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Jaeuhl	Posted - 2006.03.21 17:55:00 - [31] Some ships are good for pvp, some ships are for pve, some ships are good for both...some better than others. All ships have a function even if it is just for collection, but AF's are definately not pointless or just hangar candy.
Zhon	Posted - 2006.03.21 18:55:00 - [32] That is not a bad tank setup but this one is better. x4 125mm II's x1 Arb standard launcher x1 Gisti a-TYPE, x1 em II PAssive hardner, x1 Web, x1 Medium shield ext. II X2 Power Diag's II When all is said an done it get over 70 shields each boost (includingf passive regen) hasw 2144 shields and 50%/60%/70%/80% resistances with em compensation to 5. with tech 2 spike ammo can hit out to 50 km. Its a great ship.
Baun	Posted - 2006.03.21 19:36:00 - [33] AFs are awesome anti-tackler ships. Unfortunately they are only useful for this in smallish engagements where range makes it hard for larger and better anti-tackler ships (like the Eagle) to kill interceptors. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.21 19:58:00 - [34] Edited by: Zysco on 21/03/2006 19:59:05 Yes. AFs are pointless. They dont have the firepower or hitpoints of a cruiser and dont have the sig or speed of an inty. They are pretty much the bastard children of eve. They have no role in pvp. Although in PvE they are great. callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back
Nidhoggur	Posted - 2006.03.21 20:21:00 - [35] Originally by: smallgreenblur Generalisations ftl Ok my claw has over 1.2k armor, so not exactly paper, and is perfectly capable of (and has) taking on afs at close range. It all, of course, depends on setup. Mid - long range af vs close range inty, my money's on the inty. sgb So basically, you've ruined your signature radius?
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.03.21 20:21:00 - [36] Originally by: ChalSto Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Im fairly confidant my Retribution will tank any sole intercepter that wants to engage it. If it sits in a long range orbit I probably wont kill it.... but I can just tank the mofo all the way to the nearest gate/station And I stand by the above guys comment, Lose an Af to an inty and you should be banned. Alliaanna hehe....agreed And Ishkur is the nightmare of all ceptors........ Ceptor-Pilot: "Ahh......an af....hehe.....! ............................10s later -> Ceptor-Pilot: "ARGH.......T2-Warriors........ARGH!!!!" My 2 cents about ceptors them things hurt like hell ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2006.03.21 20:36:00 - [37] Originally by: Nidhoggur So basically, you've ruined your signature radius? Armor plates add mass, shield extenders add sig, and not even a lot of sig (think a med extender 2 adds 7 to sig). A dirty job - Released 2006.01.02
Nidhoggur	Posted - 2006.03.21 20:53:00 - [38] Originally by: Ras Blumin Originally by: Nidhoggur So basically, you've ruined your signature radius? Armor plates add mass, shield extenders add sig, and not even a lot of sig (think a med extender 2 adds 7 to sig). Good point, mixed those two up...
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.03.21 20:55:00 - [39] Originally by: Zhon WEll if you want to compare Eve-Dongs my harpy has 2144 shields a 8.5 shields per sec passive recharge 50%/60%/70%/80%. I have a gisti A-type SB with my skills and natural shield regen I can boost for over 70 shields ber run. I have 4x 125mm II and a standard launcher with a web. Nothing short of a retrubution (Purly because of it damage type) or cruiser has broken my tank. Bottum line = your claw dead and you wouldnt be the first claw to die to it. Comparing AF's to cepter is like comparing a Hummber to a F-150 in term of durabilty and firepower. Yep, that setup can usually withstand an interceptor attack very well. Of course, I did nail one of those setups...but I needed a special fitting to do it (hint: neuts are fun!) which didn't directly confront the tank and the fight started at 10km. Digital Communist> The Jin-Mei are probably more profficient in training for Tofu and Noodles than Spaceship Command
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.03.21 21:09:00 - [40] I'm saying that even WITH the faction mod, 1v1 a ceptor can still figure out a way to win. In a 2v2, my setup would have been worthless. AF's are group ships, plain and simple. Digital Communist> The Jin-Mei are probably more profficient in training for Tofu and Noodles than Spaceship Command
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.21 21:09:00 - [41] Edited by: Zysco on 21/03/2006 21:08:58 Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: Zhon WEll if you want to compare Eve-Dongs my harpy has 2144 shields a 8.5 shields per sec passive recharge 50%/60%/70%/80%. I have a gisti A-type SB with my skills and natural shield regen I can boost for over 70 shields ber run. I have 4x 125mm II and a standard launcher with a web. Nothing short of a retrubution (Purly because of it damage type) or cruiser has broken my tank. Bottum line = your claw dead and you wouldnt be the first claw to die to it. Comparing AF's to cepter is like comparing a Hummber to a F-150 in term of durabilty and firepower. Yep, that setup can usually withstand an interceptor attack very well. Of course, I did nail