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Bobby Frutt Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 27	Posted - 2014.01.07 00:50:00 - [1] - Quote Last thread was closed as they called it a rant. This will be straight forward. In it's current state a single player with director roles in the executor corp can disband an alliance. An alliance however is many times intended for sharing power and wealth amongst members evenly. Only sometimes is an alliance actually a supercorp. Thus, it becomes most logical to divide alliances into two types: 1) Supercorps. Similar to how it's setup today, one corp in the alliance has control over most facets and directors within that corp can close the alliance at their own will. 2) Cooperatives. Similar to how null-sec entities should be setup, no single corp in the alliance has any special privileges. Everything from alliance membership to the closing of the alliance is decided by popular vote. Voting strength of each corp is decided (and set in stone) when said corp joins the alliance. This will allow null-sec entities to survive when a single leader decided he's had enough and wants to cause some damage before leaving. Cooperatives containing thousands of members should not be at the whims of individuals. Please change this CCP.
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 375	Posted - 2014.01.07 00:53:00 - [2] - Quote IBTL Reposting a locked thread is bad voodoo. Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has.
Shirley Serious Gutter Press 63	Posted - 2014.01.07 00:54:00 - [3] - Quote I pressed the button to look at the large version of the OP's portrait, and shortly afterwards regretted that decision.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 125	Posted - 2014.01.07 00:57:00 - [4] - Quote Get over it and be careful who is given power in the Alliance. The current mechanism is part of EvE history and shouldn't be changed. Having these mechanisms is a constant reminder to be careful about the way you play - trust no-one, not even yourself.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 8879	Posted - 2014.01.07 01:04:00 - [5] - Quote Note to self: Get into leadership of large alliance. Press button. Bathe in the glorious waterfall of tears. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Jill Chastot Oath of the Forsaken Ragnarok. 99	Posted - 2014.01.07 01:06:00 - [6] - Quote I laugh where OP thinks eve is a democracy
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2257	Posted - 2014.01.07 01:11:00 - [7] - Quote Bobby Frutt wrote: Cooperatives containing thousands of members should not be at the whims of individuals. Of course they should. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 876	Posted - 2014.01.07 01:15:00 - [8] - Quote If you want a super corp, make it actually a super corp? Corps can hold thousands of players, stop being lazy and actually invest some training into your corp.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 15490	Posted - 2014.01.07 01:15:00 - [9] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Note to self: Get into leadership of large alliance. Press button. Bathe in the glorious waterfall of tears. Note to self: Be in a position to take advantage of Unsuccessful's plan and help him to steal all of the things, before he presses the button.
Jill Chastot Oath of the Forsaken Ragnarok. 100	Posted - 2014.01.07 01:17:00 - [10] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: If you want a super corp, make it actually a super corp? Corps can hold thousands of players, stop being lazy and actually invest some training into your corp. Who wants to train Sovereignty to 5 though
silens vesica Corsair Cartel 2826	Posted - 2014.01.07 01:22:00 - [11] - Quote Shirley Serious wrote: I pressed the button to look at the large version of the OP's portrait, and shortly afterwards regretted that decision. What has been seen cannot be un-seen. And no, bleaching your eyeballs won't help. Meanwhile: I predict GREAT things for this thread! Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
silens vesica Corsair Cartel 2826	Posted - 2014.01.07 01:24:00 - [12] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Note to self: Get into leadership of large alliance. Press button. Bathe in the glorious waterfall of tears. Note to self: Be in a position to take advantage of Unsuccessful's plan and help him to steal all of the things, before he presses the button. Note to self: Encourage OP to keep giving Unsuccessful really great bad ideas - I need a few good belly laughs. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 1390	Posted - 2014.01.07 01:28:00 - [13] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Get over it and be careful who is given power in the Alliance. The current mechanism is part of EvE history and shouldn't be changed. Having these mechanisms is a constant reminder to be careful about the way you play - trust no-one, not even yourself. This is a nonsensical post. The Plague is a long part of human history. It could be a careful remainder about not keeping black rats as pets.... Broken is broken, because the devs ignore broken mechanics for years doesn't mean they shouldn't be fixed. Corporations could be more robust and more in-line with how corporations work in real life. A CEO is selected by a board of directors. A disbanding is a decision of a majority of directors + the CEO (those online in the last x period). Even one dissenter means no disbanding. Additionally, anyone not online in the last 90 days has roles auto-dropped
Kawaiian Breeze State War Academy Caldari State 4	Posted - 2014.01.07 01:30:00 - [14] - Quote Be excellent to each other and this wouldnt happen LOVE EVERYBODY
silens vesica Corsair Cartel 2827	Posted - 2014.01.07 01:32:00 - [15] - Quote Ah. Alliance structure management is a plague that kills millions. Or... Maybe not. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 375	Posted - 2014.01.07 01:42:00 - [16] - Quote Bobby Frutt wrote: Please change this CCP. Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has.
