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Castiana Sukarala 0	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:17:00 - [1] - Quote Been playing eve for about half a month now, and although i do enjoy the game. The game is broken for new players. Is it worth continuing to play past the 30 days i got for 2`$? That really depends. Problem 1, tip 1: If your brand new to EVE, do not join a corporation! It will ruin your experience of the game. And its imo a HUGE failure on CCP's part. A design flaw, gaping and open. Especially considering the age of this game, and the irrelevance of actual money/equipemnt you use compared to SP which is really slow to gain. Why not join a corp? Apparently a rather large base of the players in EVE are **ers. They will wardeck corporations with alot of new players, especially if your based close to a trade hub (which you want to be when your new). And what youll do for the next i don't know how long is basically stay in base and do jackall. Or go out and die. Problem 2, tip2: If you get the problem over, you can go to the ass end of nowhere for a while (remain in high sec, ur new u get murdered if you go to lowsec) and mine! For the love of god, do not do missions! Youll die. Now this is a ** upp mechanic in this game, as theres only so much a new player can do. Its missions, carry around stuff to tradehubs, and do missions. Problem 3: You want to be in a corp cause its more fun? You can PVE with friends/new ppl you met that seems nice, or do mining ops. Maybe your lucky and they take you to do a lvl 3 or 4 mission when you get ur new destroyer, just so you can check out whats coming later down the line. And you even get some of the cash garnered. Do you like to trade? Use the market and have a pretty decent cargoship to ferry goods into jita/amarr etc from far flung reaches for some profit? You wanna do missions blow upp stuff and earn standings to do the lvl 3/4 missions when you finally hit your first BC or BS? Well then you have a problem. You either stay the away from corporations. Or you skill upp in mining. Thats what in my experience EVE is to new players. No wonder their playerbase grows so *** slowly. The most fun parts of the game gets ruined pretty fast because the EVE playerbase apparantly is full off aholes (met alot of friendly folks as well offc. Just mad at how it works). PVP btw is something you can just forget about for 3-4 months at least. So my gripe is simple. There should be restrictions, EVEN when your at war with another corp to what you can attack. Say you are protected at all times in high-sec untill you reach at least between 2 and 5 million SP unless you activly waiver that protection (still ** if you go low sec, but give new players a huge *** sign that says whatll happen to you if you go there). This will allow new players to enjoy the BEST about eve to start with, and at least give them a chance to fight back when thyere not protected anymore. Or is it the developers intention that using corps is a bad *** thing, and you should just stay alone untill you can fully fit a t2 pvp ship, with lvl 5 on everything that matters? In that case your doing a poor job about promoting this game of yours for new players. Or is it that really all you want new players to do is mine, somewhere far away from everything? So my situation. Were @ our 2nd extention at war with one pvp corp, and another has just declared as well. Our corp has some "old" players. And ALOT of new ones, that really can't play the game almost. Quite a few, nice ppl have left corp now just to get away from it so they can play eve. And alot of us just stay in station doing jack all, and just not playing eve. How many will just say it and not play eve anymore? Probably a few. I got really lucky early, earned a good amount of cash, got some planets etc. Besides some planet management, ive put EVERYTHING into SP for PVE missions. And i did some trading/moving of goods. Its what i enjoy doing (mining sucked to do). Now with the second alliance thats declared war with us (the first wasnt that active. But murdered any miners mining in our 1st HQ system, then what we moved to, and what we moved to after that (further and further away from everything). The second alliance uses agents apparently, not that im entirely sure how the hell that works, from what i gathered from other corp mates i can't do missions anymore. Btw, i did my missions on the other side of the fracking galaxy from where this new corp operates. And i died. And now for as long as they keep the war going my EVE experience will be once a day edit skill que, renew planet cycle. Which takes 1 minute. Do i wanna pay 15$ a month to play 1 minute a day? Nope not a chance in hell. Leaving corp won't even help. So i cross my fingers that they will end the wars before sub runs out in 15 days time. And we dont get a new one for a good ***** while. Because i REALLY liked EVE when i could actually play this game (beeing in a corp is a must for it to be fun imo), now its just pissing money for maybe someday be able to play the game.
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 2340	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:25:00 - [2] - Quote Yes, great advice for new players. Stay in an NPC corp and mine forever. Oh god.
