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I Was There
Nigerian Drug Manufactory co.
113
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Posted - 2014.01.08 10:55:00 -
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Usually free contracts and random money transactions between two chars, would indicate alts. Maybe your client bought money through RMT, which were used to buy your minerals. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2325
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Posted - 2014.01.08 11:36:00 -
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I Was There wrote:Usually free contracts and random money transactions between two chars, would indicate alts. Maybe your client bought money through RMT, which were used to buy your minerals. Which should only matter if the accounts are linked by IP, which happens when people share accounts illegally. Oh god. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
10777
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Posted - 2014.01.08 11:44:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote:Not going to lie I could give a class on exactly how to do this in online games, and even games which support Real Money Trading like Entropia, but believe me I wouldn't use my own account for such actions, I am just not a stupid person. This statement just made me think so you got all the experience of RMT'ing and how to try to avoid it but this time you got caught...
But your best call is still like suggested, to wait and get replied from the petitions.
/c
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Rastafarian God
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.01.08 11:57:00 -
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OK as risk of sounding like a tard... what does RMT stand for?
To me thats a military term that stand for Remedial training lol.
Yes this character is new (its my forum alt... ya ya I know) but I am a ceo of a corp that is training new players in the game and to be honest, its just smarter to not use my main right now lol.
Plus I've never broke the game rules so. I've never had a reason to know the lingo.
Ive seen this a lot recently though and I am curious. Although I have only recently gotton into reading the forums after 5 years of playing.
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Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2083
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Posted - 2014.01.08 11:58:00 -
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Rastafarian God wrote:OK as risk of sounding like a tard... what does RMT stand for?
To me thats a military term that stand for Remedial training lol.
Yes this character is new (its my forum alt... ya ya I know) but I am a ceo of a corp that is training new players in the game and to be honest, its just smarter to not use my main right now lol.
Plus I've never broke the game rules so. I've never had a reason to know the lingo.
Ive seen this a lot recently though and I am curious. Although I have only recently gotton into reading the forums after 5 years of playing.
REALLY MENTAL TANGO
or possibly
RIGHT, MY TURN!
but most likely
Real money transfer (yawn boring zzzz)
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2326
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Posted - 2014.01.08 11:59:00 -
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Real Money Trading. Oh god. |
Rastafarian God
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.01.08 12:08:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Real Money Trading.
Im assuming you are the one that was honest. Honestly I have no freaking clue for sure lol. I may be a psychopath in game but I still follow the rules as far as the EULA is concerned so I've never had the need to know.
I honestly can not fathom using EVE to trade real world money. Maybe its just because I'm older then the internet, have a degree in computers. and just know better to fall for it. But still. Are we talking about the equivalent of buying gold in WOW? IF that is the case.. why would people do that in this game ESPECIALLY with the existence of PLEX? I just dont get it.
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Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2084
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Posted - 2014.01.08 12:14:00 -
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Rastafarian God wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Real Money Trading. Im assuming you are the one that was honest. Honestly I have no freaking clue for sure lol. I may be a psychopath in game but I still follow the rules as far as the EULA is concerned so I've never had the need to know. I honestly can not fathom using EVE to trade real world money. Maybe its just because I'm older then the internet, have a degree in computers. and just know better to fall for it. But still. Are we talking about the equivalent of buying gold in WOW? IF that is the case.. why would people do that in this game ESPECIALLY with the existence of PLEX? I just dont get it.
Because people try to sell Isk for far below the market value of PLEX *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
719
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Posted - 2014.01.08 12:14:00 -
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Rastafarian God wrote: I honestly can not fathom using EVE to trade real world money. Maybe its just because I'm older then the internet, have a degree in computers. and just know better to fall for it. But still. Are we talking about the equivalent of buying gold in WOW? IF that is the case.. why would people do that in this game ESPECIALLY with the existence of PLEX? I just dont get it.
