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Jaiden Demonia
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.08 05:40:00 -
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Like seriously I make a lot of transactions this month in EVE, I sell over 3 Billion worth of resources this month in EVE, and I log back into EVE a few days later to see that my account is Negative 600 Million ISK for some odd reason. I check my transaction logs and it says something about a GM RMT Reversal first time in over many months of doing active trades between players, many contracts, and many 0 ISK/Direct Wallet trades.
I trust the people I do business with which is why I generally just do a 0 ISK transaction and let them pay me with a discount on it.
When a Reversal on an account occurs, Does this mean that the player who did the transfer with a person is given the items, or ISK back?
I file a petition on this as this is the first time doing the exact same trades, Industry/Mining that I have done for months on my account, I understand that my accounts could have been flagged like in other games due to Large Transactions in ISK in a single month but when you have 5 accounts what do you expect to happen I also do all my transactions on a single character.
I Guess what I am asking is how long does it generally take for CCP to actually fix these type of problems if they are a mistake, or let me know what is up so I can get hold of the corp/alliance, or whomever I did the transaction with so they can send the items back if it was indeed a reversal.
Currently I have 4 other accounts waiting to come back and make another 3-5 billion isk this month, but can't actively renew any of them until this little issues is taken care of and I have read that it can take weeks for anyone to get back in response to a petition, I have had some very long waits on some in the past too. |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
1035
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Posted - 2014.01.08 05:45:00 -
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Assuming you weren't actually RMTing then you had the misfortune of dealing with somebody who was and the ISK they paid you with was considered dirty money. From other cases like this, don't expect it to get resolved soon. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8200
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Posted - 2014.01.08 05:45:00 -
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HAH My EVE Videos |
Xurr
Angelic Insurrection Corp
52
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Posted - 2014.01.08 05:46:00 -
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3-5 billion isk and large transactions don't go together.
"I trust the people I do business with which is why I generally just do a 0 ISK transaction and let them pay me with a discount on it." This is where you lose all credibility.
Anyhow all you can do is wait for a response, aside from being viciously mocked on the forums. |
Jaiden Demonia
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.08 06:02:00 -
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Quote:Assuming you weren't actually RMTing then you had the misfortune of dealing with somebody who was and the ISK they paid you with was considered dirty money. From other cases like this, don't expect it to get resolved soon.
Thanks, then I won't be renewing my other 4 accounts for awhile then their loss of money from a paying customer not that it matters. Yes I am sure there are dirty transactions in a number of places given the fact this is the first time in over a year of playing EVE I think I have done my best to stay clean from scammers and isk sellers well its never 100% possible to stay clean of illegally obtained goods given the fact that EVE offers so many ways to make transactions including a friend could just give someone 20 billion isk for some reason and there is no way to prove that that person bought ISK.
I really wouldn't spend my Real Life money on gold though I have enough EVE accounts to worry about, 2 DarkFall accounts, and a Server box which totals to around $400 a month in cash.
Usually when a person buys gold in a online game they get an email about it I am just curious because it took place yesterday, I got no email and I am confused about it all if they items/ISK was actually returned to the player or players.
Xurr wrote:3-5 billion isk and large transactions don't go together.
"I trust the people I do business with which is why I generally just do a 0 ISK transaction and let them pay me with a discount on it." This is where you lose all credibility.
Anyhow all you can do is wait for a response, aside from being viciously mocked on the forums.
Depends, What I usually do Is I mine a crap ton of money if I am feeling really crabby then I can easily make 500+ Million isk a day with my accounts considering 3 of them are not fully trained or maxed out yet.
Usually what I do is offer my resources at discounted price to players and Corps I know in EVE in a contract for 0 ISK, I let them pay me because I trust them I actually know the people I contract it to if not I wouldn't contract it for 0 ISK.
They pay me directly to wallet, or later in some way if I agree to it usually its directly to wallet most of the time though.
Larger Transactions when it turns out like no one wanted the stuff I was selling this month because they had a big enough supply I just take it down to Jita and do a quick sell of my items hitting an instant Billion ISK in one second sometimes 2 billion ISK or more instantly depending on what I am selling.
I am not one of those idiots that gets scammed by all the contract spam people put in the Jita market the things where you can sell a plex, but the buyer pays back the same plex they just purchased type of thing like seriously if only CCP would restrict this trickery.
After all EVE has lots of scammers I see it everyday but if you can't trust your own corp, alliance, or people you know of in Real Life and in Game especially when you are like me then where does it get you and what is the point of playing industry in EVE then. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2314
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Posted - 2014.01.08 06:03:00 -
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Xurr wrote:"I trust the people I do business with which is why I generally just do a 0 ISK transaction and let them pay me with a discount on it." This is where you lose all credibility. Why wouldn't you just do the transaction with the discount already included?
Oh god. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2314
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Posted - 2014.01.08 06:07:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote:Usually when a person buys gold in a online game they get an email about it. Sounds like the voice of experience. Oh god. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4781
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Posted - 2014.01.08 06:07:00 -
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CCP are unlikely to give out any information about how they identified you as a RMTer. This is mainly to maintain their lead (or lag) in the arms race between RMTers and CCP security.
Bannings due to RMT are so very rarely mistaken that most people on the forums will assume that you are actually an RMTer, so brace yourself for a flood of abuse. There has been at least one record of a character trade that lead to the new owner receiving an RMT ban, when it was actually the character's previous owner that engaged in RMT and used character transfer to dodge the RMT ban bullet (temporarily). So you have some hope of being taken seriously: CCP will work with you to resolve the issue if it turns out that you were in fact mistakenly painted with the RMT brush.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3010
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Posted - 2014.01.08 06:09:00 -
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I am spaceship.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
1352
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Posted - 2014.01.08 06:48:00 -
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Thanks to your 0 ISK transaction thing, even _if_ you didn't RMT/launder CCP can't directly tie the ISK you received to the minerals you gave. That makes a it rather difficult for them to reverse the transaction. Nyan |
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Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
719
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Posted - 2014.01.08 06:57:00 -
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What do you mean by "0 isk transaction"?
A contract for 0 ISK? A station trade?
Fluffy Bunny Pic! |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Warfare Corp.
398
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Posted - 2014.01.08 07:13:00 -
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when you leave , can i haz your stuff? The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Jaiden Demonia
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.08 07:26:00 -
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Quote:Thanks to your 0 ISK transaction thing, even _if_ you didn't RMT/launder CCP can't directly tie the ISK you received to the minerals you gave. That makes a it rather difficult for them to reverse the transaction.
Not going to lie I could give a class on exactly how to do this in online games, and even games which support Real Money Trading like Entropia, but believe me I wouldn't use my own account for such actions, I am just not a stupid person.
