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Dude, your face..

In it's current form, bumping can be used as a means of keeping people unaligned and thus disallowing them to warp.

The problem with this is it breaks game balance.

My proposed solution is simple: You should have to be a suspect, criminal or engaged in combat to bump other ships.

Dude, your face..

it looks like after getting bumped 2 or more times you simply can report bumper for griefing.....

I support this. Everyone that ever undocks from Jita or Amarr should be flagged as suspect. Make it happen CCP.

Oh for the days when bumping actually caused a slight bit of damage

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CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another playerGÇÖs ship as an exploit. However, persistent targeting of a player with bumping by following them around after they have made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment, and this will be judged on a case by case basis.
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it looks like after getting bumped 2 or more times you simply can report bumper for griefing.....

You are mistaken. If you are reported and we find you actively following around a target without a war to continue bumping a specific player, it will still (at some point) considered harassment, even if you divert your 'attention' a little while doing so. If you have a bone to pick with someone, declare a war and take the risk that your target may actually taste blood and fight back (or finds allies for that part).

While it will involve inconvenience, we will have to see that one actively tried evasion before we consider someone being followed around and harassed. Merely changing belts in the same system or moving a few thousand meters to another asteroid would not qualify in this regard. Ideally you would move to other systems and more than just one or two jumps to avoid being found again quickly, requiring some effort to locate you again (i.e. through locator agents).

Depends, see the answer to the quote above which should cover this as well. If the victim just moved next door, that could still be interpreted as 'general area of operation', if the miner starts changing regions and is still being followed around by the same person that keeps bumping in a regular manner then the intent is pretty clear. Note that I said person, not character, so regional alts will be considered be the same player in this regard.

The downside to this is that places like Jita undock will look ridiculous, with ships passing through eachother all the time. I would say that is a small price to pay for fixing the current bumping mechanics.

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14. Bumping outside the EVE Marketplace and Alliance & Corporation Recruitment channels is prohibited.
The bumping of posts to alter the order of the thread listing on a forum is prohibited outside the EVE Marketplace and Alliance & Corporation Recruitment forum channels. Within the EVE Marketplace section of the forums, each forum category has its own rules regarding acceptable bumping for sales threads clearly listed in the stickies. Similarly the Alliance & Corporation Recruitment channel also has its own rules. Please be aware that the rules vary from forum to forum. Please review the sticky threads in these forum channels for specific details.

Lordy, not this again...

I thought duplicate, pointless threads were supposed to get locked...

Here's hoping.

This idea has my support, you can always trust a man with no eyebrows.

In it's current form, bumping can be used as a means of keeping people unaligned and thus disallowing them to warp.

The problem with this is it breaks game balance. Activating a warp scrambler or disruptor on a random target in hi-sec will illicit a CONCORD response. Keep in mind, the only purpose of a warp scrambler/disruptor module is to prevent a ship from warping away.
Now we ask ourselves: Why does it illicit a CONCORD response?
If the only purpose is the prevent a ship from warping away, the only answer is that it illicits a CONCORD response because you attempted to prevent their ship from warping away.

Why then should the same reasoning not apply to bumping? Bumping someone as they try to warp away at a gate has the exact same affect as a module that is considered criminal; should the bumping not be considered criminal too? The problem with that is everyone and their mother would end up being a criminal. The entire Jita undock would just be criminals!

My proposed solution is simple: You should have to be a suspect, criminal or engaged in combat to bump other ships. Add a feature where you can simply turn yourself suspect with the click of a button. Now that you are suspect, you can try and bump that freighter out of alignment! The difference is, people can now shoot you at least. That's balanced. That's fair.

Bumping in wardecs, FW targets, fellow corp members, WH/Null should still work as it does now. The whole point here is to balance the mechanics of bumping with the increased security that comes with hi-sec.

The downside to this is that places like Jita undock will look ridiculous, with ships passing through eachother all the time. I would say that is a small price to pay for fixing the current bumping mechanics.

In it's current form, bumping can be used as a means of keeping people unaligned and thus disallowing them to warp.

The problem with this is it breaks game balance. Activating a warp scrambler or disruptor on a random target in hi-sec will illicit a CONCORD response. Keep in mind, the only purpose of a warp scrambler/disruptor module is to prevent a ship from warping away.
Now we ask ourselves: Why does it illicit a CONCORD response?
If the only purpose is the prevent a ship from warping away, the only answer is that it illicits a CONCORD response because you attempted to prevent their ship from warping away.

Why then should the same reasoning not apply to bumping? Bumping someone as they try to warp away at a gate has the exact same affect as a module that is considered criminal; should the bumping not be considered criminal too? The problem with that is everyone and their mother would end up being a criminal. The entire Jita undock would just be criminals!

My proposed solution is simple: You should have to be a suspect, criminal or engaged in combat to bump other ships. Add a feature where you can simply turn yourself suspect with the click of a button. Now that you are suspect, you can try and bump that freighter out of alignment! The difference is, people can now shoot you at least. That's balanced. That's fair.

Bumping in wardecs, FW targets, fellow corp members, WH/Null should still work as it does now. The whole point here is to balance the mechanics of bumping with the increased security that comes with hi-sec.

The downside to this is that places like Jita undock will look ridiculous, with ships passing through eachother all the time. I would say that is a small price to pay for fixing the current bumping mechanics.

Not really, no, since you can still trivially get away if all they do is bump you. The ease of escaping it matches the ease of doing it GÇö balance.

