. An MTU uses 100 cubic metres of your cargo hold and cannot be pulled in while any cargo in inside them.

Both units had cargo and I was using them because of travel time effects efficiency which is the reason for the MTU's.

I could not take the cargo from any MTU as at the time I was full or to far away from the MTU being I had two out.

Only two ships were present at the time a Venture and an unknown T1 scanning probe frigate ship

I knew at that time I was able to defend my MTU's with my drones from the low. After the Slicer navy issue came in (it warped in) all my chances were scrambled and the slicer attacked my drones which then attacked him. That is when the warp tacklers came in and I thought I would be able to wait it out not knowing any better

An MTU has a capacity of 27 000 cubic meter's they are in game considered *secure* in the sense that only people in your fleet or yourself can access them. An MTU uses 100 cubic metres of your cargo hold and cannot be pulled in while any cargo in inside them. Both units had cargo and I was using them because of travel time effects efficiency which is the reason for the MTU's.

The Procurer has a cargo hold of 12 000 cubic metres and one Icicle is 1 000 cubic metres.

I could not take the cargo from any MTU as at the time I was full or to far away from the MTU being I had two out.

Only two ships were present at the time a Venture and an unknown T1 scanning probe frigate ship I knew at that time I was able to defend my MTU's with my drones from the low. After the Slicer navy issue came in (it warped in) all my chances were scrambled and the slicer attacked my drones which then attacked him. That is when the warp tacklers came in and I thought I would be able to wait it out not knowing any better

I would never in a million years put one of these MTUs out. The cargohold on a Golem is fine and the bonus to tractors is great. Once a room is clear it IS a pain in the ass getting all the wrecks and often I wait until a target is <40k out before firing so I don't have to slowboat to within the range of the tractors. Too often though the Battleship rats will sit out at >40k. Solution, MWD. That's right! I put a ******* MWD on a Golem for efficiency.

Posting in a "I don't know how mechanics work" thread...

MTU's are supposed to be used in nullsec for ratting. Using them in highsec is just a way to get yourself killed espacially if you set your drones to "aggressive".

Its an item


Its "supposed " to be used in any way you find useful

I want to discuss something I had happen to me today in Eve. I was mining an Icicle belt in Warouh which is 0.5 security space when I had a Venture and another player that was not recorded in my logs attack my two deployed mobile tractor units. This gave them a criminal status as it was an unprovoked attack with no permission of a duel given. I defended my tractor unit with my drones and got the unrecorded player to retreat from bad damage with no shots put onto my Procurer.

I was then attacked by the other two ships that are recorded in the battle log below. All three players were blue criminal status by this stage and was expecting concord backup and tried to shield tank my procurer. By my understanding I needed to wait 25 seconds from when they started attacking my tractor units for the concord. I lasted a full minute with no backup and ejected from my procurer to save my clone which I just got away from being warp scrambled again.

Can someone please help me understand what happened?

2014.01.08 08:48:00

Victim: Rhonan Irwin
Corp: Imperial Academy
Alliance: Unknown
Faction: Unknown
Destroyed: Procurer
System: Warouh
Security: 0.5
Damage Taken: 20570

Involved parties:

Name: Tul Breetai (laid the final blow)
Security: 0.70
Corp: Impromptu Asset Requisition
Alliance: Insurance Fraud.
Faction: None
Ship: Venture
Weapon: Small Focused Pulse Laser II
Damage Done: 10677

Name: Dieter Rams
Security: -0.7
Corp: The Nommo
Alliance: Insurance Fraud.
Faction: None
Ship: Tristan
Weapon: Hobgoblin I
Damage Done: 9893

The MTU's were deployed for Icicle collection the be collected by myself after I filled them it creates a more profitable way of mining.



I guess what your all saying is I should of returned my drones to drone bay and waited them out?

A few mistakes here. One, blue is not a criminal status. It denotes a limited engagement - both parties have fired at the other.

Concord doesn't come for suspects (yellow), only criminals. Suspects, however, are open season for other capsuleers.

Stop expecting concord to come to the rescue, start making friends and learning to defend yourself.

Ok Chan(? Are we in Public School, whats with the surnames? just curious), but you know what I meant, it flags you for CONSEXUAL PvP

Not really that fair without being able to defend yourself and being ganged up on the MTU's are about 8 million each plus cargo.
They should be like secure cargo containers in they are attacked

You commanded your drones to attack the shooter making yourself a suspect.

Shooting a suspect makes you also a suspect?

If this is true I've misunderstood the new flagging mechanic since it was introduced.

No, it starts a limited engagement between you and the suspect you shot.

... did you just say CONSEXUAL when you meant CONSENSUAL?

Is consexual PvP fighting during sex?

Yet another tale of easy highsec ganks provided by.....

someone not knowing better.

C'mon, let's have a comprehensive new pilot training course or popup warnings like "this device can be shot by anybody and shooting back makes you a target as well" and there will be rivers of tears from these highsec gankbears claiming "amusement park" and "dumbing down". How is it dumbing down when you rely on your target being dumb?

Umm, it's not really fair. That's not the right word to use.

The mechanic is functioning as it was meant to. The process has been described. In that regard it was "fair" as they didn't cheat, but the mechanic itself is largely unfair.

MTU's are given special priveledges for no logical reason other than CCP wanting an increase in PVP. You could remove CONCORD, thus increasing PVP too... that doesn't mean you should do it.

From EVE's wiki:
"Cargo containers and wrecks are considered valid property just like drones and ships. If you damage either, you are initiating aggression on its owner. If you are not in their corporation, or otherwise allowed to legally engage, then you should be ready for a security hit and Concord intervention."

Read that carefully, guys. CONCORD intervenes as they have attacked your property. That is the explanation given by CCP.
Why then, is an MTU not considered your property?

The answer is: It is. The MTU aggression mechanics are simply developed inconsistently with the other related mechanics.

I'm sure at a point CCP actually knew what they were doing... the game's quite wonderful so they must have. Can we hire those people back please?

I don't think many of the people you think will be crying rivers of tears will actually be doing so if this was the case. Do you know why? Because people will ignore it, just as they ignore the tutorials and the wealth of information about Eve that is widely available all over the internet. People can't be bothered to learn about the game they're coming to, what makes you think they'll bother with a new pilot course or popups that warn them of things (see the pre safety catch popup warnings and lowsec stargate warnings and the amount of wailing caused by clicking "don't show me this again" ). CCP can't patch stupidity, wilful ignorance or just plain laziness out of the game.

Not really that fair without being able to defend yourself and being ganged up on the MTU's are about 8 million each plus cargo.
They should be like secure cargo containers in they are attacked