Rhivre wrote:What do you mean by "0 isk transaction"?
A contract for 0 ISK? A station trade?
I have done a lot more transactions this month than in previous months because i started playing a lot more than I previously was and registered 2 more accounts.
Most of my transactions were done by contract to people I know of all of them were corporation related except for alternate accounts of others from the same corps I did contracts with which bought my items but I put the contracts to that specific person for 0 ISK and then they paid later directly to me.
There were also multiple station trades, although I rarely do station trades unless another player asks me but there were like at least 3-4 station trades this month that I Can think of which had 0 ISK transactions most of them I know were from newbie corps because the people I know had alts didn't want them to be in any corp wanted it to stay in a starter corp to avoid war-decks I guess you could call them care-bears?
I do Zero ISK trades all the time I have since the day I started going into industrial and never had any problem until recently perhaps I just run into a trade which was a dirty trade don't really have any full idea.
When I don't do zero ISK trades is if I do a public contract obviously, or when I sell items on the market or buy orders otherwise if I know the person or the corp I tend to trust the people and it works for me usually.
I also always use Jita, or Amarr to sell my items too because they are trade-hubs obviously not sure that has anything to do with it perhaps the Billion ISK transactions of items I sold raised red flags.
I just hope they figure it out soon and let me know without waiting too long don't want to loose my subscription time because I really can't play. |
Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2068
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Posted - 2014.01.08 07:31:00 -
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TL;DR Margin Trader finally gets what she had coming.
And I don't care if you say you weren't. I really couldn't care less how you defend it.
Jaiden Demonia wrote:
Thanks, then I won't be renewing my other 4 accounts for awhile then their loss of money from a paying customer not that it matters.
Good. Keep New Eden Tidy.
Jaiden Demonia wrote:being viciously mocked on the forums.
No more than you deserve. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Jaiden Demonia
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.08 07:39:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:TL;DR RMTer finally gets what she had coming. And I don't care if you say you weren't. I really couldn't care less how you defend it. Jaiden Demonia wrote:
Thanks, then I won't be renewing my other 4 accounts for awhile then their loss of money from a paying customer not that it matters.
Good. Keep New Eden Tidy. Jaiden Demonia wrote:being viciously mocked on the forums. No more than you deserve.
If you really want to clean up this game.
How about we get rid of all the contract scammers that sit in Jita scamming all day long if you want to do your job at cleaning anything up in fact most those illegal scammers are likely related to RMT activity anyways.
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Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2068
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Posted - 2014.01.08 07:42:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote: if you want to do your job at cleaning anything up in fact most those illegal scammers are likely related to RMT activity anyways.
Im curious to know why you think its my job to get rid of people like you.
Scamming isnt illegal BTW. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
ACE McFACE
The Scope Gallente Federation
1738
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Posted - 2014.01.08 07:57:00 -
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Gogela wrote:I am spaceship. I find that hard to believe You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument! |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2320
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:00:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote:[How about we get rid of all the contract scammers that sit in Jita scamming all day long if you want to do your job at cleaning anything up in fact most those illegal scammers are likely related to RMT activity anyways. They're not illegal, and even if they were, you can't justify your RMT activities for that reason. I guess if you thought scamming was illegal but ignored by CCP, that would explain why you thought you could get away with RMT.
Oh god. |
Jaiden Demonia
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:19:00 -
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Scamming isn't illegal but I see it as illegal, or well dumb. |
Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2069
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:23:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote: well dumb.
No, the "well dumb" are those who fall for it
Every time an greedy idiot quits because they fell for a scam, an angel gets its wingalings.
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2322
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:26:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Every time an greedy idiot quits because they fell for a scam, an angel gets its wingalings.
Also, just because you think its illegal, that don't make it so, sweetiepie. I've heard that losing all your in game possessions to a scammer can breathe new life into the game for many victims. Going back to mining in a velator and starting from scratch can be a refreshing experience and many victims of scamming are grateful that they have been freed from the bonds of a stale and unsatisfying routine. Oh god. |
Lord LazyGhost
The Bastards The Bastards.
276
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:27:00 -
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deep breath hahahahahahahahahahahah RMT got caught hahahahahahaha
nice post to wake up to already feel better |
Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2069
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:29:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Every time an greedy idiot quits because they fell for a scam, an angel gets its wingalings.
Also, just because you think its illegal, that don't make it so, sweetiepie. I've heard that losing all your in game possessions to a scammer can breathe new life into the game for many victims. Going back to mining in a velator and starting from scratch can be a refreshing experience and many victims of scamming are grateful that they have been freed from the bonds of a stale and unsatisfying routine.
Indeed, true redemption is to be reborn, knowing what you know now.
Wings of foresight and without the weight sand-bags of greed to stop you flying high. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
1021
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:30:00 -
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You are dirty until proven otherwise.....
CCP, trading shiny pictures for playability since 2003.. EvE, a cutting edge game. The only game to provide Matrix style gameplay for the masses! (trouble is, most people don't have 9 hours to waste on a one hour fight.) |
Diamond Zerg
Taking Solo Away.
29
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:51:00 -
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Start a petition, if you were doing something legit you'll probably get the ISK back. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18782
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:57:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote:If you really want to clean up this game.
How about we get rid of all the contract scammers that sit in Jita scamming all day long They're not doing anything wrong, though, so that wouldn't really clean up anything.
Quote:in fact most those illegal scammers are likely related to RMT activity anyways. How would you know this? Also, even if they did, the scams are still not illegal and they'll get whacked for what they're actually doing wrong, which is the RMT.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
98
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Posted - 2014.01.08 09:01:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote:Scamming isn't illegal but I see it as illegal, or well dumb. 500 Million ISK a day using three accounts. You shouldn't call anybody dumb, except yourself. And considering your style of writing... you would be right! ;) New player feeling neglected? You're important from day 1!!! Join the Epic Boo Bees! (female chars only, RP!)
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
612
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Posted - 2014.01.08 09:13:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote:Like seriously I make a lot of transactions this month in EVE, I sell over 3 Billion worth of resources this month in EVE, and I log back into EVE a few days later to see that my account is Negative 600 Million ISK for some odd reason. I check my transaction logs and it says something about a GM RMT Reversal first time in over many months of doing active trades between players, many contracts, and many 0 ISK/Direct Wallet trades.
I trust the people I do business with which is why I generally just do a 0 ISK transaction and let them pay me with a discount on it.
When a Reversal on an account occurs, Does this mean that the player who did the transfer with a person is given the items, or ISK back?
Those assets/isks explode/vanish/leave game.
