So your argument is NOT that gankers prevent you from having fun but that they prevent you from maximizing ISK/hr?

Brilliant!

There's nothing telling them in the NPE "by the way, it's possible for someone to bump you for several hours causing you to be completely unable to align ore move, and it's fully within the rules".

No, miners should have better inherant protections in highsec meaning their chances of surviving an attack are better without having to replace mining equipment with defensive equipment.

in fact, it would benefit the game.

I get it already, subtly and metaphor is something you have no knowledge or undertanding of


Im not about to explain to you what the other 98% of humanity can understand easily

There's a whole bunch of stuff not included in the NPE. The reason for that is to not overwhelm new players with information about things they don't know or care about. That tends to turn people off games pretty quickly.

nonsense. Nobody I've seen here is trying to change the game to their liking.

If it would cost the ganker extra time repping back up to execute the gank, they would think twice unless the cargo is particularly tasty. Or, if the window to enact the kill were reduced in half, again, the target would have to be a lot more tasty before they pulled the trigger.

Yup no one suggesting changes to their liking here >.<

lol Whatever you want buddy. You spewed a bunch of nonsense and now want to claim I just don't understand. Whatever allows you to stroke your epeen.

You didn't explain anything. You simply stated you tell newbies a story which is of no real relevance to their situation..

Modest changes to highsec? That is NOT what you want. You want it to be safe. It's not. Get over it.

Well clearly, they DO care about it.

They pop level 1 mission runners

Angelica, that's the issue being debated: How the game works. I believe the game will continue to work and be fun for everyone were the 'security' in highsec increased a little by changing the formula gankers use to determine targets. The gankers would need to adjust to the new reality, and they will always have targets, but they will have to be a little more discriminate. A side effect of this could also be that the loot get's better. There is no way in hell I would ever carry a plex around in my cargo hold as it is now. But if it was more secure..........

I may have missed something here, but when exactly did he state he wants complete safety?

I may have missed something here, but when exactly did he state he wants complete safety?

I may have missed something here, but when exactly did he state he wants complete safety?

GRR McCandless beat me to it. LOL

And no, generally the AFK ones don't care about the bumping, since they are AFK

The ones that generally tend to get targeted are relatively new and inexperienced.

As has just been pointed out, games must evolve, or they die. I'd like to see the game evolve to where it is more friendly to PvE layers, while preserving PvP activites (and ganking).

I'd put in-game penalties in place the punish people who get caught scamming.

Found it!

This is why minerbumping exists.

This is why ganking exists.

This is why mining permits exist.

Because a small minority of can't be bothered to fit my ship properly, AFKing, whining, carebear, PvE enthusiast players continue to demand "one more nerf".

Honestly, I have no problem with a miner who chooses not to fit their ship properly.

I have no problem with a miner that chooses to AFK while mining.

I have no problem with PvE enthusiasts being a PvE enthusiast myself.

I have a cataclysmically huge problem with people complaining because the mechanics, while they generally fit every persons playstyle, don't ALWAYS fit every persons playstyle. That that guy over theres playstyle is interfering with YOUR playstyle. And in those ever present and ever self-indulged threads, they demand in one helpless, alone, and vulnerable voice, "One more nerf!"

The gankers would need to adjust to the new reality

and they will always have targets

Angelica, that's the issue being debated: How the game works. I believe the game will continue to work and be fun for everyone were the 'security' in highsec increased a little by changing the formula gankers use to determine targets. The gankers would need to adjust to the new reality, and they will always have targets, but they will have to be a little more discriminate. A side effect of this could also be that the loot get's better. There is no way in hell I would ever carry a plex around in my cargo hold as it is now. But if it was more secure..........

I assure you they're often quite mad when they get back to the keyboard, ranting, pleading for someone else to do something about it and making RL death threats in local.



Wow. You just keep on making things up, don't you? You have no idea just how many of us are newbie-friendly and target older players as a result. There's no real satisfaction in making a new player cry, but someone who's been playing for years and should have a clue how to avoid us (ie: noobs)? Those tears are delicious.

You run a fleet and they don't bother, since they can't bump all of you.

High sec "pirates" are just cowards who are afraid of real pvp and there is no reason they should get special treatment.

So what does that make all the whiny brats demanding nerfs?