For a miner this is probably true, but a freighter can be bumped virtually indefinitely, without the bumper
being flagged for retaliation - this does seem a little unbalanced...

For a miner this is probably true, but a freighter can be bumped virtually indefinitely, without the bumper
being flagged for retaliation - this does seem a little unbalanced...

Oh for the days when bumping actually caused a slight bit of damage

I am actually surprised that it doesn't on this game.

As a new player, who had played World of Tanks, I was in fear of smearing my little frigate on some larger ship.

I mean realistically, you go smashing into a much larger target at high speed you will cause/take some damage.

Realistically, it would also be hideously exploitable hilarious.

Dude, your face..

[quote=Favonius85]I learnt this lesson the hard way after a very unpleasant experience of borrowing a lighter from a man with no eyebrows.

I am actually surprised that it doesn't on this game.

As a new player, who had played World of Tanks, I was in fear of smearing my little frigate on some larger ship.

I mean realistically, you go smashing into a much larger target at high speed you will cause/take some damage.

You could have just asked him if it was modified.

Well, I'm not involved in this because I'm not a miner or bumper but after seeing countless threads about this topic I really have to ask why nearly everyone thinks that bumping is ok?

I'm not talking about the GM statement here (wich meant nothing more than "We don't like it, but we can't fix it right now").
What I mean is that bumping is ridiculous. We are all playing a game about Ninjas and Pirates and Lasers and **** and some people have nothing better to do than bumping miners? Don't get me wrong, the fact that you have boundless possibilities in EVE to ruin someones day is what makes this game brilliant and unique but bumping has absolutley no style.

I really have to ask why nearly everyone thinks that bumping is ok?

The ship type is not a factor. You can get away as trivially regardless.

Please enlighten me how you can trivially escape in a freighter that is being bumped.

I find bumping to be one of the most annoying "features" in eve. I can't stand getting my ship snagged on invisible barriers. Just remove collisions from the game completely. Would that be bad for immersion? No more so than the 1s server tick rate!

So, what..? Slow-boatibng through planets? Getting hopelessly lost inside a stellar object? Hiding inside asteroids whilst you're mining them? (or hiding inside asteroids whlst preparing to gank?)

Actually, that last one sounds like fun. Carry on!

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I don't know what you people are on about. I fully support OP's suggestion that ships that bump into other ships get suspect flagged.






*rubs hands together* yes, yes, Jita is really going to burn this time.

In it's current form, bumping can be used as a means of keeping people unaligned and thus disallowing them to warp.

The problem with this is it breaks game balance. Activating a warp scrambler or disruptor on a random target in hi-sec will illicit a CONCORD response. Keep in mind, the only purpose of a warp scrambler/disruptor module is to prevent a ship from warping away.
Now we ask ourselves: Why does it illicit a CONCORD response?
If the only purpose is the prevent a ship from warping away, the only answer is that it illicits a CONCORD response because you attempted to prevent their ship from warping away.

Why then should the same reasoning not apply to bumping? Bumping someone as they try to warp away at a gate has the exact same affect as a module that is considered criminal; should the bumping not be considered criminal too? The problem with that is everyone and their mother would end up being a criminal. The entire Jita undock would just be criminals!

My proposed solution is simple: You should have to be a suspect, criminal or engaged in combat to bump other ships in hi-sec. Add a feature where you can simply turn yourself suspect with the click of a button. Now that you are suspect, you can try and bump that freighter out of alignment! The difference is, people can now shoot you at least. That's balanced. That's fair.

"There needs to be a few exceptions..."
Absolutely. Bumping in wardecs, FW targets and between corp members should still work as it does now. Once in a fleet all members should as well collide with one another. The whole point here is to balance the mechanics of bumping with the increased security that comes with hi-sec.

The downside to this is that places like Jita undock will look ridiculous, with ships passing through eachother all the time. I would say that is a small price to pay for fixing the current bumping mechanics.

In it's current form, bumping can be used as a means of keeping people unaligned and thus disallowing them to warp.

The problem with this is it breaks game balance. Activating a warp scrambler or disruptor on a random target in hi-sec will illicit a CONCORD response. Keep in mind, the only purpose of a warp scrambler/disruptor module is to prevent a ship from warping away.
Now we ask ourselves: Why does it illicit a CONCORD response?
If the only purpose is the prevent a ship from warping away, the only answer is that it illicits a CONCORD response because you attempted to prevent their ship from warping away.

Why then should the same reasoning not apply to bumping? Bumping someone as they try to warp away at a gate has the exact same affect as a module that is considered criminal; should the bumping not be considered criminal too? The problem with that is everyone and their mother would end up being a criminal. The entire Jita undock would just be criminals!

My proposed solution is simple: You should have to be a suspect, criminal or engaged in combat to bump other ships in hi-sec. Add a feature where you can simply turn yourself suspect with the click of a button. Now that you are suspect, you can try and bump that freighter out of alignment! The difference is, people can now shoot you at least. That's balanced. That's fair.

"There needs to be a few exceptions..."
Absolutely. Bumping in wardecs, FW targets and between corp members should still work as it does now. Once in a fleet all members should as well collide with one another. The whole point here is to balance the mechanics of bumping with the increased security that comes with hi-sec.

The downside to this is that places like Jita undock will look ridiculous, with ships passing through eachother all the time. I would say that is a small price to pay for fixing the current bumping mechanics.