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I file a petition on this as this is the first time doing the exact same trades, Industry/Mining that I have done for months on my account, I understand that my accounts could have been flagged like in other games due to Large Transactions in ISK in a single month but when you have 5 accounts what do you expect to happen I also do all my transactions on a single character.
I have an alt that I handed 4b of loot to in 1 go last month, and it sold it weeks later and then handed the cash to my corp - making all 3 accounts assymetric in effect. I have, over the course of a year or two where I was building 6b of ships weekly, probably racked up 100B in xferrs between the accounts, and there is a signficant overall flow of assets from this one, to the alt (since the alt account doesn't go out and shoot stuff). I've done transfers all sorts of ways, including 0 contracts, station xfers with both logged on and even cash donations and cash inputs to my corp. None of the accounts can ever be asset flow neutral really.
ie assymetry of legitimate asset flow between accounts does not get one bitten for RMT.
Quote:
I Guess what I am asking is how long does it generally take for CCP to actually fix these type of problems if they are a mistake, or let me know what is up so I can get hold of the corp/alliance, or whomever I did the transaction with so they can send the items back if it was indeed a reversal.
Currently I have 4 other accounts waiting to come back and make another 3-5 billion isk this month, but can't actively renew any of them until this little issues is taken care of and I have read that it can take weeks for anyone to get back in response to a petition, I have had some very long waits on some in the past too.
You can only be -600m and assetless if you were holding more RMT cash than your total cash position, which is a position people get into when they are consuming RMT by losing RMT'd items.
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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
439
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Posted - 2014.01.08 10:06:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:I've heard that losing all your in game possessions to a scammer can breathe new life into the game for many victims. Going back to mining in a velator and starting from scratch can be a refreshing experience and many victims of scamming are grateful that they have been freed from the bonds of a stale and unsatisfying routine.
Never fallen for a scam because I can read but sometimes I will steamroll through L1s in a Merlin for nostalgia and fun.
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1081
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Posted - 2014.01.08 10:33:00 -
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I didn't really understand what you do for a living in EvE as you were rather ambiguous about it, but it boils down to this;
You send out a lot of money or goods for zero contracts but then get something back for it you're not RMT'ing.
You send out a lot of goods or money and get nothing back, you're RMT'ing.
CCP can see every transaction you make and see your IP and the other trades made on it also, so only you and CCP know for sure.
You sound like an RMT'er to me. Only a nub thinks CCP gives 2 ***** about scammed ISK unless you try to defraud a PLEX for good event, but nubs don't have 5 accounts and trade billions. And the only reason to trade something in game for nothing in game is because you're getting something out of game in return.
Quote:I trust the people I do business with which is why I generally just do a 0 ISK transaction and let them pay me with a discount on it.
I don't understand how you can discount something beyond not paying for it.
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
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I Was There
Nigerian Drug Manufactory co.
113
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Posted - 2014.01.08 10:55:00 -
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Usually free contracts and random money transactions between two chars, would indicate alts. Maybe your client bought money through RMT, which were used to buy your minerals. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2325
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Posted - 2014.01.08 11:36:00 -
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I Was There wrote:Usually free contracts and random money transactions between two chars, would indicate alts. Maybe your client bought money through RMT, which were used to buy your minerals. Which should only matter if the accounts are linked by IP, which happens when people share accounts illegally. Oh god. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
10777
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Posted - 2014.01.08 11:44:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote:Not going to lie I could give a class on exactly how to do this in online games, and even games which support Real Money Trading like Entropia, but believe me I wouldn't use my own account for such actions, I am just not a stupid person. This statement just made me think so you got all the experience of RMT'ing and how to try to avoid it but this time you got caught...
But your best call is still like suggested, to wait and get replied from the petitions.
/c
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Rastafarian God
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.01.08 11:57:00 -
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OK as risk of sounding like a tard... what does RMT stand for?
To me thats a military term that stand for Remedial training lol.
Yes this character is new (its my forum alt... ya ya I know) but I am a ceo of a corp that is training new players in the game and to be honest, its just smarter to not use my main right now lol.
Plus I've never broke the game rules so. I've never had a reason to know the lingo.
Ive seen this a lot recently though and I am curious. Although I have only recently gotton into reading the forums after 5 years of playing.
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Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2083
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Posted - 2014.01.08 11:58:00 -
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Rastafarian God wrote:OK as risk of sounding like a tard... what does RMT stand for?
To me thats a military term that stand for Remedial training lol.
Yes this character is new (its my forum alt... ya ya I know) but I am a ceo of a corp that is training new players in the game and to be honest, its just smarter to not use my main right now lol.
Plus I've never broke the game rules so. I've never had a reason to know the lingo.
Ive seen this a lot recently though and I am curious. Although I have only recently gotton into reading the forums after 5 years of playing.
REALLY MENTAL TANGO
or possibly
RIGHT, MY TURN!
but most likely
Real money transfer (yawn boring zzzz)
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2326
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Posted - 2014.01.08 11:59:00 -
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Real Money Trading. Oh god. |
Rastafarian God
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.01.08 12:08:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Real Money Trading.
Im assuming you are the one that was honest. Honestly I have no freaking clue for sure lol. I may be a psychopath in game but I still follow the rules as far as the EULA is concerned so I've never had the need to know.
I honestly can not fathom using EVE to trade real world money. Maybe its just because I'm older then the internet, have a degree in computers. and just know better to fall for it. But still. Are we talking about the equivalent of buying gold in WOW? IF that is the case.. why would people do that in this game ESPECIALLY with the existence of PLEX? I just dont get it.
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Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2084
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Posted - 2014.01.08 12:14:00 -
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Rastafarian God wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Real Money Trading. Im assuming you are the one that was honest. Honestly I have no freaking clue for sure lol. I may be a psychopath in game but I still follow the rules as far as the EULA is concerned so I've never had the need to know. I honestly can not fathom using EVE to trade real world money. Maybe its just because I'm older then the internet, have a degree in computers. and just know better to fall for it. But still. Are we talking about the equivalent of buying gold in WOW? IF that is the case.. why would people do that in this game ESPECIALLY with the existence of PLEX? I just dont get it.
Because people try to sell Isk for far below the market value of PLEX *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
719
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Posted - 2014.01.08 12:14:00 -
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Rastafarian God wrote: I honestly can not fathom using EVE to trade real world money. Maybe its just because I'm older then the internet, have a degree in computers. and just know better to fall for it. But still. Are we talking about the equivalent of buying gold in WOW? IF that is the case.. why would people do that in this game ESPECIALLY with the existence of PLEX? I just dont get it.
Yes, it is the equivalent of buying Gold in other games. Fluffy Bunny Pic! |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
1352
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Posted - 2014.01.08 12:22:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote:Quote:Thanks to your 0 ISK transaction thing, even _if_ you didn't RMT/launder CCP can't directly tie the ISK you received to the minerals you gave. That makes a it rather difficult for them to reverse the transaction.
