Don't stop with warp to zero. Why not also auto MWD+cloak and dock at final destination. I know you want it soon.

CCP never wanted people to warp to zero

They why didn't they simply make the 15km distance radial?

As in, you warp to your target, and you come in 15km away in a random direction? There, I just kept WT15 and at the same time destroyed all WTZ bookmarks.

Not being able to warp to zero on autopilot is meant to reward players who actually sit at the keyboard (a reward that comes in the form of less time taken to travel).

CCP never wanted people to warp to zero

Hey Im not arguing the lack of logic in their decision. ;) I was around for the WTZ change, and am only speaking on what CCP told us at the time about their reluctance to allow WTZ, and the reasons behind it.

And they could do it in a way to reduce travel time while still retaining campers' ability to get their pound of flesh.

I'm considering starting up an assembly hall thread, but those aren't good for my health.

I really think this would be a good change, but I'm trying to figure out if there are angles I haven't covered yet.

Basically, there are three types of people who'd use APWTZ:

1) Regular attentive pilots
2) AFK lowsec/nullsec pilots
3) AFK highsec pilots

For 1, there's no practical change. A person at the keyboard APWTZing is no safer or faster than if they were piloting manually. They just have to deal with less tedium. For 2, it's a non-issue: AFK low and nullsec autopiloters don't exist, currently.

The key is 3, mainly in the effects it'd have on suicide gankers.

I'd argue the change is highly desirable for suicide gankers because while it'd become much harder to kill autopiloters in transit, there'd be an enormous jump in autopiloters AFK on destination, because all the old autopilot AFKers would still autopilot AFK, and there'd be new ones who'd do it too (ie those who are only going to be AFK for, say, 15 minutes instead of 6 hours) who'd also be vulnerable.

But I might be missing something. Any ideas, guys?

Jita Lag. Server stress. Enjoy.

I really think this would be a good change, but I'm trying to figure out if there are angles I haven't covered yet.

linkage to post warp to zero history


Warp-to-0, instas, and you...

There once was a time when there was no warp-to-0. This was a horrible time where people were forced to warp within 15 kilometers of a gate and fly within 2.5km of the gate before jumping and to start the process anew. This was the dark ages of pirates, where pilots were actually vulnerable when travelling. Pilots were unjustly forced to use higher-brain functions by looking at the map and plotting a safe course around potential gate camps. Pilots who lacked such higher-brain functions were left to die miserably to the gate camps.

One day, such a pilot suddenly had a stroke of uncharacteristic genius! In his frequently travelled systems, he could create bookmarks approximately 12-15km from the gate such that when he warped from one gate to the bookmark, he would land directly on top of it! Thus instas, and the great bookmark revolution began. Everyone began creating instas for their favorite systems. It was soon discovered that as the number of gates increased in a system, the number of instas that you need to complete the "set", so to speak, grew exponentially. Soon, an entire market sprang up out of nowhere, based upon the sale of large areas of instas!

This is when the glorious instas showed their dark side. With so many millions upon millions of instas in existence they slowly gave birth to a demon of pure lag. Tales are told of pilots who accidentally opened their people and places window and were forced to wait an eternity as the instas finished loading.

Meanwhile, people continued to use instas, and they became a integral part of EVE. Entire alliances kept sets of bookmarks for the regions of space they occupied. Escrow was filled with advertisements selling thousands upon thousands of bookmarks. Pirates and carebears a like would not be caught anywhere near low sec or 0.0 without a full set of instas.

As the problems continued, TQ slowly grinded to a halt. It was then that CCP decided that something must be done! They asked players for ideas. It was then that 4 mighty factions on the Features and Ideas forum formed. The WTZ faction, the Nuke Instas faction, the Starmaps faction, and the corporate bookmarks faction. Each faction waged bitter forum war against each other, deciding that their solution to the insta problem was correct. In general, the pirates favored the Nuke Instas option, while carebears favored the WTZ option. Those in the middle favored Starmaps or corporate bookmarks. After a long bloody war that left no soul unscathed, CCP decided that instas had become too important to remove. On top of this, Starmaps and corporate bookmarks would require too much code, and/or would not yield enough decrease in lag (though I still of the fervant opinion that Starmaps would've been much cooler, and still to this day disagree with Maya on this point). It was then that Warp To 0km was championed by CCP. A great treaty was signed by all of the forum warriors that Warp To 0km on Autopilot was a pandoras box that if opened, would end all concepts of danger from low sec and 0.0. Thus CCP did not allow Autopilot to utilize WTZ. Thus as CCP introduced WTZ, The Great Bookmark Massacre began, as millions upon millions of instas were mercilessly slaughtered.

And this brings us to today...

What is your trade-off?

and thus ended with a mutual agreement between players

CCP never wanted autopilot to warp to zero. Autopilot is for those who do not care enough for their safety to manually fly.

LOL. When travelling long distances I use Autopilot AND Warp to 0.

1. Warp to Zero and hit CTRL-S to activate Autopilot.
2. Do something else on my second monitor.
3. "Autopilot jumping" audio prompts me to return to game.
4. Hit CTRL-S to disable Autopilot.
5. Warp to Zero and hit CTRL-S to activate Autopilot.
6. Do something else on my second monitor.
7. Rinse and repeat...

Dear CCP,

With all the stuff that you are fixing, can you remove the autopilot-not-warping-to-zero "feature" as well?

It is obviously outdated and plain stupid.

Tired Finger

lol

1. Warp to Zero.
2. Activate Autopilot.
3. Do what you want until you hear the jumpsound
4. While Autopilot waits a few seconds, Warp to Zero.
2. ... 3. ...

LOL

Same process. Less detail?

The tradeoff is implicit. The drawback of AFK autopiloting is that you're AFK. That means you can't respond to in-game changes, can't activate your modules, can't check local markets, can't discuss matters with your corp.. do I really need to go on?

Then what is the difference between warp to zero and warp to 15 if you are AFK. None, except for the reduced traveling time but as you're AFK it makes no difference.

Wrap to zero was a terrible change