Paranoid Loyd University of Caille Gallente Federation 252	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:27:00 - [3] - Quote With the proper guidance, you would not have the same opinion. Most of the things you complain about not being able to do are not related to the SPs you have but you knowledge of the mechanics of the game and your understanding of the strategy involved with dealing with other players. Look harder for a good corp, it will make the difference. This is not a swimming lessons type of game, its a throw you in the pool and see if you sink or swim type of game. That makes it very challenging and that's why people stick around. My other comment is you seem fixated on the content you are provided. This game is about creating your own content by understanding the content that is provided and learning how to use it to create your own. The result is hilarious fun or very large profits as well as devastating loss. It's all fun even being outsmarted by an older player and learning from the experience to try to turn the tables in the next encounter, consensual or not.
Deunan Tenephais 64	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:30:00 - [4] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: Yes, great advice for new players. Stay in an NPC corp and mine forever. You're going for the absurd humor or simply don't realize he's a new player ?
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 2340	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:34:00 - [5] - Quote Sorry, I didn't realise we weren't allowed to grief rookie pilots on the forum. Oh god.
Eurydia Vespasian Storm Hunters 4890	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:36:00 - [6] - Quote you mean noobs expect to do something other than train skills, mine or be tackle bait early in this game?! lol! what are these advertisements telling these kids? you watch a trailer you think this is how it really is or something?
Castiana Sukarala 0	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:38:00 - [7] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: With the proper guidance, you would not have the same opinion. Most of the things you complain about not being able to do are not related to the SPs you have but you knowledge of the mechanics of the game and your understanding of the strategy involved with dealing with other players. Look harder for a good corp, it will make the difference. Ok so im wrong with the thing they can track you through agents? Or that they camp your HQ? I quickly went away from HQ, and did missions in areas far **** away from everything with the first corp that went to war. Had local upp in its own window and all that. And i escaped several attempts to kill me then. But even if i escape the attempt to kill me. Im still unable to play the game. Now the new corp activly seek out the new players in our corp doing missions, no matter where they are in gangs of 3-4 players. And the SP does have alot to say. I have no hope of outfitting any ship that can take any of them on. Most of the ones in corp cannot do that. Its mainly PVE which is what i found i liked the most about EVE. And the rest is mining. If you actually have a solution id love to hear it. Because so far as ive found out, with my current SP level, what i can do is mine somewhat safe.
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 470	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:38:00 - [8] - Quote Lots of frustration in this OP. Lots of angst. Dude, do whatever the ** you want. Seriously, if you're at war go kick someones ass. You might lose your ship. Go get another one. Alternatively, people drop corp to get out of wardecs all the time. Drop to an NPC corp and go do whatever the you want. If you want to mine go mine but know this and this is very important. If you are mining, and it matters not where you are, people in this game CAN and WILL shoot at you. Plan and act accordingly. It bears repeating --- If you are mining, and it matters not where you are, people in this game CAN and WILL shoot at you. Plan and act accordingly. There is literally nothing stopping you from doing whatever the you want. Welcome to Eve - the place where you can do whatever the you want. Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has.**
Deunan Tenephais 64	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:39:00 - [9] - Quote Griefing ? Your didn't grief her at all by telling her to not advise new players to stay in NPC corps and go mining, SHE is the new gal here. It's not even griefing it's ridiculous.
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 2340	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:41:00 - [10] - Quote Castiana Sukarala wrote: If you actually have a solution id love to hear it. Get your corp mates in a fleet and fight them. Oh god.
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 2340	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:42:00 - [11] - Quote Deunan Tenephais wrote: Griefing ? Your didn't grief her at all by telling her to not advise new players to stay in NPC corps and go mining, SHE is the new gal here. It's not even griefing it's ridiculous. You're ridiculous. I don't care if she's new, her advice is awful. Oh god.
Castiana Sukarala 0	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:45:00 - [12] - Quote Eurydia Vespasian wrote: you mean noobs expect to do something other than train skills, mine or be tackle bait early in this game?! lol! what are these advertisements telling these kids? you watch a trailer you think this is how it really is or something? All the "noobs" are training skills. And thats not the issue. I don't see it as a huge loss if i quit this game. I doubt you do either. All im doing is pointing out a problem to increase playerbase. Because thats what it is. What i expect from a game is to be able to play it. If you have something actually constructive to say i would appreciate it. Tips, or something. Random "flaming" is just not helpfull. I play League of legends as well, and people say that community is bad ;D. Really ^^. And im fully aware of how eve works. Its why i only baught it for 2$ when on sale and not the full price. To test it. And there are fun elements for sure! Its a great game. That has failed to take into account the HUMONGUS difference between an entirely new player. And its "ancient" playerbase.
