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Sorrento	Posted - 2006.03.18 12:24:00 - [1] I am fairly new and would like a fun ship to aim for and first thought of the Harpy AF, but after reading numerous posts, it now seems a pointless and expensive ship.. 1/ Ferox is cheaper, needs less skills and is far superior in both pvp and pvm ... 2/ Interceptors require around the same skills yet are far superior in pvp.... So, to be blunt, what is the use of the AF ?
Antic	Posted - 2006.03.18 12:32:00 - [2] For small ships speed is the best defence. Thus ceptors shine. Also ceptors strangely enough do nearly the same damage as AFs. So yes they are the superior choise. The use for AF is pretty limited i have found if you compare to the ceptor but its still there if you really want to fly it but AFs are not needed the same way ceptors are. In frigate gangs it can be deadly. And it can hold its own in PvE. In fleets its main use is close anti frigate support to battleships. that is try to take down tacklers for example. but they are too slow to survive compared to ceptors. So my advice would be to train ceptors. Or do both and fly what you feel for at a perticular day. others probably have other opinions though.
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.03.18 12:47:00 - [3] train both. the more the merrier. ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
lofty29	Posted - 2006.03.18 12:53:00 - [4] AF's in PVP are more 'second wave' tacklers. Send in the Inty's / Frigates to lock them down first, then send in an AF to lock them down and be alot harder to kill. Theyre also very good at transporting BPO's, as they're too small to be hit by a gank BS in empire --------------------------- Originally by: Wrangler I see boobies!! \o/
R Dan	Posted - 2006.03.18 13:18:00 - [5] Assault frigates are very tough. much tougher than an interceptor. but not so fast. AF's generally can destroy an int with little trouble and a bunch of them can take down battleships. they are still fast and pound for pound can take down most cruisers single handedly. basiclaly ints and AF's are for different roles. I will save you, but make sure you bring beer - Wrangler and cAKe - Imaran I thought it was bREe, omgi'mgivingawaymodroomsecwetsftl - Cortes when come back ... bring PIE. Me like PIE. -Capsicum
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.03.18 13:20:00 - [6] The use of the AF is as a money sink. They're more expensive than interceptors, so it hurts my enemy more when I kill them. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
PirateShampoo	Posted - 2006.03.18 13:34:00 - [7] I swear by Assault Frigs, the wolf is my fav ship and i will nearly always take on any ship except for maybe pilots over a year old. Ive never had problems with a BC and have taken on and won against BC and Caracel 2v1. Of course ur not gonna win against a good bs pilot solo or a t2 cruiser but the as is small and fast so u can pick ur targets.
captian jackharkness	Posted - 2006.03.18 13:54:00 - [8] 1 stupid inty pilot + 2 webbers + 1 enyo with blasters = dead inty
Colonel Buendia	Posted - 2006.03.18 14:11:00 - [9] Edited by: Colonel Buendia on 18/03/2006 14:10:56 Originally by: captian jackharkness 1 stupid inty pilot + 2 webbers + 1 enyo with blasters = dead inty Why didn't he warp away? Edit: I guess you did say stupid! :p
Asurix	Posted - 2006.03.18 14:13:00 - [10] you'll never lose an AF to an inty anyway, if you do you should get banned
Bazman	Posted - 2006.03.18 14:21:00 - [11] Edited by: Bazman on 18/03/2006 14:21:20 Originally by: Asurix you'll never lose an AF to an inty anyway, if you do you should get banned Actually, its quite possible for an Inty to butt*****any of the 2 mid slot AF's by orbitting the AF at 500m while its webbed, assuming that the AF in question is using long range guns and no webber (Which is typical with the 2 mid slot AF, I see many people going AB + Disrupter instead of Web + Disrupter) An AF pilot that actually fits a webber and warp scram can actually be very, very dangerous to anything in its size class :P ----- Hi TomB! All out Do or Die Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
