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Be4st
Vengance Inc.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.06 05:04:00 -
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So... I have been hearing alot about this new YouTube Copyright BS and how they may (and I stress 'MAY') black out ALL gaming footage. How is this going to affect PvPers that upload their solo/fleet fights? Will CCP allow game content? From what I gather, all content that has even a hint of Nintendo-related stuff have been removed unless they pay a hefty amount to YouTube. If the law for this gets passed, will CCP tell YouTube they don't give a crap if their footage is shown or will they try and get a bit of cash like some of the other game publishers are? |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
475
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Posted - 2014.01.06 05:42:00 -
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It all depends on how it mingles with the IP laws (intellectual property). A company has to protect their IP, if they fail to do so, they loose all rights on it, allowing anyone to profit from it, including people who just use it to scam.
So if this laws treats it as 'IP must be defended or loose it' deal, it's bad news. Maybe some sort of solution can be found by forcing people to put a disclaimer at each youtube vid they post about eve (genre *I am not afflifiated with CCP games in any way, bla bla bla*
But someone with better knowlegde on this matter can correct/improve on what I said
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Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative
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Posted - 2014.01.06 05:48:00 -
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Be4st wrote:So... I have been hearing alot about this new YouTube Copyright BS and how they may (and I stress 'MAY') black out ALL gaming footage. How is this going to affect PvPers that upload their solo/fleet fights? Will CCP allow game content? From what I gather, all content that has even a hint of Nintendo-related stuff have been removed unless they pay a hefty amount to YouTube. If the law for this gets passed, will CCP tell YouTube they don't give a crap if their footage is shown or will they try and get a bit of cash like some of the other game publishers are?
If they are smart they wouldnt care.
Nintendo, SE, and pretty much every American company, have huge issues with "copyright" and "IP Rights" like its some sort of huge **** waving contest and their afraid if they dont wave it around people will see how small it is.
CCP is endowed with viking sized appendages, so they dont need to worry, and can be chill-bros about gameplay videos.
On a more serious note, its complciated, there are several places i do believe, companies are required by LAW to ban the use of ALL IP materials by anyone but themselves or risk losing their IP rights, not sure if CCP is affected by similar laws where they operate.
at the end of the day, as long as allowing us to use gameplay videos wont negatively affect them from a legal standing, banning videos on youtube can only hurt them, as we will see it extend to all forms of online video/twitch, effectively making "action battle reports" illegal. So if they can be cool-bro, they'll be cool-bro.
So if i got a little redundant here or there, i apologize, its early AM's, coffee is still brewing, and i have managed to avoid all manner of sleep in favor of tvtropes |
Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet
A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2356
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Posted - 2014.01.06 05:58:00 -
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Be4st wrote:So... I have been hearing alot about this new YouTube Copyright BS and how they may (and I stress 'MAY') black out ALL gaming footage. How is this going to affect PvPers that upload their solo/fleet fights? Will CCP allow game content? From what I gather, all content that has even a hint of Nintendo-related stuff have been removed unless they pay a hefty amount to YouTube. If the law for this gets passed, will CCP tell YouTube they don't give a crap if their footage is shown or will they try and get a bit of cash like some of the other game publishers are?
Your second question needs to be asked before the first one, because there is an answer to that, rendering the other one moot anyway. CCP have stated in the past that they love seeing what players concoct on YouTube, and frequently show off player-created videos containing EVE and DUST footage on Facebook, Twitter, and elsewhere.
As for whether or not CCP makes money off this footage, that's entirely up to them. If you're making money off their intellectual property, that's also entirely up to them. But I have a non-monetized channel myself and plenty of EVE content of it, and not once, ever, has one of them had a copyright claim made against it. Not one. Additionally, I've never heard of a copyright claim made against an EVE or DUST video on YouTube.
However, this does not change the problems with YouTube, and a number of my other videos from other games, particularly Lucasarts games, HAVE experienced claims, even though they're not even monetized. The Let's Play videos aside (because let's face it, they provide free access to almost all the content of any given game for anyone to peruse, free of charge, which I consider a good thing but also debatable where copyright law is concerned), YouTube has taken the automated content ID system a little too far.
I, for one, have transfered all videos with copyright claims taken against them to DailyMotion. Not as popular, but gathering momentum. I've never had a copyright claim taken against a video uploaded there.
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Lynka Minx
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.06 05:58:00 -
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also the youtube videos are a goldmine for advertising the game. nothing better than getting pumped watching vids like clear skies or rooks n kings. or the clips of the mammoth fleet battles between alliances to showcase EVE in a way that even CCPs
advertising can't.
if this is taken down there are going to be a lot of sad panda's out there missing out on the eve experience as shown by the players. |
Graabeerd Khagah
ImaNicePirate.com
Ideal Society
13
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Posted - 2014.01.06 07:17:00 -
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Considering all of the facts that I have gathered I am pretty appalled myself about Youtube (Google) and the rights we have as people to display our gaming experiences, we still have the copy rights to our videos as owners and we can keep that as far as I know. If I set my copy rights as a Creative Commons License to which I have then that gives me rights that Youtube can't violate.
Even if I used videos from the past which are now seriously outdated I still have the license to protect my works along with the IP owner as well. This covers us both as the owner and myself are covered under the laws of the US, and there's nothing that Youtube (Google) can do about it.