Yes, it is the equivalent of buying Gold in other games. Fluffy Bunny Pic! |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
1352
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Posted - 2014.01.08 12:22:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote:Quote:Thanks to your 0 ISK transaction thing, even _if_ you didn't RMT/launder CCP can't directly tie the ISK you received to the minerals you gave. That makes a it rather difficult for them to reverse the transaction.
Not going to lie I could give a class on exactly how to do this in online games, and even games which support Real Money Trading like Entropia, but believe me I wouldn't use my own account for such actions, I am just not a stupid person. Not going to lie I could design and implement a way to track way more complicated transactions on a graph.
Still doesn't mean you have a clear transaction they can use as a basis for a refund. Nyan |
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2326
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Posted - 2014.01.08 12:25:00 -
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Rastafarian God wrote:Im assuming you are the one that was honest. Honest but not entirely innocent. I wasn't RMTing, but I logged into someone's account who was. Oh god. |
Rastafarian God
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.01.08 12:44:00 -
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Thank you for the replies to my answer. I wasnt trying to thread jack but still.
Ever since I started playing this game I've been surprised this stuff goes on. As far as game / MMO devs go, the people at CCP are like GODS. they actually care more about making a good game and doing stuff correctly then making money. Although to be fair, they know that there costumer base wants that in a company so they make money... but still lol.
If there was ever a game not to try this crap in this is it. I learned that early on and am Surprised that it still happens.
Thanks again for the edumacation.
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Jaiden Demonia
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:26:00 -
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I just found this on Google, and it leaves many open questions.
http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?t=63837\
Also it is true that CCP can see the IP of every account but what CCP Fail to understand is that a person like me who truly wanted to hide their identity behind RMT could simply use a (VPN) or (VPS) server which I own both and install EVE On it for the sole purpose of money laundry, and disposable accounts which btw you can buy 20+ CD keys off Steam when it goes for sale and just not register them for about $5 a piece.
My point is I know exactly what RMT is, I really don't give 2 cents about what RMT or Gold Farmers do unless I see someone botting in an online game where it be EVE, or Guild Wars 2, or someone spamming gold sells like in Many F2P Games I really don't care what they do with their business sure its against EULA to do Real Money Transactions, but its not my problem I make enough cash through trades to other players and use of auction house for what I need, and days that I come up short I buy Plex/ETC, or just pay with a credit-card.
Understand when I say I have spent over 10 years playing MMO's and I know what gold-sellers and illegal things people do have been a victim myself to two wow account compromises because of an Add-on which was infected even had my account perm-banned on wow for gold spamming but Blizzard gave the account and items back just as it was. I have also seen the things that players steep down to like Teleport hacking in Guild Wars 2 to obtain Items to sell them these are the type of actions I would never support in any online game and if I knew a transaction was Dirty in EVE I would never accept a trade knowingly that came from a compromised account, or illegally obtained items through use of bots, but then again how is everyone supposed to know when a Trade is always bad to me its a matter of trust, and respect for the gaming community not to do dishonorable acts including (Scamming) which some people agree with is a part of EVE sure its a part of EVE but to me it is not something that I would do to others.
I have also seen game companies that sit by and doing nothing as well like NcSoft when my L2 account was compromised due to a exploit when their game went F2P along with some other players GM did absolutely nothing, but claim its my fault when my account was secure for over 5 years until 24 hours after it goes F2P, makes perfect sense.
In General I could go on and on all day about RMT, and ways to circumvent bans/exploits in online games because I do lots of Alpha, and Beta tests in online games often find issues including security issues in recent browser RPG games which I report to devs.
