I said somewhat safe. Not safe.

Thats not the thing. Its the "wardecking" newbs to get easy kills i have an issue with. And the targeted hunting down and killing you.
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Blockading you. Preventing you from playing.

And from what ive seen mainly PVE/industry centered corps with ALOT of new players are the ones targeted. So they know theres no real opposition.
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As for join NPC corp do what you want etc. Whats the fun in that?

As i mentioned i think the real strong points of this game is corp play. The few days i got playing with others in corp, doing even mining ops is the best stuff. What makes it worth playing.

What bothers me is that i can't do anything after a lill while. Cause theres no point in taking a ship out.

Okay, how about this?

Hey OP, if you don't know what you're talking about, then shut the **** up.

Is that better for you, Deunan?

New Players should not be able to PVP or be able to shoot at stuff for the first 2-3 Months?

I would left the game way back then if all i could do is mine and mission. Been shooting at people since day 1 in this game. Yes I lost ships the first few months but I killed alot more than I lost.

Your attitude is wrong which is why you are complaining. And the fact that your corp is part of alliance tells me that the corp leadership is shyte. Unable to rally the members into a cohesive fighting force allowing their members to flail about and get shot at with impunity. This is a failure of people able to manage their corps properly and keep their members safe. or atleast able to protect themselves.

Your gripe is also the reason why many new players actually stay in the game.

They have been added to my list for a future wardec.

oh yea and learning skills

stuff

Op you dont know how easy new players have it

before you couldnt warp to 0 no faction warfare and makeing isk was a 100 times harder than now oh yea and learning skills to name but a few things

new players now are damn spoilt if you cant take the steep learning curve gtfo and this op is why eve online has remained one of the most stable online games over the past 10+ years

eve is not a quick fix fad game that dies afta a year or two

As ive said most of the players in corp are newbies. Even if we all grouped upp at once (not possible because of time difference) we would most likely not win.

You have to realise that EVE gameplay is very different from real world experience. This game is challenging because it allows scammers and gankers and rewards them as long as they don't break the intended game mechanic. Players can make good amount of isk by doing "bad" things. Economic incentive is a positive reinforcement to encourage people to repeat their behavior. So you will always meet these people no matter what you do or where you go. They are part of the game and you cannot avoid them. What you have to do is to learn to deal with them. Complaining them is useless. It is part of the funs to overcome these challenges or, if you like, to take advantage of these opportunities.

Oh i wouldnt have minded beeing force into PVP if I actually had even a tiny little chance at winning. Its not exactly the mechanics of the game im opposed to. Its the INCREDIBLE uneven playingfield. But ive gotten some good tips from the nice people commenting. And i will probably join a NPC corp for a couple of months untill i can actually fit a decent pvp build i can use.

And thats why i was "complaining". A challange is if you have a chance of actually overcoming it. And you just cannot do that when your new. It isnt about the ISK. Thats easy to get. Its simply about SP. You just cant use anything good enough or well enough that early to win vs an "old" player.

Oh i wouldnt have minded beeing force into PVP if I actually had even a tiny little chance at winning. Its not exactly the mechanics of the game im opposed to. Its the INCREDIBLE uneven playingfield. But ive gotten some good tips from the nice people commenting. And i will probably join a NPC corp for a couple of months untill i can actually fit a decent pvp build i can use.

And thats why i was "complaining". A challange is if you have a chance of actually overcoming it. And you just cannot do that when your new. It isnt about the ISK. Thats easy to get. Its simply about SP. You just cant use anything good enough or well enough that early to win vs an "old" player. And you dont know all the mechanics either. Not that it would matter if you where an expert on all mechanics in EVE if your 14 days old vs one thats even played 2-3 months. Not to mention the ones thats played for years. Sure you can gang upp with LOADS of other newbies. But how many would you need per year old char? 5?10? More?

But sure its possible to jsut NPC corp for a couple of months and then go back to human corps, and you can actually fight back when they wardeck. Its just, is that a sound strategy for an MMO? Sure EVE is a good game, and it has a decent player base. But how much better could it get if more players joined, and stayed and CCP got more money to develop it?

I certainly know what im going to do in EVE if I continue to play for a while. Same as in other MMO's ive played. Punish players abusing the newbies without a clue ^^.

Anyhow. Thanks to all the guys that came with good comments. Least you got me to think a bit different about it.

And, Ice Eagle: Ive played for 14 days (had some holliday in there) and earned about 1.5 billion, isk is not the problem.

That is all good and well

I make a point of going after so called White Knight corps. Just because I can and I hate white knighting.

