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Bobby Frutt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.08 18:43:00 -
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In it's current form, bumping can be used as a means of keeping people unaligned and thus disallowing them to warp.
The problem with this is it breaks game balance. Activating a warp scrambler or disruptor on a random target in hi-sec will illicit a CONCORD response. Keep in mind, the only purpose of a warp scrambler/disruptor module is to prevent a ship from warping away. Now we ask ourselves: Why does it illicit a CONCORD response? If the only purpose is the prevent a ship from warping away, the only answer is that it illicits a CONCORD response because you attempted to prevent their ship from warping away.
Why then should the same reasoning not apply to bumping? Bumping someone as they try to warp away at a gate has the exact same affect as a module that is considered criminal; should the bumping not be considered criminal too? The problem with that is everyone and their mother would end up being a criminal. The entire Jita undock would just be criminals!
My proposed solution is simple: You should have to be a suspect, criminal or engaged in combat to bump other ships. Add a feature where you can simply turn yourself suspect with the click of a button. Now that you are suspect, you can try and bump that freighter out of alignment! The difference is, people can now shoot you at least. That's balanced. That's fair.
Bumping in wardecs, FW targets, fellow corp members, WH/Null should still work as it does now. The whole point here is to balance the mechanics of bumping with the increased security that comes with hi-sec.
The downside to this is that places like Jita undock will look ridiculous, with ships passing through eachother all the time. I would say that is a small price to pay for fixing the current bumping mechanics.
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Holgrak Blacksmith
European Research and Industry Corp
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Posted - 2014.01.08 18:45:00 -
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Tears. Jar. Full. |

Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.08 18:46:00 -
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Dude, your face.. |

admiral root
Red Galaxy Disband.
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Posted - 2014.01.08 18:46:00 -
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Search is your friend. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
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Posted - 2014.01.08 18:50:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Search is your friend.
yeah if you google strawman you will find plenty of similar people spewing forth pointless froth here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY |

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
819
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Posted - 2014.01.08 18:51:00 -
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I support this. Everyone that ever undocks from Jita or Amarr should be flagged as suspect. Make it happen CCP. |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.01.08 18:53:00 -
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can we just cut out the middleman and go with:
no. |

vyshnegradsky
Hejaz Industries Executive Outcomes
157
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Posted - 2014.01.08 18:55:00 -
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Pix Severus wrote:Dude, your face..
He accidentally bumped a beehive, knocking himself out of alignment and so was stung multiple times before he could warp off. That explains the post and the face. This one's a bit over the edge guys.
Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules.
- CCP Falcon |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.01.08 18:56:00 -
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GM says no. |

Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
460
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Posted - 2014.01.08 18:57:00 -
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Holy ****! Are we just going to start another thread? Why not just keep it all on one thread and stop posting the same damn thing over and over. Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |

Thatt Guy
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2014.01.08 18:57:00 -
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remove bumping |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.01.08 18:58:00 -
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Bobby Frutt wrote:In it's current form, bumping can be used as a means of keeping people unaligned and thus disallowing them to warp.
The problem with this is it breaks game balance. Not really, no, since you can still trivially get away if all they do is bump you. The ease of escaping it matches the ease of doing it GÇö balance.
Quote:My proposed solution is simple: You should have to be a suspect, criminal or engaged in combat to bump other ships. Your proposed breakage is ridiculously complex and doesn't solve anything.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Kryptik Kai
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.08 18:59:00 -
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Oh for the days when bumping actually caused a slight bit of damage "Shiny.-á Lets be bad guys." -Jayne Cobb |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.01.08 19:03:00 -
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Grrrrrrrr Bumping thread# 44,573,221
"Y U NO USE SEARCH??!!?" response# 89,146,442
"Dude, your face" comment# 357,399
These stats were brought to you by: The Center for Search Function Awareness. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

I Was There
Nigerian Drug Manufactory co.
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Posted - 2014.01.08 19:05:00 -
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Jita undock will be special. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
15543
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Posted - 2014.01.08 19:05:00 -
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Pix Severus wrote:Dude, your face.. OP without makeup |