Not going to lie I could give a class on exactly how to do this in online games, and even games which support Real Money Trading like Entropia, but believe me I wouldn't use my own account for such actions, I am just not a stupid person. Not going to lie I could design and implement a way to track way more complicated transactions on a graph.
Still doesn't mean you have a clear transaction they can use as a basis for a refund. Nyan |
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2326
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Posted - 2014.01.08 12:25:00 -
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Rastafarian God wrote:Im assuming you are the one that was honest. Honest but not entirely innocent. I wasn't RMTing, but I logged into someone's account who was. Oh god. |
Rastafarian God
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.01.08 12:44:00 -
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Thank you for the replies to my answer. I wasnt trying to thread jack but still.
Ever since I started playing this game I've been surprised this stuff goes on. As far as game / MMO devs go, the people at CCP are like GODS. they actually care more about making a good game and doing stuff correctly then making money. Although to be fair, they know that there costumer base wants that in a company so they make money... but still lol.
If there was ever a game not to try this crap in this is it. I learned that early on and am Surprised that it still happens.
Thanks again for the edumacation.
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Jaiden Demonia
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:26:00 -
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I just found this on Google, and it leaves many open questions.
http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?t=63837\
Also it is true that CCP can see the IP of every account but what CCP Fail to understand is that a person like me who truly wanted to hide their identity behind RMT could simply use a (VPN) or (VPS) server which I own both and install EVE On it for the sole purpose of money laundry, and disposable accounts which btw you can buy 20+ CD keys off Steam when it goes for sale and just not register them for about $5 a piece.
My point is I know exactly what RMT is, I really don't give 2 cents about what RMT or Gold Farmers do unless I see someone botting in an online game where it be EVE, or Guild Wars 2, or someone spamming gold sells like in Many F2P Games I really don't care what they do with their business sure its against EULA to do Real Money Transactions, but its not my problem I make enough cash through trades to other players and use of auction house for what I need, and days that I come up short I buy Plex/ETC, or just pay with a credit-card.
Understand when I say I have spent over 10 years playing MMO's and I know what gold-sellers and illegal things people do have been a victim myself to two wow account compromises because of an Add-on which was infected even had my account perm-banned on wow for gold spamming but Blizzard gave the account and items back just as it was. I have also seen the things that players steep down to like Teleport hacking in Guild Wars 2 to obtain Items to sell them these are the type of actions I would never support in any online game and if I knew a transaction was Dirty in EVE I would never accept a trade knowingly that came from a compromised account, or illegally obtained items through use of bots, but then again how is everyone supposed to know when a Trade is always bad to me its a matter of trust, and respect for the gaming community not to do dishonorable acts including (Scamming) which some people agree with is a part of EVE sure its a part of EVE but to me it is not something that I would do to others.
I have also seen game companies that sit by and doing nothing as well like NcSoft when my L2 account was compromised due to a exploit when their game went F2P along with some other players GM did absolutely nothing, but claim its my fault when my account was secure for over 5 years until 24 hours after it goes F2P, makes perfect sense.
In General I could go on and on all day about RMT, and ways to circumvent bans/exploits in online games because I do lots of Alpha, and Beta tests in online games often find issues including security issues in recent browser RPG games which I report to devs.
Yes of course there is no choice to but to wait for a response from the petition, I just hope it doesn't take a long time to get this sorted out because I have a mining fleet I have to get back up and running again and every day it takes its a loss of profit. |
Careby
Careby Exploration
169
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:31:00 -
[44] - Quote
Jaiden Demonia wrote:...Currently I have 4 other accounts waiting to come back and make another 3-5 billion isk this month, but can't actively renew any of them until this little issues is taken care of and I have read that it can take weeks for anyone to get back in response to a petition, I have had some very long waits on some in the past too. Look on the bright side - you haven't been banned from the game, and you're only one plex in the hole. Do what you need to do to get your balance back to positive (ideally, this won't include a transfer of RMT isk) and put your mad isk-making skills to work. You'll be space rich in short order.
Sarcasm is OP |
Gregor Parud
102
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:31:00 -
[45] - Quote
Jaiden Demonia wrote:Usually what I do is offer my resources at discounted price to players and Corps I know in EVE in a contract for 0 ISK, I let them pay me because I trust them I actually know the people I contract it to if not I wouldn't contract it for 0 ISK.
They pay me directly to wallet, or later in some way if I agree to it usually its directly to wallet most of the time though.
You realise no one is actually going to fall for that hilarious "explanation", right? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18784
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:33:00 -
[46] - Quote
Jaiden Demonia wrote:Also it is true that CCP can see the IP of every account but what CCP Fail to understand is that a person like me who truly wanted to hide their identity behind RMT could simply use a (VPN) or (VPS) server which I own both and install EVE On it for the sole purpose of money laundry, and disposable accounts which btw you can buy 20+ CD keys off Steam when it goes for sale and just not register them for about $5 a piece. GǪnone of which would actually launder any money or hide your identity. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2088
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:36:00 -
[47] - Quote
Jaiden Demonia wrote:
Yes of course there is no choice to but to wait for a response from the petition, I just hope it doesn't take a long time to get this sorted out because I have a mining fleet I have to get back up and running again and every day it takes its a loss of profit.
The first half explains why your "I know it all" rant is meaningless and has no effect on what people think about your situation (which, bTW you obviously care about or you wouldnt have posted any of this in the first place).
The second half explains why even less people have sympathy for you than they did before you posted your comment.
And before you say something witty about my opinion having no effect on you, I dont care if you dont care.
The opinions of your kind are of little concern to me.
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
RAIN Arthie
The Ascended Fleet Intrepid Crossing
189
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:47:00 -
[48] - Quote
RMT they will cry about, but not bullying. Nobody said EVE was a moral business practice. You can lie and say that your war decing people to raise money for a "good cause" and get away with it (against the law everywhere). Your best bet is to walk away. |
Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2092
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:53:00 -
[49] - Quote
RAIN Arthie wrote: You can lie and say that your war decing people to raise money for a "good cause" and get away with it (against the law everywhere).
Unless you are a country.
They do that ship all the time.
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
101
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:58:00 -
[50] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Jaiden Demonia wrote:
Yes of course there is no choice to but to wait for a response from the petition, I just hope it doesn't take a long time to get this sorted out because I have a mining fleet I have to get back up and running again and every day it takes its a loss of profit.