R31D	Posted - 2006.03.18 14:35:00 - [12] Originally by: Asurix you'll never lose an AF to an inty anyway, if you do you should get banned Go and watch 'Jaegerbomb' Parts 1 & 2. It's by DrunkenOne. You'll like it. Free bumpage for all
Meeko Gloom	Posted - 2006.03.18 15:15:00 - [13] Edited by: Meeko Gloom on 18/03/2006 15:17:53 Originally by: Sorrento I am fairly new and would like a fun ship to aim for and first thought of the Harpy AF, but after reading numerous posts, it now seems a pointless and expensive ship.. 1/ Ferox is cheaper, needs less skills and is far superior in both pvp and pvm ... 2/ Interceptors require around the same skills yet are far superior in pvp.... So, to be blunt, what is the use of the AF ? not true the BC will require more skills than AF, just be u can get into a bc quicker than a Af doesnt not mean you need more skills for a AF. The BS and BC class of ships demand very very high skills to fly correctly. AF are very good for rating and pvp. I think is all about your tastes, if you want to be fast, mobile and yet very deadly get the af. If you want to be a powerhouse get the BC. Interceptors are good ship but they are basicly only for pvp and in my expecinces the AF will pwn one. hope this helped -------------------------- Guns dont Kill People Drones Do
Zhon	Posted - 2006.03.18 15:36:00 - [14] Interceptors and AFs are 2 sides of the same coin. Cepter are ment for either A. First wave tacklers or B. Instalockers Cepter are fast agil and for the most part, if it is a good pilot, impossible to catch. The provde a good respond time with firepower. Assault Frigates are just a slower stronger frigate class. Their purpose is anti frigate/cruiser support. I have never run across an intercepter that could kill my harpy/enyo/ishkur. It just doesnt happen. I have attacked 3v1 and still killed 2 before the last warp out. AF's still have plenty enough speed to gain transversal on a Cruiser or Battleship. As far as the orginal question goes 1. Ferox is big/bulky/horrible locktime and after fitting the appropriate equipment cost far more. In short you wil lget ganked in a ferox. 2 Cepter aren't superior. They only thing they have is speed and lock time. They are thin paper coffins. I rarly use my cepter now unless we are doing a raid or specifcally need to catch something quickly. AF's provide more firepower and durabilty than a cepter handsdown.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.03.18 17:06:00 - [15] Inties are badly outranged by AF's, and cannot mount anything like the same tank. Sure, inties use speed as a defence. This is why where are webbers. Digital Communist> The Jin-Mei are probably more profficient in training for Tofu and Noodles than Spaceship Command
Kai Jyokoroi	Posted - 2006.03.18 17:20:00 - [16] Add to the fact that there is simply no better tank for when dealing with 0.0 spawns, and it's very hard to say it's crap. My Enyo is my prime money making ship. I don't use it so much in pvp though, prefer ceptors Yer ma's nags
Jaeuhl	Posted - 2006.03.18 17:28:00 - [17] So far every AF has been cheaper than a Ferox, though the insurance payout for an AF is nothing compared to that of a BC...that said, it's just fun as hell to fly plus you're m8's always welcome variety when you gang up with them. In both the harpy/hawk, & ferox I've easily solo'd lvl 3's and ganged up for tons of lvl 4's. The results were all fun and effective, and that's really the point. Also AF's are the path to HAC and Command ships.