one of those setups...but I needed a special fitting to do it (hint: neuts are fun!) which didn't directly confront the tank and the fight started at 10km. Its also pretty stupid reasoning to say that AFs are good because of an overpowered faction mod. Your harpy will still die to pretty much any cruiser, so congrats? callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.21 21:23:00 - [42] Originally by: Maya Rkell I'm saying that even WITH the faction mod, 1v1 a ceptor can still figure out a way to win. In a 2v2, my setup would have been worthless. AF's are group ships, plain and simple. Oh I know, and I'm agreeing with you. My comment was directed at the guy saying "AFs are uber because my harpy uses a gistii booster." callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.03.21 21:32:00 - [43] Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: Zhon WEll if you want to compare Eve-Dongs my harpy has 2144 shields a 8.5 shields per sec passive recharge 50%/60%/70%/80%. I have a gisti A-type SB with my skills and natural shield regen I can boost for over 70 shields ber run. I have 4x 125mm II and a standard launcher with a web. Nothing short of a retrubution (Purly because of it damage type) or cruiser has broken my tank. Bottum line = your claw dead and you wouldnt be the first claw to die to it. Comparing AF's to cepter is like comparing a Hummber to a F-150 in term of durabilty and firepower. Yep, that setup can usually withstand an interceptor attack very well. Of course, I did nail one of those setups...but I needed a special fitting to do it (hint: neuts are fun!) which didn't directly confront the tank and the fight started at 10km. a hawk can do better afaik... ....won't be able to kill an inty tho ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
Laythun	Posted - 2006.03.21 21:45:00 - [44] Originally by: Zysco Edited by: Zysco on 21/03/2006 19:59:05 Yes. AFs are pointless. They dont have the firepower or hitpoints of a cruiser and dont have the sig or speed of an inty. They are pretty much the bastard children of eve. They have no role in pvp. Although in PvE they are great. hush noob. you no nothing of the glory on AF's you know how many solo kills i had in mine in the FIX war! --------------------------------------------- If im flaming or not contributing im sorry, but im trying to get into th [23]
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.21 21:50:00 - [45] Originally by: Laythun Originally by: Zysco Edited by: Zysco on 21/03/2006 19:59:05 Yes. AFs are pointless. They dont have the firepower or hitpoints of a cruiser and dont have the sig or speed of an inty. They are pretty much the bastard children of eve. They have no role in pvp. Although in PvE they are great. hush noob. you no nothing of the glory on AF's you know how many solo kills i had in mine in the FIX war! how many retris did you lose though? callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back
Grainsalt	Posted - 2006.03.21 22:37:00 - [46] I think the Harpy is the THE best ship I have used so far for 0.0 ratting at least. Mainly becuase it can take out everything from a inty to a BS (Dont believe me? click the link below).. If it is set up correctly then you are good. I personally use 4 t2 150m's and a arby rocket laucnher in high and even have 2 warp core stabs on (its a pve ship fitting not pvp).. Well worth the time invested. Linky ... Click for image Good luck BabyBlue:- "I propose CCP make USB powered genital electrodes compulsory for pod pilots, activated when hull < 5%. "
Farwinter	Posted - 2006.03.21 22:40:00 - [47] Possibly worth reminding (not specific to any reply) people about the jaguar's (minm af) speed boost being introduced.
Zhon	Posted - 2006.03.21 22:58:00 - [48] Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: Zhon WEll if you want to compare Eve-Dongs my harpy has 2144 shields a 8.5 shields per sec passive recharge 50%/60%/70%/80%. I have a gisti A-type SB with my skills and natural shield regen I can boost for over 70 shields ber run. I have 4x 125mm II and a standard launcher with a web. Nothing short of a retrubution (Purly because of it damage type) or cruiser has broken my tank. Bottum line = your claw dead and you wouldnt be the first claw to die to it. Comparing AF's to cepter is like comparing a Hummber to a F-150 in term of durabilty and firepower. Yep, that setup can usually withstand an interceptor attack very well. Of course, I did nail one of those setups...but I needed a special fitting to do it (hint: neuts are fun!) which didn't directly confront the tank and the fight started at 10km. Sounds like a fun fight i still dont think you would win even with a neut on (assuming it is just one). I think you would be dead long before you could suck the cap out of my ship and or beat through 2144 resisted shields. So i doubt you went against the same setup. And to that guy that is talking about the faction mod I just got the gisti a-type and was useing a C5-L before. I havnt actually used the ship since putting it on so my setup was uber before i got it thanks you very much. Faction mods dont make the ship. I am fully aware that if you know what you are facing there is a counter to it, but rarly do you get the option to outfit specifically for your opponent. If you fit a neut smart thinking on your part.