But in EVE people seem to attribute SP for Skill which is just not true. A new player can easily kill a 10 year player if they know what they are doing and is capable of handling themselves and their ship better. Make no mistake, that same 10 year old pilot will at the same time annihilate a bunch of people if he knew how to handle himself.

The issue however comes down to attitude. You can either role around in the dirt kicking and screaming, or you can learn from this and better yourself. I got popped by legions and big ass ships a lot, that made me only want to kill them more and I did.

So dust yourself of and go die as much as possible until you don't die anymore.

Oh i wouldnt have minded beeing force into PVP if I actually had even a tiny little chance at winning. Its not exactly the mechanics of the game im opposed to. Its the INCREDIBLE uneven playingfield. But ive gotten some good tips from the nice people commenting. And i will probably join a NPC corp for a couple of months untill i can actually fit a decent pvp build i can use.

"A gang of half a dozen players with less than 3 months experience in T1 ships is entirely capable of tackling a very expensive ship being flown by a multi year veteran and killing it."

Steam sales acounts arent even a month old ^^. But i get what your saying. And Arkady Romanov ill look into thoose, thanks for the tip.

OP, you have solutions ya know.

It's very, very, very, VERY easy to drop corp during wardecs. If your corp is filled with indy players that cannot defend themselves well, your corp should have a system in place where they can either join a sister corp during wars, or have a chat channel to communicate in while in NPC corps during the duration of the war.

I predict in 2mo you'll have the same problem as now. Only you will have wasted 2mo. By then you will have rescued that frickin' damsel 200 times and will have trouble logging in knowing if you ask the agent for a mission he is going to go tell you to rescue her again because Eve has the worst frickin' PvE of any game I've ever played. At 2mo you won't have skills to fly anything solo in PvP, not skill points, but skills. So you'll be bored with the PvE and won't consider PvP because you know you'll die.

A much better idea is to join a corp not full of newbies leading newbies, but one that actually has some vets who know what they are doing. Just by doing that you'll probably avoid most wardecs anyway. My old corp had 2 wardecs in the 6mo I was there. I assume it was because we weren't a bunch of newbies spouting entitled nonesense in local and the forums. We were a few newbies and a bunch of vets. The vets taught us better.

You want to ask for advice on what to do during a war, try the EVE New Citizens forum; you'll get helpful answers as to what to do. Spout crap here about how the game needs to be changed based on your 14d of experience and you'll just get added to a bunch of watchlists for people who want to watch you cry some more.

Edit: I hope someone in your corp or alliance told you to take the smartbomb off your Drake.

Look up the history of Goonswarm sometime.

It is equally true that a dozen players with less than a month of SP can kill a very expensive ship owned by someone with more than a year's playtime.

The most important thing to do is start shooting other people. Immediately. if you really do have 1.5bill in the bank, and the ability to earn more relatively easily, then you can have non-stop fun.

1.5 billion buys a lot of fitted tech 1 frigs and cruisers.

The other thing you must understand is that there are no goals or achievements except what you set for yourself. If you want to be here long term, set a goal for yourself, and go for it. It is also extremely important that you find a corp that you not only enjoy flying with, but who you can talk nonsense with while you ship spin. You're trying to join a community, not just a game.

It also helps if you understand, and accept, that part of the attraction to EVE is its harshness. There are people who are going to do mean things to you. People will try to scam you. They will try to trick you. They will steal from you. This is frustrating, and that is the point. The joy comes from overcoming those obstacles. The only rules are that which are prescribed by CCP in the EULA. Everything else is fair game.

You might also find this phrase helpful:

"Grr goons"

Thanks for your words. Theyve been really helpfull. Thats the thing though i really like all the guys in corp. Ill see if i cant make em all go fight some, if not ill look into the corps you mentioned earlier. The run and hide thing dosn't work anymore at least ^^.

The smart bomb worked really well for a quest i did which involved alot of drones coming into 2000 meters. It was NOT a pvp fit, and i used it for that mission only.

It seems a problem with EVE, is theres a bunch of vets, and verry few newbies. Which apparently makes alot of the vets that reply entitled i guess? Dont know what to call ranting at people for beeing new to the game, and mentioning what they felt about it, instead of just some words of advice, which other vets did.

I saw a good quote in another thread:

"I love EVE its a sandbox, you can do whatever you want etc"
"Your a newb, do what i tell you to".

Also most people decide if they want to continue playing an MMO in the first 30 days. Maybe all the "newb" saying what they think about their first experince can help make the game better, not necesarly how i suggested so more will stay and the playerbase will grow. More players in an MMO=more fun.

This guy seems to be baiting to get decced...

This guy seems to be baiting to get decced...