Detrol	Posted - 2006.03.21 12:32:00 - [18] Originally by: captian jackharkness 1 stupid inty pilot + 2 webbers + 1 enyo with blasters = dead inty Same: 3 afk AF's + 1 inty = dead AF's easily
smallgreenblur	Posted - 2006.03.21 13:09:00 - [19] Originally by: Zhon Assault Frigates are just a slower stronger frigate class. Their purpose is anti frigate/cruiser support. I have never run across an intercepter that could kill my harpy/enyo/ishkur. It just doesnt happen. Cepter aren't superior. They only thing they have is speed and lock time. They are thin paper coffins. I rarly use my cepter now unless we are doing a raid or specifcally need to catch something quickly. AF's provide more firepower and durabilty than a cepter handsdown. Generalisations ftl Ok my claw has over 1.2k armor, so not exactly paper, and is perfectly capable of (and has) taking on afs at close range. It all, of course, depends on setup. Mid - long range af vs close range inty, my money's on the inty. sgb
Alliaanna Dalaii	Posted - 2006.03.21 13:18:00 - [20] Im fairly confidant my Retribution will tank any sole intercepter that wants to engage it. If it sits in a long range orbit I probably wont kill it.... but I can just tank the mofo all the way to the nearest gate/station And I stand by the above guys comment, Lose an Af to an inty and you should be banned. Alliaanna Official Follower of =-= Royal Hiigaran Navy =-=
ChalSto	Posted - 2006.03.21 13:52:00 - [21] Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Im fairly confidant my Retribution will tank any sole intercepter that wants to engage it. If it sits in a long range orbit I probably wont kill it.... but I can just tank the mofo all the way to the nearest gate/station And I stand by the above guys comment, Lose an Af to an inty and you should be banned. Alliaanna hehe....agreed And Ishkur is the nightmare of all ceptors........ Ceptor-Pilot: "Ahh......an af....hehe.....! ............................10s later -> Ceptor-Pilot: "ARGH.......T2-Warriors........ARGH!!!!" My 2 cents about ceptors Current Location: Relax and drinking a beer with Dreez and waiting for TomB¦s Blaster changes
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.03.21 13:54:00 - [22] Edited by: Maya Rkell on 21/03/2006 13:55:00 Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Im fairly confidant my Retribution will tank any sole intercepter that wants to engage it. If it sits in a long range orbit I probably wont kill it.... but I can just tank the mofo all the way to the nearest gate/station And I stand by the above guys comment, Lose an Af to an inty and you should be banned. I can kill Retri's, just usually takes 15+ mins and they usually warp off. Of course, sometimes they don't too! Yes, I'm a Claw pilot. Yes, Claws are uniquely (for an interceptor) able to fight AF's in the hands of a very skilled pilot. I should note that my Inty setup is not precisely cheap to do all this, however. However, Using an AF 1v1 on an inty is a gross misuse of the AF. Ramp it up to 2v2 and beyond and the intys stand no chance. Digital Communist> The Jin-Mei are probably more profficient in training for Tofu and Noodles than Spaceship Command
Zhon	Posted - 2006.03.21 14:04:00 - [23] Edited by: Zhon on 21/03/2006 14:04:59 Originally by: smallgreenblur Originally by: Zhon Assault Frigates are just a slower stronger frigate class. Their purpose is anti frigate/cruiser support. I have never run across an intercepter that could kill my harpy/enyo/ishkur. It just doesnt happen. Cepter aren't superior. They only thing they have is speed and lock time. They are thin paper coffins. I rarly use my cepter now unless we are doing a raid or specifcally need to catch something quickly. AF's provide more firepower and durabilty than a cepter handsdown. Generalisations ftl Ok my claw has over 1.2k armor, so not exactly paper, and is perfectly capable of (and has) taking on afs at close range. It all, of course, depends on setup. Mid - long range af vs close range inty, my money's on the inty. sgb WEll if you want to compare Eve-Dongs my harpy has 2144 shields a 8.5 shields per sec passive recharge 50%/60%/70%/80%. I have a gisti A-type SB with my skills and natural shield regen I can boost for over 70 shields ber run. I have 4x 125mm II and a standard launcher with a web. Nothing short of a retrubution (Purly because of it damage type) or cruiser has broken my tank. Bottum line = your claw dead and you wouldnt be the first claw to die to it. Comparing AF's to cepter is like comparing a Hummber to a F-150 in term of durabilty and firepower.