The first half explains why your "I know it all" rant is meaningless and has no effect on what people think about your situation (which, BTW you obviously care about or you wouldnt have posted any of this in the first place). The second half explains why even less people have sympathy for you than they did before you posted your comment. And before you say something witty about my opinion having no effect on you, I dont care if you dont care. The opinions of your kind are of little concern to me. It doesn't make sense to begin with.
If she wanted to make money, she wouldn't waste three accounts with mining. Even if she needed minerals, there are activities bringing in much more ISM in less time, allowing to buy more minerals than she could be mining in the same timeframe.
Yet she whines about profit. Ridiculous 3-5 billion a month. It makes no sense. She smells fishy ... guess she should take a shower ... eeeewwww -.- New player feeling neglected? You're important from day 1!!! Join the Epic Boo Bees! (female chars only, RP!)
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
15538
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:59:00 -
[51] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:RAIN Arthie wrote: You can lie and say that your war decing people to raise money for a "good cause" and get away with it (against the law everywhere). Unless you are a country. They do that ship all the time. It's for their own good being, honestly. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
613
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Posted - 2014.01.08 14:14:00 -
[52] - Quote
Jaiden Demonia wrote:Quote:Thanks to your 0 ISK transaction thing, even _if_ you didn't RMT/launder CCP can't directly tie the ISK you received to the minerals you gave. That makes a it rather difficult for them to reverse the transaction.
Not going to lie I could give a class on exactly how to do this in online games, and even games which support Real Money Trading like Entropia, but believe me I wouldn't use my own account for such actions, I am just not a stupid person.
CCP doesn't need to initially detect RMT via transaction anomalies at the final beneficiary. ie that almost certainly isn't how they detect.
They just need to hunt bots, hunt advertising RMT sources and keep an eye on isoboxers and certain huge asset piles as plex caps the price of ISK to be borderline or likely below human farming outside of asset pile skimming. Once you have the source, it takes tremendous inefficiency to hide a significant beneficiary, (which pushes it further into the realm of bot only).
Also the server moves (and can log) assets from database to simulation when you undock with them and vice versa, so space games won't hide them either.
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Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1839
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Posted - 2014.01.08 14:19:00 -
[53] - Quote
I never really understood why people come here to cry over getting caught in RMT'ing... I don't get it. Sorry. It can't be about shame, because they're anonymous behind a pixel wall, the penalty isn't tied to their personal credit device (credit card, debit card, etc), their account is still active...
I just don't get it. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5310
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Posted - 2014.01.08 14:22:00 -
[54] - Quote
1: Contracts are in game for a reason. There is no legitimate reason not to use them.
2: It doesn't matter if you trust someone, if they obtained their ISK or assets via RMT and you received them... you will have them yanked from your account when they get caught.
3: You're making it painfully apparent your hands aren't clean, you should probably stop posting. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18784
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Posted - 2014.01.08 14:28:00 -
[55] - Quote
Ginger Barbarella wrote:I just don't get it. When someone thinks they've outsmarted the devs and beaten the system, being beaten to a pulp by that system exposes that they'reGǪ less cleverGǪ and that tends to elicit this kind of reaction.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
544
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Posted - 2014.01.08 14:29:00 -
[56] - Quote
RAIN Arthie wrote:RMT they will cry about, but not bullying. Nobody said EVE was a moral business practice. You can lie and say that your war decing people to raise money for a "good cause" and get away with it (against the law everywhere). Your best bet is to walk away.
This thread is about OP being an RMT'er not the Iraq war mate. here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY |
Vipre Morte
Team JK
65
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Posted - 2014.01.08 14:29:00 -
[57] - Quote
Gogela wrote:I am spaceship.
OMG me too!!! I thought I was the only one!!! |
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
390
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Posted - 2014.01.08 14:33:00 -
[58] - Quote
Either Your 0 isk shenanigans were an attempt to launder your own RMTing or You were unlucky and received a large amount of RMTed isk
Either way CCP has now removed the RMTed isk from the game. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2869
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:48:00 -
[59] - Quote
Jaiden Demonia wrote:Like seriously I make a lot of transactions this month in EVE, I sell over 3 Billion worth of resources this month in EVE, and I log back into EVE a few days later to see that my account is Negative 600 Million ISK for some odd reason. RMT is bad, m'kay? Even if you weren't the one who did it.
Seeking answers to RMT 'corrections' in the EVE-O fora is also bad, m'kay? Petition, and expect the process ot be sloooooooow. After all, there are more pressing issues than yours, and there are a LOT of logs to check if they are to clear your name.
Xurr wrote:
Anyhow all you can do is wait for a response, aside from being viciously mocked on the forums.
^^ This. Especially the 'mocking' part. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
455
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Posted - 2014.01.08 16:10:00 -
[60] - Quote
Rastafarian God wrote:I honestly can not fathom using EVE to trade real world money. Maybe its just because I'm older then the internet, have a degree in computers. and just know better to fall for it
Wow. I'd bet that a lot of this community falls into that older than the internet, degree in computer science, and just know better crowd.
0/
Rastafarian God wrote:But still. Are we talking about the equivalent of buying gold in WOW? IF that is the case.. why would people do that in this game ESPECIALLY with the existence of PLEX? I just dont get it.
That is exactly what we are talking about except that I think the alleged infraction here is that the OP is accused of giving items to someone and getting nothing in-game for them so perhaps getting Real World currencies instead.
As far as why people do that - I think it's because they are, at least in general, stupid.
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2869
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Posted - 2014.01.08 16:12:00 -
[61] - Quote
Lugalbandak wrote:when you leave , can i haz your stuff? Nope. She haz no stuffs left to give! Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Sakaron Hefdover
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2014.01.08 16:14:00 -
[62] - Quote
Jaiden Demonia wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:TL;DR RMTer finally gets what she had coming. And I don't care if you say you weren't. I really couldn't care less how you defend it. Jaiden Demonia wrote:
Thanks, then I won't be renewing my other 4 accounts for awhile then their loss of money from a paying customer not that it matters.
Good. Keep New Eden Tidy. Jaiden Demonia wrote:being viciously mocked on the forums. No more than you deserve. If you really want to clean up this game. How about we get rid of all the contract scammers that sit in Jita scamming all day long if you want to do your job at cleaning anything up in fact most those illegal scammers are likely related to RMT activity anyways.
They scam for dosh. If they had dosh. They wouldn't scam. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
8968
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Posted - 2014.01.08 16:20:00 -
[63] - Quote
I love these threads.
I meant to say: I love the smell of RMTer tears in the morning. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
221
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Posted - 2014.01.08 16:24:00 -
[64] - Quote
A group of squaddies from Battleground Europe came over to Eve to try it.
They then discovered these RMT people and enthusiastically embraced it. I warned them that what they were doing was against EULA and they shouldn't do it because of this and just because it was wrong. They laughed. NAwwww they don't enforce this...says the scads of people with less than a month experience in Eve.