Yes of course there is no choice to but to wait for a response from the petition, I just hope it doesn't take a long time to get this sorted out because I have a mining fleet I have to get back up and running again and every day it takes its a loss of profit. |
Careby
Careby Exploration
169
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:31:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote:...Currently I have 4 other accounts waiting to come back and make another 3-5 billion isk this month, but can't actively renew any of them until this little issues is taken care of and I have read that it can take weeks for anyone to get back in response to a petition, I have had some very long waits on some in the past too. Look on the bright side - you haven't been banned from the game, and you're only one plex in the hole. Do what you need to do to get your balance back to positive (ideally, this won't include a transfer of RMT isk) and put your mad isk-making skills to work. You'll be space rich in short order.
Sarcasm is OP |
Gregor Parud
102
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:31:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote:Usually what I do is offer my resources at discounted price to players and Corps I know in EVE in a contract for 0 ISK, I let them pay me because I trust them I actually know the people I contract it to if not I wouldn't contract it for 0 ISK.
They pay me directly to wallet, or later in some way if I agree to it usually its directly to wallet most of the time though.
You realise no one is actually going to fall for that hilarious "explanation", right? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18784
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:33:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote:Also it is true that CCP can see the IP of every account but what CCP Fail to understand is that a person like me who truly wanted to hide their identity behind RMT could simply use a (VPN) or (VPS) server which I own both and install EVE On it for the sole purpose of money laundry, and disposable accounts which btw you can buy 20+ CD keys off Steam when it goes for sale and just not register them for about $5 a piece. GǪnone of which would actually launder any money or hide your identity. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2088
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:36:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote:
Yes of course there is no choice to but to wait for a response from the petition, I just hope it doesn't take a long time to get this sorted out because I have a mining fleet I have to get back up and running again and every day it takes its a loss of profit.
The first half explains why your "I know it all" rant is meaningless and has no effect on what people think about your situation (which, bTW you obviously care about or you wouldnt have posted any of this in the first place).
The second half explains why even less people have sympathy for you than they did before you posted your comment.
And before you say something witty about my opinion having no effect on you, I dont care if you dont care.
The opinions of your kind are of little concern to me.
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
RAIN Arthie
The Ascended Fleet Intrepid Crossing
189
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:47:00 -
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RMT they will cry about, but not bullying. Nobody said EVE was a moral business practice. You can lie and say that your war decing people to raise money for a "good cause" and get away with it (against the law everywhere). Your best bet is to walk away. |
Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2092
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:53:00 -
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RAIN Arthie wrote: You can lie and say that your war decing people to raise money for a "good cause" and get away with it (against the law everywhere).
Unless you are a country.
They do that ship all the time.
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
101
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:58:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Jaiden Demonia wrote:
Yes of course there is no choice to but to wait for a response from the petition, I just hope it doesn't take a long time to get this sorted out because I have a mining fleet I have to get back up and running again and every day it takes its a loss of profit.
The first half explains why your "I know it all" rant is meaningless and has no effect on what people think about your situation (which, BTW you obviously care about or you wouldnt have posted any of this in the first place). The second half explains why even less people have sympathy for you than they did before you posted your comment. And before you say something witty about my opinion having no effect on you, I dont care if you dont care. The opinions of your kind are of little concern to me. It doesn't make sense to begin with.
If she wanted to make money, she wouldn't waste three accounts with mining. Even if she needed minerals, there are activities bringing in much more ISM in less time, allowing to buy more minerals than she could be mining in the same timeframe.
Yet she whines about profit. Ridiculous 3-5 billion a month. It makes no sense. She smells fishy ... guess she should take a shower ... eeeewwww -.- New player feeling neglected? You're important from day 1!!! Join the Epic Boo Bees! (female chars only, RP!)
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
15538
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:59:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:RAIN Arthie wrote: You can lie and say that your war decing people to raise money for a "good cause" and get away with it (against the law everywhere). Unless you are a country. They do that ship all the time. It's for their own good being, honestly. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
613
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Posted - 2014.01.08 14:14:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote:Quote:Thanks to your 0 ISK transaction thing, even _if_ you didn't RMT/launder CCP can't directly tie the ISK you received to the minerals you gave. That makes a it rather difficult for them to reverse the transaction.