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2006.03.21 14:12:00 - [24] Originally by: Zhon Bottum line = your claw dead Only if he doesn't warp. A dirty job - Released 2006.01.02
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.03.21 14:17:00 - [25] AFs aren't pointless. They fulfil a role, unfortunately it's a role which crosses too close to what many other ships can do, in slightly different and usually much cheaper ways. I like to call this role "Im small, Im fast, and I do lots of damage". To be perfectly honest, the main reason I have AF 4 is not to fly an AF. There used to be a sig here, but I got bored of it.
Zhon	Posted - 2006.03.21 15:16:00 - [26] Originally by: Ras Blumin Originally by: Zhon Bottum line = your claw dead Only if he doesn't warp. Well yeah But that is what my enyo fried does hehe :)
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.03.21 15:23:00 - [27] Edited by: LUKEC on 21/03/2006 15:24:28 Originally by: Zhon Originally by: Ras Blumin Originally by: Zhon Bottum line = your claw dead Only if he doesn't warp. Well yeah But that is what my enyo fried does hehe :) And his friend brings a thorax(10mil ship) and pwns you both to hell and back :P If you need 2 af to pwn an inty... Oh and tbh, i think that crusader could still make you cry. Originally by: Commander Nikolas People like Lukec are the problem and they know it. Shin Ra's Raven has 4x WCS, Lukec's Dominix has 5x WCS & Ishtar has 2x WCS. Antipiracy is causing brain damage
Zhon	Posted - 2006.03.21 15:33:00 - [28] Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 21/03/2006 15:24:28 Originally by: Zhon Originally by: Ras Blumin Originally by: Zhon Bottum line = your claw dead Only if he doesn't warp. Well yeah But that is what my enyo fried does hehe :) And his friend brings a thorax(10mil ship) and pwns you both to hell and back :P If you need 2 af to pwn an inty... Oh and tbh, i think that crusader could still make you cry. Crusader cant even touch my tank the retribution barly even broke it took like 3-4 min to get hald shields but he would have eventually won seeing how i couldnt break his. As far as needing 2 Af to kil lthe cepter no i wouldnt need someone else to kil lit jstu to make it stay there and if it warp off I could care less. I will take any cepter you have any day of teh weak and either pwn you or make run away like a dog with its tail tucked between its legs. Plain and simple i have done time and tiem again i know i can.
Pettu	Posted - 2006.03.21 16:44:00 - [29] Edited by: Pettu on 21/03/2006 16:45:18 Edited by: Pettu on 21/03/2006 16:44:56 I think Harpy is a fun ship to fly, thought it's not intended to take on inty's solo. In group of 3-4 ppl you can easily fit the Harpy to numberous roles. 1) Instalocker. I¦m getting pretty close to be able to lock down shuttles/intys 100% of the time. LOW: 2x Signal Amp T2 MID: 3x Sensor Booster T2, 1x 20km scrambler. HIGH: Whatever you can fit. 2) Slowing down ships. LOW: 2x Signal Amps T2 MID: 1x MWD, 1x SB T2, 2x Webbers HIGH: Whatever you can fit. 3) Damage dealing sniper. HIGH: 4x 125mm rails T2, 1x assault or standard launcher. LOW: 2x mag stabs T2. MID: 1x SB T2, 2x tracking comps T2 that leaves one empty mid slot, you can either go for faster locking with a second SB, or help your tackling/webbing buddy with a ECM, Tracking Disruptor or a similar module. 4) Mixing it up LOW: 1x Signal amp, 1x tracking enhancer MID: 1x SB, 1xscrambler, 1x web, 1x tracking comp HIGH: 4x Guns, 1x Launcher... AFs are underrated, and most ppl prefer intys above AFs... but a squad of AFs can be as deadly as a squad of intys... edit: making it readable.
Swethren	Posted - 2006.03.21 16:47:00 - [30] The problem with inty's is, if you starting take dmg, you get raped pretty quickly. AF's can hold their own due to their tanking ability.

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