CCP banned them within days, en mass. Only an alt of mine who joined the corp and one other was all that was left of the 30 man corp.
I smiled. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1547
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Posted - 2014.01.08 16:27:00 -
[65] - Quote
Posting in a "I got caught with RMT'd ISK and now I has a negative wallet, General Discussion do something! wwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!" thread... ... |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
457
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Posted - 2014.01.08 16:39:00 -
[66] - Quote
Rastafarian God wrote:As far as game / MMO devs go, the people at CCP are like GODS. they actually care more about making a good game and doing stuff correctly then making money.
There was this one time... monocle.
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
650
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Posted - 2014.01.08 17:05:00 -
[67] - Quote
Every RMTer ever: CCP reversed my wallet! I would never, ever, in a million years, begin to consider realising the possibility of perhaps thinking about the notion of intending to maybe purchase RMT isk. Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2014.01.08 17:10:00 -
[68] - Quote
Glad to hear some action is being taken against RMT. Now can we deal with the spamming in every hub please? And the trade window issues? |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1547
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Posted - 2014.01.08 17:16:00 -
[69] - Quote
Kimmi Chan wrote:Rastafarian God wrote:As far as game / MMO devs go, the people at CCP are like GODS. they actually care more about making a good game and doing stuff correctly then making money. There was this one time... monocle. There was this other time.........Dust 514 ... |
Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2014.01.08 17:18:00 -
[70] - Quote
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:Rastafarian God wrote:As far as game / MMO devs go, the people at CCP are like GODS. they actually care more about making a good game and doing stuff correctly then making money. There was this one time... monocle. There was this other time.........Dust 514
There was this other time....NEX store |
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Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1547
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Posted - 2014.01.08 17:21:00 -
[71] - Quote
Notorious Fellon wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:Rastafarian God wrote:As far as game / MMO devs go, the people at CCP are like GODS. they actually care more about making a good game and doing stuff correctly then making money. There was this one time... monocle. There was this other time.........Dust 514 There was this other time....NEX store
There was this other time....Greed is Good ... |
Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
14
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Posted - 2014.01.08 17:42:00 -
[72] - Quote
Jaiden Demonia wrote:Scamming isn't illegal but I see it as illegal, or well dumb.
I sense much RMT in this one... |
Xurr
Angelic Insurrection Corp
60
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Posted - 2014.01.08 17:50:00 -
[73] - Quote
Themanfromdalmontee wrote:Jaiden Demonia wrote:Scamming isn't illegal but I see it as illegal, or well dumb. I sense much RMT in this one...
It looks like you have a power frown. |
Tollen Gallen
Xionworld
4974
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Posted - 2014.01.08 18:17:00 -
[74] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:HAH
Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Carmen Electra - You are also on my block list. |
Ambassador Crane
Hellhound Productions
118
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Posted - 2014.01.08 18:31:00 -
[75] - Quote
Notorious Fellon wrote:Glad to hear some action is being taken against RMT. Now can we deal with the spamming in every hub please? And the trade window issues?
Story goes a GM dropped into Jita one day. After a bit, he stated, "Watch this." Suddenly Jita local went quiet except for regular conversation. I visited Jita few days later. I couldn't believe how slowly my local chat window was scrolling. Unfortunately, was there a couple days ago and seems its nearly back to its original state.
TL:DR: It IS possible. Whatever the GM did that day, wish it would happen more often. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
820
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Posted - 2014.01.08 18:59:00 -
[76] - Quote
RMT is bad. Mmmk. |
Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
15
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Posted - 2014.01.08 19:14:00 -
[77] - Quote
Ambassador Crane wrote:Notorious Fellon wrote:Glad to hear some action is being taken against RMT. Now can we deal with the spamming in every hub please? And the trade window issues? Story goes a GM dropped into Jita one day. After a bit, he stated, "Watch this." Suddenly Jita local went quiet except for regular conversation. I visited Jita few days later. I couldn't believe how slowly my local chat window was scrolling. Unfortunately, was there a couple days ago and seems its nearly back to its original state. TL:DR: It IS possible. Whatever the GM did that day, wish it would happen more often.
I wish I was there that day...the day Jita went quiet...
I would have cried...like a baby |
Eru GoEller
State War Academy Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2014.01.08 20:14:00 -
[78] - Quote
Themanfromdalmontee wrote:Ambassador Crane wrote:Notorious Fellon wrote:Glad to hear some action is being taken against RMT. Now can we deal with the spamming in every hub please? And the trade window issues? Story goes a GM dropped into Jita one day. After a bit, he stated, "Watch this." Suddenly Jita local went quiet except for regular conversation. I visited Jita few days later. I couldn't believe how slowly my local chat window was scrolling. Unfortunately, was there a couple days ago and seems its nearly back to its original state. TL:DR: It IS possible. Whatever the GM did that day, wish it would happen more often. I wish I was there that day...the day Jita went quiet... I would have cried...like a baby Would that be crying in local?, then there's no silence! |
Big Lynx
Super Heroes In Training
54
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Posted - 2014.01.08 21:53:00 -
[79] - Quote
Bananarama? |
kes88
Swords of Persephone
43
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Posted - 2014.01.08 21:54:00 -
[80] - Quote
Themanfromdalmontee wrote:Ambassador Crane wrote:Notorious Fellon wrote:Glad to hear some action is being taken against RMT. Now can we deal with the spamming in every hub please? And the trade window issues? Story goes a GM dropped into Jita one day. After a bit, he stated, "Watch this." Suddenly Jita local went quiet except for regular conversation. I visited Jita few days later. I couldn't believe how slowly my local chat window was scrolling. Unfortunately, was there a couple days ago and seems its nearly back to its original state. TL:DR: It IS possible. Whatever the GM did that day, wish it would happen more often. I wish I was there that day...the day Jita went quiet... I would have cried...like a baby
You should have been in Dodi on New Year's Day. Not a peep. I think someone actually just wrote "shhhh".
The non-scamming quotient of Dodi silenced Local with their hangovers. |
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
128
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:00:00 -
[81] - Quote
kes88 wrote:Themanfromdalmontee wrote:Ambassador Crane wrote:Notorious Fellon wrote:Glad to hear some action is being taken against RMT. Now can we deal with the spamming in every hub please? And the trade window issues? Story goes a GM dropped into Jita one day. After a bit, he stated, "Watch this." Suddenly Jita local went quiet except for regular conversation. I visited Jita few days later. I couldn't believe how slowly my local chat window was scrolling. Unfortunately, was there a couple days ago and seems its nearly back to its original state. TL:DR: It IS possible. Whatever the GM did that day, wish it would happen more often. I wish I was there that day...the day Jita went quiet... I would have cried...like a baby You should have been in Dodi on New Year's Day. Not a peep. I think someone actually just wrote "shhhh". The non-scamming quotient of Dodi silenced Local with their hangovers.