Not going to lie I could give a class on exactly how to do this in online games, and even games which support Real Money Trading like Entropia, but believe me I wouldn't use my own account for such actions, I am just not a stupid person.
CCP doesn't need to initially detect RMT via transaction anomalies at the final beneficiary. ie that almost certainly isn't how they detect.
They just need to hunt bots, hunt advertising RMT sources and keep an eye on isoboxers and certain huge asset piles as plex caps the price of ISK to be borderline or likely below human farming outside of asset pile skimming. Once you have the source, it takes tremendous inefficiency to hide a significant beneficiary, (which pushes it further into the realm of bot only).
Also the server moves (and can log) assets from database to simulation when you undock with them and vice versa, so space games won't hide them either.
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Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1839
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Posted - 2014.01.08 14:19:00 -
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I never really understood why people come here to cry over getting caught in RMT'ing... I don't get it. Sorry. It can't be about shame, because they're anonymous behind a pixel wall, the penalty isn't tied to their personal credit device (credit card, debit card, etc), their account is still active...
I just don't get it. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5310
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Posted - 2014.01.08 14:22:00 -
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1: Contracts are in game for a reason. There is no legitimate reason not to use them.
2: It doesn't matter if you trust someone, if they obtained their ISK or assets via RMT and you received them... you will have them yanked from your account when they get caught.
3: You're making it painfully apparent your hands aren't clean, you should probably stop posting. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18784
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Posted - 2014.01.08 14:28:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:I just don't get it. When someone thinks they've outsmarted the devs and beaten the system, being beaten to a pulp by that system exposes that they'reGǪ less cleverGǪ and that tends to elicit this kind of reaction.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
544
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Posted - 2014.01.08 14:29:00 -
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RAIN Arthie wrote:RMT they will cry about, but not bullying. Nobody said EVE was a moral business practice. You can lie and say that your war decing people to raise money for a "good cause" and get away with it (against the law everywhere). Your best bet is to walk away.
This thread is about OP being an RMT'er not the Iraq war mate. here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY |
Vipre Morte
Team JK
65
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Posted - 2014.01.08 14:29:00 -
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Gogela wrote:I am spaceship.
OMG me too!!! I thought I was the only one!!! |
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
390
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Posted - 2014.01.08 14:33:00 -
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Either Your 0 isk shenanigans were an attempt to launder your own RMTing or You were unlucky and received a large amount of RMTed isk
Either way CCP has now removed the RMTed isk from the game. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2869
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:48:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote:Like seriously I make a lot of transactions this month in EVE, I sell over 3 Billion worth of resources this month in EVE, and I log back into EVE a few days later to see that my account is Negative 600 Million ISK for some odd reason. RMT is bad, m'kay? Even if you weren't the one who did it.
Seeking answers to RMT 'corrections' in the EVE-O fora is also bad, m'kay? Petition, and expect the process ot be sloooooooow. After all, there are more pressing issues than yours, and there are a LOT of logs to check if they are to clear your name.
Xurr wrote:
Anyhow all you can do is wait for a response, aside from being viciously mocked on the forums.
^^ This. Especially the 'mocking' part. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
455
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Posted - 2014.01.08 16:10:00 -
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Rastafarian God wrote:I honestly can not fathom using EVE to trade real world money. Maybe its just because I'm older then the internet, have a degree in computers. and just know better to fall for it
Wow. I'd bet that a lot of this community falls into that older than the internet, degree in computer science, and just know better crowd.
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Rastafarian God wrote:But still. Are we talking about the equivalent of buying gold in WOW? IF that is the case.. why would people do that in this game ESPECIALLY with the existence of PLEX? I just dont get it.
That is exactly what we are talking about except that I think the alleged infraction here is that the OP is accused of giving items to someone and getting nothing in-game for them so perhaps getting Real World currencies instead.
As far as why people do that - I think it's because they are, at least in general, stupid.
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
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