DeadDuck	Posted - 2006.03.21 23:06:00 - [49] Originally by: Dark Shikari The use of the AF is as a money sink. They're more expensive than interceptors, so it hurts my enemy more when I kill them. True ... I' m done with AF's
Barek Ironfist	Posted - 2006.03.21 23:27:00 - [50] I Love AF's. Bar interdictors, they're the only small ships i have, and will ever fly. With a properly fitted setup you can take on and kill up to a cruiser 1 on 1. And with the right situation and gear can take on up to 2 interceptors by you're self. More if you're flying an ishkur. I find that despite the increasing cost of these ships, they are definately worth using, both for low level missions and for pvp, where in groups they give excellent firepower. And solo they can take on multiple weaker targets with no great difficulty. Barek http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/IXC/sig-barek-ascn-forums.jpg
Lord Violent	Posted - 2006.03.21 23:39:00 - [51] Style over substance :) The wolf is one of the best looking ships in the game, yes its pretty pointless as an inty makes a better tackler and a cruiser makes a better anti-support ship. But every so often just once in a while mind you, with 40km range and lots of targets it reminds you why you bought it....other than to look cool :P
Mesasone	Posted - 2006.03.21 23:44:00 - [52] Yeah, they're completely useless. Stop flying them, please. Silly mods, sigs are for wabbits.
LordAmarus	Posted - 2006.03.21 23:50:00 - [53] af pontless? i dun tink so lets compare wolf and claw. wolf can run 4280 t2's + some2 dmg mods or even 3 total dmg mod: 16-17 rof round 5.6 sec burst damage can get upto 300-400 per gun CAN TANK Claw: 3280 t2 + no dmg mods since fitting problems : total dmg mod 19-20 rof 8 sec burst damage can go upto 300-400 CAN NOT TANK
Isonkon Serikain	Posted - 2006.03.22 00:02:00 - [54] Af's are great for pve... They have niche role in pvp, like hunting in wolfpacks when durability is needed... Other than that, for any AF setup, I can think of a t1 cruiser setup that costs half as much and will kill that af... Ison's notches
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2006.03.22 00:13:00 - [55] Originally by: LordAmarus wolf can run 4280 t2's + some2 dmg mods or even 3 total dmg mod: 16-17 rof round 5.6 sec burst damage can get upto 300-400 per gun CAN TANK Claw: 3280 t2 + no dmg mods since fitting problems : total dmg mod 19-20 rof 8 sec burst damage can go upto 300-400 CAN NOT TANK If you're fitting 3 dmg mods and anything in mids, you'll have to fit a co-pro. The claw with a co-pro can fit a similar setup, with 2 gyros and 1 tracking enhancer. You can fit basicly the same tank (modwise) on 280 wolf as you can on 280 claw. If you fit both ships with 280's, wolf will have the least pg left (~13 vs ~15), but the most cpu (~110 vs ~90). A dirty job - Released 2006.01.02
Exuscon	Posted - 2006.03.22 01:03:00 - [56] Originally by: PirateShampoo I swear by Assault Frigs, the wolf is my fav ship and i will nearly always take on any ship except for maybe pilots over a year old. Ive never had problems with a BC and have taken on and won against BC and Caracel 2v1. Of course ur not gonna win against a good bs pilot solo or a t2 cruiser but the as is small and fast so u can pick ur targets. I think a decent destroyer would knock you on your keister.
Palash	Posted - 2006.03.22 02:03:00 - [57] Originally by: Asurix you'll never lose an AF to an inty anyway, if you do you should get banned I have killed every AF in my claw solo with the exception of the Retribution. Granted the Ishkur pilot wasn't the best but Enyos, Wolfs, Jags, Harpys and Hawks don't even present a challenge in most cases. Alot of folks need banned...
Kel Shek	Posted - 2006.03.22 02:24:00 - [58] now I'm no PvPer, so I could be wrong... but from what I've seen flying my Ishkur, I can't see how any solo interceptor could stand up to it if piloted even half competently, unless it was like fitted SPECIFICALLY to counter what the ishkur does. I can't see how it'd be able to lose to a destroyer either. nos, blasters, webber... woohoo! ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2006.03.22 02:26:00 - [59] Originally by: Swethren The problem with inty's is, if you starting take dmg, you get raped pretty quickly. AF's can hold their own due to their tanking ability. What kills an interceptor will kill an AF. The primary defence of both is being small. The interceptor is not confused about that. ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Palash	Posted - 2006.03.22 02:34:00 - [60] Originally by: Kel Shek now I'm no PvPer, so I could be wrong... but from what I've seen flying my Ishkur, I can't see how any solo interceptor could stand up to it if piloted even half competently, unless it was like fitted SPECIFICALLY to counter what the ishkur does. quote] Most people greatly underestimate the tanking ability of a intercepter(Claw) set-up for 1v1 combat.

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