Oddly when you block the scammers in Dodi/Ammar/Jita it is actually quiet and all those random strange comments suddenly make sense and are part of a conversation.
Hek on the other hand never seems to get scammers, the locals are too busy posting up "Hey anyone want to duel in BCs ..." . |
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Stillwater Corporation
203
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:19:00 -
[82] - Quote
I do so enjoy watching all of these RMT customers lambasting someone for proclaiming their innocence.
What they seem to be missing is that she was clearly supporting her multiple accounts through PLEX, which is, of course, CCP's own little RMT market that has been "legitimized" due to the fact that CCP collects the money instead of some dirty little pleb player.
The question that should thus be asked is: Why would someone who is buying PLEX with ISK be bothered with RMT? That is to say, if she is already utilizing CCP's own legitimized RMT to support their multiple accounts then what purpose would she have for engaging in illegal RMT as well? This would be akin to someone who owns a taxi company stealing a car to get somewhere.
But alas, CCP is not the USA, and thus they can very well declare someone "guilty until proven innocent." However, considering that her constant legitimate PLEX purchases puts money into CCP's bank accounts I am confident that they will eventually clear her of these inane charges.
Besides, RMTers are rarely multi-box bot hisec miners. Most of them are multi-box bot nullsec ratters. The multi-box bot miners are almost always PLEX buyers, and thus exactly the sort of "model customer" that CCP desires. The sound of the Amarrian heart |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
629
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:20:00 -
[83] - Quote
Bwahahahahahahaa!
Thanks! Good laugh, yo. CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace! -á~ Me |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18791
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:26:00 -
[84] - Quote
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:I do so enjoy watching all of these RMT customers lambasting someone for proclaiming their innocence. I think you're posting in the wrong thread. Around here, we're simply enjoying an RMTer trying to proclaim their innocence.
Quote:What they seem to be missing is that she was clearly supporting her multiple accounts through PLEX GǪa detail that clearly came in a lot later than the original story.
Quote:Besides, RMTers are rarely multi-box bot hisec miners. Most of them are multi-box bot nullsec ratters. How would you know this?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4382
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:37:00 -
[85] - Quote
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:Besides, RMTers are rarely multi-box bot hisec miners. Most of them are multi-box bot nullsec ratters.
Not according to the numbers CCP has given us.
This user won the forums on 18/09/2013, then lost on 18/12/2013. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1840
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:42:00 -
[86] - Quote
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:I do so enjoy watching all of these RMT customers lambasting someone for proclaiming their innocence.
What they seem to be missing is that she was clearly supporting her multiple accounts through PLEX, which is, of course, CCP's own little RMT market that has been "legitimized" due to the fact that CCP collects the money instead of some dirty little pleb player.
The question that should thus be asked is: Why would someone who is buying PLEX with ISK be bothered with RMT? That is to say, if she is already utilizing CCP's own legitimized RMT to support their multiple accounts then what purpose would she have for engaging in illegal RMT as well? This would be akin to someone who owns a taxi company stealing a car to get somewhere.
But alas, CCP is not the USA, and thus they can very well declare someone "guilty until proven innocent." However, considering that her constant legitimate PLEX purchases puts money into CCP's bank accounts I am confident that they will eventually clear her of these inane charges.
Besides, RMTers are rarely multi-box bot hisec miners. Most of them are multi-box bot nullsec ratters. The multi-box bot miners are almost always PLEX buyers, and thus exactly the sort of "model customer" that CCP desires.
Wow. You really don't have a clue how this stuff works, do you? Awesome... "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:48:00 -
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Quote: Besides, RMTers are rarelyreally multi-box bot hisec miners.
FTFY
CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace! -á~ Me |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18792
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:54:00 -
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Also, for the record, what everyone is hoping and praying for is a repeat of this.
It happened so very rarely back then and is probably against policy nowGǪ but when it did happen, it was glorious. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
630
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Posted - 2014.01.08 23:05:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Also, for the record, what everyone is hoping and praying for is a repeat of this. It happened so very rarely back then and is probably against policy nowGǪ but when it did happen, it was glorious. Golden. Before my time,but really excellent. I wonder if anyone tried to follow the link "www.idiotiskbuyersareus.com ..?" CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace! -á~ Me |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1085
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Posted - 2014.01.08 23:32:00 -
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Quote:Also it is true that CCP can see the IP of every account but what CCP Fail to understand is that a person like me who truly wanted to hide their identity behind RMT could simply use a (VPN) or (VPS) server which I own both and install EVE On it for the sole purpose of money laundry, and disposable accounts which btw you can buy 20+ CD keys off Steam when it goes for sale and just not register them for about $5 a piece.
Brilliant. You have a VPN and so they don't see the IP. They see the ISK trading hands and ban all the accounts involved and never know who it belonged to. I cant stress how smart you are. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
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Jaiden Demonia
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.09 10:48:00 -
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Since CCP has taken the actions of Removing isk from a (illegal Transaction) which took place which I am unaware of exactly what transaction it was, there are lots of unanswered questions.
It appears I actually got an EVE, mail explaining the issue, apparently one of the transactions came from an illegal source, which is the first time in Years of having my account that any transaction I have done has came from a (RMT) source that I am aware of because this is the first time I have ever got ISK removed from my account or GM warning.
The EVE Mail, Provided no Evidence of (RMT) activity, all it said is that because I got items or currency from another character involved with "RMT" They could only conclude that I illegally used Real Money to purchase goods, but can't otherwise prove this.
Anyways because I have been playing EVE a lot I have done a lot of research on the issue, and the EVE Mail I received, and I have serious questions about the EULA that maybe someone can answer a couple of examples for me so I can possibly avoid getting more isk removed in the future.
1.) Lets take for example my Corp owns a Worm-Hole, and someone wants to buy it my corp is loosing members who no longer play so I decide to sell it I say 4 billion ISK it is yours, and someone just sends me the money directly, or has someone from their corp or from outside of the corp pay me 4 billion ISK, I pack up along with my other mates we leave and let them have it, (Just an example.)
. Now what am I supposed to do if a GM comes to me 3 days later removes my ISK without warning, and without telling me the transaction is from an illegal source, how am I supposed to know that the currency/items I am getting is illegally obtained by Bots, Cheaters, or hackers from compromised accounts, I have had accounts hacked in other games before and would never knowingly support such activity or accept such.
2.) Lets take for example the EULA 6b. I am confused about it based on their EULA, I am not allowed to pay any type of (Real Money, or in my case USD.) For goods.