March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2014.01.08 19:09:00 -
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--- CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another playerGÇÖs ship as an exploit. However, persistent targeting of a player with bumping by following them around after they have made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment, and this will be judged on a case by case basis. --- it looks like after getting bumped 2 or more times you simply can report bumper for griefing..... The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18790
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Posted - 2014.01.08 19:10:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:it looks like after getting bumped 2 or more times you simply can report bumper for griefing..... Not really, no. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Ragnarok.
127
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Posted - 2014.01.08 19:11:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:I support this. Everyone that ever undocks from Jita or Amarr should be flagged as suspect. Make it happen CCP.
please father, can i play with it for a few moments
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Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Ragnarok.
127
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Posted - 2014.01.08 19:12:00 -
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Kryptik Kai wrote:Oh for the days when bumping actually caused a slight bit of damage
inb4 new order gan... i mean bump squads roam the universe |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
15544
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Posted - 2014.01.08 19:14:00 -
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March rabbit wrote: --- CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another playerGÇÖs ship as an exploit. However, persistent targeting of a player with bumping by following them around after they have made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment, and this will be judged on a case by case basis. --- it looks like after getting bumped 2 or more times you simply can report bumper for griefing.....
You appear to have missed the clarifications in follow up posts.GM Karidor wrote:Hannott Thanos wrote:I simply noted that it seems that it is still legal to implicitly harass someone by setting up bumper gangs in every belt that one person mines in, as long as they target everyone, not just that one individual. Or am I mistaken here? You are mistaken. If you are reported and we find you actively following around a target without a war to continue bumping a specific player, it will still (at some point) considered harassment, even if you divert your 'attention' a little while doing so. If you have a bone to pick with someone, declare a war and take the risk that your target may actually taste blood and fight back (or finds allies for that part). Runeme Shilter wrote:Does "move to another location" mean another Ice-Asteroid? Or another belt? Another system? While it will involve inconvenience, we will have to see that one actively tried evasion before we consider someone being followed around and harassed. Merely changing belts in the same system or moving a few thousand meters to another asteroid would not qualify in this regard. Ideally you would move to other systems and more than just one or two jumps to avoid being found again quickly, requiring some effort to locate you again (i.e. through locator agents).Benny Ohu wrote:if a bumper was extorting in a system, then later moved to another system and bumped a player that had previously moved on, not because the bumper was following the other player but because the other player was in the bumper's new area, is that a situation that 'by itself' is harassment? Depends, see the answer to the quote above which should cover this as well. If the victim just moved next door, that could still be interpreted as 'general area of operation', if the miner starts changing regions and is still being followed around by the same person that keeps bumping in a regular manner then the intent is pretty clear. Note that I said person, not character, so regional alts will be considered be the same player in this regard.
I've bolded the salient parts for your convenience . |

Forum Clone 77777
Do You Even Irony Broew
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Posted - 2014.01.08 19:15:00 -
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Why not make it interesting though?
Anyone bumped by a suspect/criminal will get the same flag, let the Jita undock bowling party carnage begin. |

Favonius85
House Aratus Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2014.01.08 19:16:00 -
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This idea has my support, you can always trust a man with no eyebrows. |

TharOkha
0asis Group
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Posted - 2014.01.08 19:35:00 -
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Bobby Frutt wrote: The downside to this is that places like Jita undock will look ridiculous, with ships passing through eachother all the time. I would say that is a small price to pay for fixing the current bumping mechanics.
Please biomass yourself. . |

KnowUsByTheDead
New Eden Federation Of Justice
910
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Posted - 2014.01.08 19:48:00 -
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Do you know what blows my mind the most?
It is not the fact that people can get ganked in highsec, that the carebear's are worried about.
It is the fact that they are being bumped.
I mean really, wtf?
Has the world suddenly switched poles and human psychology changed because of it?
  Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1929
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Posted - 2014.01.08 19:51:00 -
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Lordy, not this again...
I thought duplicate, pointless threads were supposed to get locked...
Here's hoping. This is not a signature. |

Dr Z3r0
Asylum Alumni
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Posted - 2014.01.08 20:00:00 -
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bump
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.01.08 20:02:00 -
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Quote:14. Bumping outside the EVE Marketplace and Alliance & Corporation Recruitment channels is prohibited. The bumping of posts to alter the order of the thread listing on a forum is prohibited outside the EVE Marketplace and Alliance & Corporation Recruitment forum channels. Within the EVE Marketplace section of the forums, each forum category has its own rules regarding acceptable bumping for sales threads clearly listed in the stickies. Similarly the Alliance & Corporation Recruitment channel also has its own rules. Please be aware that the rules vary from forum to forum. Please review the sticky threads in these forum channels for specific details.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
462
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Posted - 2014.01.08 20:30:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Lordy, not this again...
I thought duplicate, pointless threads were supposed to get locked...
Here's hoping.
Jo Jeff. I totally agree. These constant, multiple posts about the same thing serve no purpose at all.
I would prefer a single threadnaught over the course of a millennium over 1000 daily posts about the same, tired, stupid thing.
Here are three reasons why the people who assault us with these threads repeatedly (harassment?) need to stop posting:
Barge/Exhumer EHP buffs CONCORD not being tankable buff Drone Poop nerf
NO MORE CHANGES - Play the game as it is or don't. It's an easy decision.
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |

Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
650
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Posted - 2014.01.08 20:33:00 -
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Read it. Learn it. Love it. Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
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