Cypherous Liberty Rogues Aprilon Dynasty 54	Posted - 2014.01.07 03:14:00 - [17] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Note to self: Get into leadership of large alliance. Press button. Bathe in the glorious waterfall of tears. Note to self: Be in a position to take advantage of Unsuccessful's plan and help him to steal all of the things, before he presses the button. haha i just looked at a larger version of your avatar, i wonder what you saw just as that picture was taken, it looks like you saw something that cannot be unseen :P On the subject of alliances, working as intended, if people decide they want to disband something like they they should be freely allowed to do so, in your example its entirely possible for an alliance containing an even number of corps to have votes end up in a tie in which case nothing would happen, this veto power makes it so you can just do what you want to do when you want to do it :) Which alliance did you lose out of interest :P
silens vesica Corsair Cartel 2829	Posted - 2014.01.07 03:17:00 - [18] - Quote Cypherous wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Note to self: Get into leadership of large alliance. Press button. Bathe in the glorious waterfall of tears. Note to self: Be in a position to take advantage of Unsuccessful's plan and help him to steal all of the things, before he presses the button. haha i just looked at a larger version of your avatar, i wonder what you saw just as that picture was taken, it looks like you saw something that cannot be unseen :P Probably at the OP's full avatar. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
Felicity Love Whore and Peace 1440	Posted - 2014.01.07 04:05:00 - [19] - Quote ... strange, I thought the OP's name was supposed to be a month of the year... Can't have a proper Apocalypse without "The Man", Johnny Cash. -áTrue story.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 8158	Posted - 2014.01.07 04:43:00 - [20] - Quote Jill Chastot wrote: I laugh where OP thinks eve is a democracy OP should be the guy that makes the democracy alliance so the rest of us can laugh when it tears itself apart before its first week. My EVE Videos
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 9745	Posted - 2014.01.07 05:31:00 - [21] - Quote Why should we deny the spies their content? They work long and hard for their reward. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 159	Posted - 2014.01.07 12:00:00 - [22] - Quote Bobby Frutt wrote: Last thread was closed as they called it a rant. This will be straight forward. In it's current state a single player with director roles in the executor corp can disband an alliance. An alliance however is many times intended for sharing power and wealth amongst members evenly. ... Cooperatives containing thousands of members should not be at the whims of individuals. Please change this CCP. Why not? If you grant people powers and controls they don't need or deserve, you get what you deserve. I've been in my corp for two and a half years (longer if you count when we were an alliance). The only role I have is access to the usually-empty corp fuel hanger. And you know what, I don't need more than that. Sure, I've been in the corp a long time, hopefully earned trust, and have no desire to ever screw my corpmates, but I would be convinced my CEO had gone insane if he just took my word for it, and gave me all sorts of powers I didn't need. Sure, I know I wouldn't abuse that, but I'd be worrying that someone else who could be less-trustworthy was getting the same accesses. I'm glad my CEO isn't handing out roles left right and centre to potential spies, since it means we should be here a further two and a half years from now.
TharOkha 0asis Group 719	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:08:00 - [23] - Quote well as non alliance member i have to admit that this is just stupid :) .
Arresy Barres PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 36	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:14:00 - [24] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: trust no-one, not even yourself. 2deep4me Straightforward.
Ambassador Crane Hellhound Productions 117	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:26:00 - [25] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Get over it and be careful who is given power in the Alliance. How careful is careful? There are people who spend a year earning people's trust to get high enough for heists. Most of the disbanding I've seen is someone who, perhaps without any other's knowledge, became disgruntled and pushed the button. So by your instruction, NO ONE should EVER be given that power, maybe even the CEO himself! Quote: The current mechanism is part of EvE history and shouldn't be changed. Having these mechanisms is a constant reminder to be careful about the way you play - trust no-one, not even yourself. And so by that outlook, nullsec sovereignty mechanics should never have been changed or be changed again as people are begging for. The doomsday AOE should've never been changed. Bounty system should've never been changed. POS design and management should never be changed. I could go on but I'm pretty sure you get the point. As Infinity Zionna said, Quote: Broken is broken, because the devs ignore broken mechanics for years doesn't mean they shouldn't be fixed. Personally, I'm just for a timer. Forget the whole democratic thing. If the timer is for perhaps ?3 days? and no other director or the alliance CEO logs in during that time to cancel the timer, then poof! We already have 24 hour wait timers to leave a corp if we have roles, make it similar. Plus we all know CCP loves timers.

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