Deunan Tenephais 64	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:46:00 - [13] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: Deunan Tenephais wrote: Griefing ? Your didn't grief her at all by telling her to not advise new players to stay in NPC corps and go mining, SHE is the new gal here. It's not even griefing it's ridiculous. You're ridiculous. I don't care if she's new, her advice is awful. I don't care that you don't care, you think a new player will have anything else than awfully wrong ideas about the game ? What are you, 5 years old ?
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 470	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:46:00 - [14] - Quote Castiana Sukarala wrote: what i can do is mine somewhat safe. No! No! No! No! No! You are NEVER safe. Never ever ever. No where is "safe". This game is about shooting spaceships. Sorry didn't mean to jump your ** there brother. This "safety" that you envision is too often drilled into the heads of new capsuleers. It does not exist - anywhere. Like I was saying, go out and do whatever the you want. You will lose ships. You will lose ISK. Learn from your mistakes. 99.99999% of all the bad things that have happened to me in this game were caused by the fact that I did something cataclysmically stupid. The game has a steep learning curve. Give it some time. Also, NO WHERE IS SAFE! Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has.**
Cela Kashuken EVE University Ivy League 18	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:50:00 - [15] - Quote If you need a good starting corp try EVE University or Brave Newbies, both great corps. Honestly, the fact that people can be really cutthroat in this game is what drew me into it in the first place.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 8997	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:51:00 - [16] - Quote Stay in the forest and kill boars until you are level 70. Then you can walk around with mad skills, yet have absolutely no idea how to use them. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 2340	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:52:00 - [17] - Quote Deunan Tenephais wrote: I don't care that you don't care, you think a new player will have anything else than awfully wrong ideas about the game ? What are you, 5 years old ? Okay, how about this? Hey OP, if you don't know what you're talking about, then shut the **** up. Is that better for you, Deunan? Oh god.
Castiana Sukarala 0	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:54:00 - [18] - Quote Kimmi Chan wrote: Castiana Sukarala wrote: what i can do is mine somewhat safe. No! No! No! No! No! You are NEVER safe. Never ever ever. No where is "safe". This game is about shooting spaceships. Sorry didn't mean to jump your ** there brother. This "safety" that you envision is too often drilled into the heads of new capsuleers. It does not exist - anywhere. Like I was saying, go out and do whatever the ** you want. You will lose ships. You will lose ISK. Learn from your mistakes. 99.99999% of all the bad things that have happened to me in this game were caused by the fact that I did something cataclysmically stupid. The game has a steep learning curve. Give it some time. Also, NO WHERE IS SAFE! I said somewhat safe. Not safe. Do the local chat in its own window. Find somewher in high sec with only you in it, or someone thats realtivly new, run when theres "pirates" there etc. I have escaped several kill attempts. Thats not the thing. Its the "wardecking" newbs to get easy kills i have an issue with. And the targeted hunting down and killing you. Blockading you. Preventing you from playing. And from what ive seen mainly PVE/industry centered corps with ALOT of new players are the ones targeted. So they know theres no real opposition. As for join NPC corp do what you want etc. Whats the fun in that? As i mentioned i think the real strong points of this game is corp play. The few days i got playing with others in corp, doing even mining ops is the best stuff. What makes it worth playing. Have i lost ships sure. Does it bother me much? No. What bothers me is that i can't do anything after a lill while. Cause theres no point in taking a ship out.
Cale Nolen Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:56:00 - [19] - Quote Get rid of Hi-Sec get rid of ppls illusions they should be safe
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 470	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:58:00 - [20] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: Deunan Tenephais wrote: I don't care that you don't care, you think a new player will have anything else than awfully wrong ideas about the game ? What are you, 5 years old ? Okay, how about this? Hey OP, if you don't know what you're talking about, then shut the ** up. Is that better for you, Deunan? Riot. I think you might be misunderstanding the OP. He is a new player that is apparently very frustrated with his experience thus far. The "advice" is giving is not really advice but seems to be what he sees as the only alternative. He is not actively endorsing an NPC Corp Miner lifestyle. He is pissed off because as things are for him at this very moment in time he sees himself having few other options if he wants to continue to evaluate the game as a long term thing. Sorry if this sounds douchey but I think you missed the mark on this one. Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has.**
Castiana Sukarala 1	Posted - 2014.01.09 04:00:00 - [21] - Quote Cela Kashuken wrote: If you need a good starting corp try EVE University or Brave Newbies, both great corps. Honestly, the fact that people can be really cutthroat in this game is what drew me into it in the first place. Not my impression. My impression is ppl are cowardly, and target new players for easy kills and e-***?^^. I remember when i played wow, we had thoose aholes ganking newbies in strangletorn. When that happened it ended with them getting corpse camped for days afterwards. Cause its a **** thing to do. And it ruins it for thoose just learning about the game. Theres not even 1% challange in doing it.
