career pirates are in it for the money and sometimes a roll play aspect. To such pirates any ship is a target, and the more guaranteed their chances of victory the better. Maybe you were a target of opportunity, pirates don't get targets so regulary that they can pass up on a small ship ontil something jucier comes along. I expect that some of the more honerable pirates leave newbie ships along, but that is at their discretion since it is a PVP game afterall. PVP lovers often engage in piracy, but their real motive is the thrill of combat. I don't see anything particualary exciting about destroying a tech 1 frigate fitted with mining gear, so the guys who ganked you probably belonged to the first catagory. Some people would add a third catagory - griefers, but to be honest I think the percentage of players who pay for a sub just to **** other people off is so low that it doesnt make an impact on the number of pirates in the game. Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'noob' at will to old ladies. There is a pestilence upon this land. Nothing is sacred.
Malka Badi'a	Posted - 2006.03.17 21:53:00 - [30] Quote: Some people would add a third catagory - griefers, but to be honest I think the percentage of players who pay for a sub just to **** other people off is so low that it doesnt make an impact on the number of pirates in the game. w00t. Long live the griefers and murderers in this game. --------------

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