FLY RECKLESS |
Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative
973
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Posted - 2014.01.06 09:05:00 -
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Graabeerd Khagah wrote:Considering all of the facts that I have gathered I am pretty appalled myself about Youtube (Google) and the rights we have as people to display our gaming experiences, we still have the copy rights to our videos as owners and we can keep that as far as I know. If I set my copy rights as a Creative Commons License to which I have then that gives me rights that Youtube can't violate. Even if I used videos from the past which are now seriously outdated I still have the license to protect my works along with the IP owner as well. This covers us both as the owner and myself are covered under the laws of the US, and there's nothing that Youtube (Google) can do about it. FLY RECKLESS
depedning on your country, your rights can be invalidated at any time by someone with more money than you. so, if uploading game footage from a game, be cautious, if your account on youtube is banned, dont fight it, youll just dig a deeper hole. hell, even under US law, there are several stupid little things a company can do to claim you cant have protection over their specific videos/content, especially true for any game you had to make an account or agree to an EULA/ToS to play, especiallyX2 is that company isnt even a US company.
On that note, capitalist-democracies, working out great, aint they? |
Othran
Route One
676
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Posted - 2014.01.06 09:26:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:On that note, capitalist-democracies, working out great, aint they?
They're working out better than communist dictatorships, theocracies or "the cult of Putin"  |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
403
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Posted - 2014.01.06 10:10:00 -
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CCP allows and encourages the uploading of game footage and allows monetization of said footage. Only source I have is a support ticket which I will not be posting here.
Edit: Actually am I allowed to post those? 
My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Katran Luftschreck
Stillwater Corporation
2146
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Posted - 2014.01.06 10:28:00 -
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Be4st wrote:... or will they try and get a bit of cash like some of the other game publishers are?
That's a rhetorical question.
"CCP legal permission to post three (3) YouTube videos, now only 1 PLEX!"
Nariya Kentaya wrote:depedning on your country, your rights can be invalidated at any time by someone with more money than you.
This is true. The USA is a prime example.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
8125
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Posted - 2014.01.06 10:36:00 -
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CCP has already given permission to post videos of gameplay (and even monetize them). You're okay.
My EVE Videos |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
192
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Posted - 2014.01.06 10:39:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Edit: Actually am I allowed to post those?
no you are not
If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
Boarderline Cartel
1648
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Posted - 2014.01.06 12:45:00 -
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Be4st wrote:So... I have been hearing alot about this new YouTube Copyright BS and how they may (and I stress 'MAY') black out ALL gaming footage.
Well they fail to realize that when they become completely useless because of self censorship, people will find "other" sites to post their stuff and Youtube will become ancient history. The internet will (usually) always be one step ahead. Information wants to be free. |
Bloodmyst Ranwar
Dark Miresa
19
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Posted - 2014.01.06 15:01:00 -
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Just saying, all this "Red tape" youtube seems to be putting on their site seems to be getting a bit over-the-top. If they keep going the way they are, I can see the site eventually dying out.... Only a matter of time. |
BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury
Tactical Narcotics Team
391
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Posted - 2014.01.06 15:04:00 -
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Jandice Ymladris wrote:It all depends on how it mingles with the IP laws (intellectual property). A company has to protect their IP, if they fail to do so, they loose all rights on it, allowing anyone to profit from it, including people who just use it to scam.
So if this laws treats it as 'IP must be defended or loose it' deal, it's bad news. Maybe some sort of solution can be found by forcing people to put a disclaimer at each youtube vid they post about eve (genre *I am not afflifiated with CCP games in any way, bla bla bla*
But someone with better knowlegde on this matter can correct/improve on what I said
You know nothing about copyright. No such thing as "use it or loose it" when it comes to copyright in the US, Europe or most of the world for that matter.
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TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises
Almost Awesome.
89
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Posted - 2014.01.06 15:13:00 -
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Recently Youtube flipped the switch and turned on a bot that scans videos for copyrighted materials and submits a complaint on behalf of the copyright owner.
So far, from what i have been reading about this issue on other sites, is that the videos in question are getting Ad Revenue from Youtube. Last I knew is that CCP does not allow anyone to make their youtube videos generate income of any sort and would violate the EULA.
Also, most of the content being blocked it because of music. If people use custom music, there seems to be few issues, but somethings are still being blocked based on the video content. |
Mangala Solaris
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
831
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Posted - 2014.01.06 15:32:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:CCP allows and encourages the uploading of game footage and allows monetization of said footage. Only source I have is a support ticket which I will not be posting here. Edit: Actually am I allowed to post those?
You can monetize:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4010976#post4010976
Mangala Undocked |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
192
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Posted - 2014.01.06 15:49:00 -
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most of the youtube shanking has been done via an automated system with regards 3rd party content the publishers ,nor the dev studios have the rights to i.e. the music and or clips from movies and tv shows (possibly big name voice acting also but im unsure).
in the case of music , its usually licensed for the publisher to monetise via the game they used it in but for any sort of machinema or independent content you simply shouldn't have it in there.
Trailers fall into this as well
same goes for fmv's, its all rather convoluted but with something like eve you shouldn't have any issues,
and if you do , there are ground for you to contest it as ccp endorse content produced from eve/dust and id imagine Valkyrie.
If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Mia Restolo
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
146
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Posted - 2014.01.06 16:30:00 -
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On top of the music problems, there's also quite a few publishers that have been pushing to lock down streaming and videos so they can monetize that themselves.
Many professional/semi-pro players are actually making decent income off streaming and making videos, especially off RTS and DOTA style games. The game publishers feel they deserve a cut.
There's also the publishers that use copyright to remove bad reviews. Its amazing how clearly game bugs and flaws can be demonstrated on a youtube review.
Luckily CCP seem to like the publicity. |
Treborr MintingtonJr
Quantum Reality R n D
Spaceship Samurai
126
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Posted - 2014.01.06 16:41:00 -
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Would be funny if the only game videos left on YouTube were EvE Online videos. |
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