Jim Era 7747	Posted - 2014.01.09 04:02:00 - [22] - Quote Hmm, I think you are just going about it wrong OP, try to broaden your scope, do what you find fun.
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 2342	Posted - 2014.01.09 04:03:00 - [23] - Quote Kimmi Chan wrote: Sorry if this sounds douchey but I think you missed the mark on this one. Maybe. I only read half of it and it seemed like a huge wall of whining to me. Oh god.
Cannibal Kane My Little Ponies of the Apocalypse Cannibal Empire 3119	Posted - 2014.01.09 04:03:00 - [24] - Quote New Players should not be able to PVP or be able to shoot at stuff for the first 2-3 Months? I would left the game back way then. Been shooting at people since day 1 in this game. Yes I lost ships the first few months but I killed alot more than I lost. Your attitude is wrong which is why you are complaining. And the fact that your corp is part of alliance tells me that the corp leadership is shyte. Unable to rally the members into a cohesive fighting force allowing their members to flail about and get shot at with impunity. They have been added to my list for a future wardec. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. He flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. His hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. It was truly majestic. And while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off. Because I am like that." - NEONOVUS
Cale Nolen Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.01.09 04:04:00 - [25] - Quote Awoking seems to be the "in" thing the now with the bored vets u had that one yet?
Cela Kashuken EVE University Ivy League 18	Posted - 2014.01.09 04:05:00 - [26] - Quote You can also try faction warfare. This gives you plenty of PVP opportunity and has fleets forming up all the time to take on the opposing faction.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 4250	Posted - 2014.01.09 04:05:00 - [27] - Quote The OP has given his advice. Here is mine: Jump in head 1st and ignore everyhting this dude just said. FAIL, pick yourself up, learn from it, don't whine, THINK about things and conquer the freaknig universe. If you can't do that, do what thousands of other very smart people have donw, quit when your trial is up. Don't become one of the dumb entitled people who knows they don't like the game but keeps playing for some reason and then complains about it non-stop.
BoSau Hotim Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 7321	Posted - 2014.01.09 04:10:00 - [28] - Quote I'm glad I'm not OP. We got dec'd 8 times in a row when I was a noob in a noob corp. We sucked it up and still learned the game and found new ways to make it fun. It's all attitude really - and OP's atttitude tells me he's not going to be around for long. I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!-á Now... where's Ken?
Yuber Eightfold Warriors of the Void 2	Posted - 2014.01.09 04:11:00 - [29] - Quote The OP did not do much research and in EVE information is important. There are some noteworthy newbie friendly corps. But i'll leave it to the OP to research.
Castiana Sukarala 1	Posted - 2014.01.09 04:11:00 - [30] - Quote Jim Era wrote: Hmm, I think you are just going about it wrong OP, try to broaden your scope, do what you find fun. That was the point i was trying to make ^^. I really like the ppl in corp. Good ppl. Fun to play with (when possible) etc. I love the pve elements. PVP is probably fun to. But not what i want to do at this point in time. The things i do like to do, gets impossible to do. Offcourse i can leave corp. Join NPC corp and do it again, but then i wouldnt have the same people to chat/play with etc. I could try joining another "newb" guild but whats to say the same **** dosnt happen, from what ive understood this kinda thing is really common. And as ive said, i do really like the game when i can play it. And when it was just 1 corp at war with us it was managable. With 2 corps every new player in corp is hunted 24/7 almost. And im fully aware that its how EVE functions. And its not a failure of the game for most players that play this game. What im trying to point out is simply the best parts of EVE (at least imo) quikly becomes extreemly hostile to new players, not only because of SP difference/ISK difference, but also understanding of mechanics etc.

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