.The EULA does not say that a friend cant send me 20 billion ISK, and that the GM may remove it from my account.
. It also doesn't say that I am not allowed to exchange currency between games of course its not supported by EVE but take for example I played World OF warcraft for 20 hours this week, and someone agrees to give me 500 million isk for 1000 wow gold, this under their EULA if I understand it would be totally legit.
In general the EULA is very specific about Real Money Trades meaning if I never paid (Real Money) then the trade is Legit even if the goods come from an (illegal Source.) Its not my Job to know where the ISK comes from or run back-ground checks on every single person.
I am not really debating a suspension, but I would Love to understand, and know how the heck I am supposed to know where every transaction I do in EVE is Legit or not there are some circumstances which EVE can improperly punish players when they don't know why a person has done a trade, or things like WH selling where the player doesn't give items only gets items.
On some other thoughts related to the issue, this is a copy of the *EVE Mail* which I got which includes no GM's names because posting the GM's names would not be legal I am sure but I would like to drop my thoughts on what I read.
http://pastebin.com/HyvwLFq0
As I said I would never Do a transaction with someone I knew was involved with types of illegal activity's let alone account hacking, or botting, this is one of the trades out of many trades I have made during my EVE time which has been removed by a GM, and I have had my EVE account in good standing for years, perhaps I just did business with the wrong group of people, but besides this point, I would like to point out some suggestions and opinions to improve (EVE) based on what I read here.
. Preventing Account Hacking, as CCP states account hacking is a common thing in online MMO's I have been victim of account hacks before, but it would be great if CCP could add a feature called (IP Verification) similar to what (Guild Wars 2) has basically when a person logs in from a (New IP Address) they are required to go to their email and click a link to verify its them meaning that any account compromise would mean that a person would have to have access to the victims Email as well, this could be fixed so that a person can enable or disable this feature through account management, but help prevent illegal hijackings.
. It is indeed CCP's responsibility to prevent the market from being flooded by illegal bot goods, so when it comes to illegal resources such as botting this is where CCP needs to step in and ban the botters before they can do harm to the economy, I know a botter I have seen for months running in high-sec mining all the time, but nothing ever gets done about them. In fact people I know enjoy blowing up his ships constantly aka ganking.
Also on another Topic, Yes Plex is a form of (RMT) but the only thing wrong with the plex system is that each (plex) costs $19 USD, A Subscription costs $15 USD, and a Billion ISK based on a google search costs around $19 USD, I never buy ISK but after the search this is what I come up with. And Plex themselves sell for 600 Million ISK and you get the picture. The best way I prefer to pay for multiple accounts when it comes to this is Mining to buy Plex with the Billions of ISK I make because it over-all costs less than paying $19 per plex which is slightly jacked up if it were me I would lower (Plex) to around the same costs as a subscription and offer discounts on multi-plex bundles. (GW2) has actually Combat Gold Selling by doing this with the Gems, and currency exchange via the Cash Shop so a lot of players actually pay the game company for gems rather than engage in illegal RMT.
17+ hours no response yet, hopefully they fix or I quit in 24 days. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18798
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Posted - 2014.01.09 11:31:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote:17+ hours no response yet, hopefully they fix or I quit in 24 days. Since you're quitting, can I have your stuff?
Don't worry about me, when I get it, I'll start a ticket and ask the GMs if it's legit or if some RMTer is trying a poison pill injection. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Xurr
Angelic Insurrection Corp
63
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Posted - 2014.01.09 14:01:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jaiden Demonia wrote:17+ hours no response yet, hopefully they fix or I quit in 24 days. Since you're quitting, can I have your stuff? Don't worry about me, when I get it, I'll start a ticket and ask the GMs if it's legit or if some RMTer is trying a poison pill injection.
With a negative balance I think he has to jettison the stuff in space just to transfer it.
That said, I'm not sure this isn't an elaborate troll. Random capitalization, commas inserted for fun and goofy continued replies. |
Gregor Parud
107
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Also, for the record, what everyone is hoping and praying for is a repeat of this. It happened so very rarely back then and is probably against policy nowGǪ but when it did happen, it was glorious.
Against policy? WHY?
Carebears truly have taken over CCP.
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Gregor Parud
107
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:24:00 -
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Xurr wrote:Tippia wrote:Jaiden Demonia wrote:17+ hours no response yet, hopefully they fix or I quit in 24 days. Since you're quitting, can I have your stuff? Don't worry about me, when I get it, I'll start a ticket and ask the GMs if it's legit or if some RMTer is trying a poison pill injection. With a negative balance I think he has to jettison the stuff in space just to transfer it. That said, I'm not sure this isn't an elaborate troll. Random capitalization, commas inserted for fun and goofy continued replies.
Stupid people do stupid things and write... stupidly?
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Venusa
TunDraGon
34
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:49:00 -
[96] - Quote
OP is a really bad liar who got caught red handed. The more you post, the funnier it goes. |
HTC NecoSino
Zero Frequency Disavowed.
52
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:59:00 -
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Jaiden Demonia wrote: How about we get rid of all the contract scammers that sit in Jita scamming all day long if you want to do your job at cleaning anything up in fact most those illegal scammers are likely related to RMT activity anyways.
Avoid the scammers Live in a wormhole |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
635
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Posted - 2014.01.09 22:09:00 -
[98] - Quote
Wall o' Text strikes for maximum damage: Mine augen! CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace! -á~ Me |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
530
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Posted - 2014.01.09 22:14:00 -
[99] - Quote
Xurr wrote:
With a negative balance I think he has to jettison the stuff in space just to transfer it.
I thought this as well, but besides in station trading you could put up a WTB contract to him. That way you would have to even be in the same station with him. CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
764
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Posted - 2014.01.10 00:09:00 -
[100] - Quote
Thread closed for obvious reasons.
The rules: 9. Posting of private CCP communication is prohibited.
The posting of private communication between the Game Masters, EVE Team members, Moderators, Administrators of the forums and forum users is prohibited. CCP respect the right of our players to privacy and as such you are not permitted to publicize private correspondence (including petition responses and emails) received from any of the aforementioned parties.
10. Discussion of warnings and bans is prohibited.
Such matters shall remain private between CCP and the involved user. Questions or comments concerning warnings and bans will be conveyed through email or private messaging. CCP respect the right of our players to privacy and as such you are not permitted to publicize private correspondence (including petition responses and emails) received from any of the aforementioned parties.
21. Posting regarding RMT (Real Money Trading) is prohibited.
Posts discussing, linking to, or advertising RMT, including but not limited to the sale of in game items, assets, currency, characters or game accounts for real life money are strictly prohibited. ISD Ezwal Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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