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Null Route
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Posted - 2006.03.18 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: Null Route on 18/03/2006 20:49:31
I need to fit a scorpion for tanking while my other character uses a barge in 0.0 against thermal and kinetic. Here's what I'm thinking:
Highs
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4 Heavy named nos
2 Large Shield Transporters in case the barge gets in trouble
Medium
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2 Ballistic Deflection II
2 Thermal Deflection II
XL C5-L Emergency
Ionic Amplifier
2 F-S9 Large Extenders
Low
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4 Named PDU (Mark 1's)
With my skills and this setup:
12512 Shield HP
1172 sec Shield Recharge rate
509 sec cap recharge rate
I don't have the skills to passive tank well yet (haven't trained the compensations). I'll just be sitting here tanking rats while my other character mines.
Yea/Nea?
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nut gatherer
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Posted - 2006.03.18 20:59:00 -
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in the lows instead of using PDU's, you might want to try cap power relays. you lose a little cap in the capacitor, but it recharges much faster possibly allowing you to run the SB forever. also maybe getting rid of the large extenders for T2 cap rechargers.
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VaderDSL
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Posted - 2006.03.18 21:20:00 -
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Cap relays completely gimp shield boosters though, PDS (Power Diagnostic Systems) are fine for shield tanking, although work towards DPSII's :)
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.03.18 21:30:00 -
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you should take off the shield extenders and use 2 more hardeners also take off the XL booster and use a t2 large. use t2 pdu's.
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FraXy
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Posted - 2006.03.18 21:31:00 -
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Shield extenders are a module just as the likes of 1600mm plates or plates in general.
They are used when u suspect the tank to not hold and to buy u time to a) Warp out or b) Kill the attacker.
0.0 Barge is mostly semi-afk stuff meaning u want the tank to run forever and unless u are using a gist XL it won`t run forever.
There is 2 ways to go about this and i will suggest setups for both which u can modify to ur likings.
Active-tanking:
Highs whatever u feel like.
Large SB II, 2x Thermal II, Kinetic II, Invulnerability II, 1-2 Cap Rechargers and Shield Boost Amp with 4 PDU II in lows.
Should run pretty much forever with good skills, if it doesn`t just modify it slightly with more/less rechargers, etc.
The alternative is a Passivetank.
The method of passivetank is to get the ((Shield HP/Shield Recharge)x2.5) as high as possible with decent resists.
The Scorpion with 4 lows don`t get that high HP/sec regen, but with 8 mids u can get nice resists which in the end makes up for it.
Highs can be whatever u fancy.
Thermal II, Kinetic II, Invulnerability II, 5x Large Shield Extender II and 4 Shield Power Relays.
Recommended skills are Shield Management 4 and Shield Operation 5 for the best effect.
That setup would have 18975 HP with a 614.5 Recharge making the Regen = 77.2 HP/sec at Peak Recharge (~30% HP).
I can`t remember the stacking formula but with 1 of each t2 hardener u will have:
64% Thermal
73% Kinetic
Add in the Invulnerability II u`d get 75+ resists making the tank able to withstand 308.8 DPS forever at 75% resist. If someone start engaging that tank at 100% with Hybrid guns they need to do 400 DPS to be able to take down that Scorpion someday this year.
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ARGH69
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Posted - 2006.03.27 02:34:00 -
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Edited by: ARGH69 on 27/03/2006 02:35:02
fraxy i have a quick question on you know know that 1 second is 2.5 shield recharge cycles. has this been officially stated or are you guessing by manually measuring it?
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shakaZ XIV
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Posted - 2006.03.27 02:49:00 -
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 Originally by: ARGH69
Edited by: ARGH69 on 27/03/2006 02:35:02
fraxy i have a quick question on you know know that 1 second is 2.5 shield recharge cycles. has this been officially stated or are you guessing by manually measuring it?
At the "highest point" in the shield recharge curve (its not linear - same goes for cap) the shieldrecharge is roughly: 2,5 x total shield hp/recharge time. Think this "optimal point" is at about 30-40% shield or so..? higher AND lower than that = you get less recharge...
Exact values may be off a bit, but thats the general idea. 
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.03.27 06:36:00 -
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Hey, here's a thought, instead of setting up some bigass shield relay ship for you Barge, why not buy a raven, toss a med shield exfer on it, and load up on seige/cruise so you can just blast whatever NPCs come your way?
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Detrol
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Posted - 2006.03.27 10:49:00 -
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Cause it's more interesting to have a solid tank that tanks the NPC's forever without having to pay attention to it. As long as the NPC's aren't killed, no new ones arrive. If these are all targetting your Tank ship and not the barge, you can mine forever as if there are no NPC's around.
If you kill the NPC's, sooner or later new ones will appear of which some will attack the barge. If the protection ship isn't fast enough, the barge is hit hard and/or has to warp out. This interrupts the mining every so many minutes.
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Apertotes
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Posted - 2006.03.27 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Null Route
Edited by: Null Route on 18/03/2006 20:49:31
I need to fit a scorpion for tanking while my other character uses a barge in 0.0 against thermal and kinetic. Here's what I'm thinking:
Highs
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4 Heavy named nos
2 Large Shield Transporters in case the barge gets in trouble
Medium
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2 Ballistic Deflection II
2 Thermal Deflection II
XL C5-L Emergency
Ionic Amplifier
2 F-S9 Large Extenders
Low
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4 Named PDU (Mark 1's)
With my skills and this setup:
12512 Shield HP
1172 sec Shield Recharge rate
509 sec cap recharge rate
I don't have the skills to passive tank well yet (haven't trained the compensations). I'll just be sitting here tanking rats while my other character mines.
Yea/Nea?
i dont have any experience on that, but i think that you would be better with a passive tanked ferox. probably more experienced players could say more, but i remember reading about a ferox that tanked more than 100 dps passively. and it is cheaper
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Na Jenton
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Posted - 2006.03.27 14:55:00 -
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i've heard about people running XL sbs forever, but can any1 post a setup that does this? try as i can, i only know how to get a raven/scorp to about 65 max cap recharge a second.
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