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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
3342
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Posted - 2014.03.23 06:12:00 -
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Matogg wrote:Jared Lennox wrote:
Hauling 25bil worth cargo is bad. Furthermore auto-piloting with this freighter is worse... Assuming highsec is 100% risk-free is the worst. CCP will do nothing about it. Drink a cold glass of water and move on.
"Hauling 25bil worth of cargo is bad" What difference does that make to you ? CODE recently killed an empty jump freighter in hi sec . Maybe more ! The point is that you don't care what a ship has in it . "CCP will do nothing about it "............and you got this word from who ?
From CCP. Ganking and bumping are both acceptable emergent gameplay.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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WaterMarks
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.03.23 09:04:00 -
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still think its stupid that a small ship can stop a freighter
you bring your small ship against my freighter ur a dead man... but no it this advance world of eve mass doesnt matter....
makes me wanna remove my cb radio form my oblesk and sell it off
-Fly Reckless- |
Matogg
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.03.23 10:22:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Matogg wrote:Jared Lennox wrote:
Hauling 25bil worth cargo is bad. Furthermore auto-piloting with this freighter is worse... Assuming highsec is 100% risk-free is the worst. CCP will do nothing about it. Drink a cold glass of water and move on.
"Hauling 25bil worth of cargo is bad" What difference does that make to you ? CODE recently killed an empty jump freighter in hi sec . Maybe more ! The point is that you don't care what a ship has in it . "CCP will do nothing about it "............and you got this word from who ? From CCP. Ganking and bumping are both acceptable emergent gameplay.
Yes , I may have read that even deeper than you did . I also read that CCP has , in the past , made necessary changes for the overall good of the game . Including bumping . Jared's statement that CCP would do nothing about it had me wondering if he had some hokus-pokus insite into the mindset of CCP .
It seems to me that a freighter that can be held in place by a couple of smaller ships for an HOUR while they wake their buddies to do an organized hi sec gank is questionable game-play , at best . It may need a tweak in the near future if hi sec ganker organizations like CODE and Goonswarm's Bat Country Corp can't police themselves .
That whole action seems to take away a valuable tool from a single person in hi sec who may not have had access to outside help like a corp or alliance . like not being able to have the worst offenders red flagged .
A bump ship and someone in a rookie ship who gets a new ride every time they get popped by Concord only has to be a casual friend of the organization doing the damage and carry no flag at all . If it happened to me they definitely would be flagged next time but that's no help this time . Concord should be able to kill a bump ship working like that and not confuse it with a couple of ships "rubbing" eachother while undocking in Jita . A deliberate bump is much more powerful . I've done both .
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
3344
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Posted - 2014.03.23 10:34:00 -
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Matogg wrote:
It seems to me that a freighter that can be held in place by a couple of smaller ships for an HOUR while they wake their buddies to do an organized hi sec gank is questionable game-play , at best . It may need a tweak in the near future if hi sec ganker organizations like CODE and Goonswarm's Bat Country Corp can't police themselves .
That's pretty much what your ilk all said the first time. Except there were a lot more of you crying about it, and the answer was still "bumping is fine".
It doesn't "need a tweak", it's not an "exploit", and no one gets their losses reimbursed because they were too stupid to avoid it.
And none of that changes just because some butthurt moron loads up 10+ billion worth of stuff and gets ganked.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2935
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Posted - 2014.03.24 01:42:00 -
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Since you guys are on page 5 and going around in the same circles as the last 5-10 times this exact thread was posted, I'm going to throw you a bone and suggest you read any of the previous threads on the subject.
I can't share CCP correspondence here, but you can be sure every technique miniluv / bat country / code / waffles / etc uses (which includes the OP) has been petitioned both from us asking "Can we do this?" and from the daily stream of freighters who simply can't grasp "flying 25bil in a freighter is a bad idea" who will immediately mash the petition system to try to save themselves from their own incompetence.
"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2935
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Posted - 2014.03.24 01:44:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Leto Thule wrote:IIshira wrote:The OP deserved to be ganked... Why in the world would you haul BPO's in a freighter?? Haul them a few at a time in a interceptor. That way if they do get extremely lucky to get you the loss isn't that big.
I don't agree with "bumping" as it doesn't make sense. I understand that "it's just a game" so everything in Eve can't be real but a ship being able to crash into another over, over and over to prevent it from warp is just silly.
Now if CCP wants to put another ganking mechanic to replace "bumping" that might be acceptable. Bumping makes perfect sense. Setting up a faster than light travel would have to be extremely accurate. Hence the reason ships alighn before warping. At speeds that fast, even a miniscule adjustment would result in millions of miles of course deviation. Ergo.. Making sure the ship cannot alighn via bumping them makes pretty good sense to me.. Yes and crashing one ship into another would result in massive damage to both ships. You might "bump" another ship once but that would be it. Being able to continuously bump is a silly game mechanic.
FYI this would be the best change in the history of the game and if implemented I would do literally nothing else other than ramming people to blow them up.
This is just another example of someone asking for something that they have no idea would actually harm them if implemented.
The best way to know how to stay safe is to actually try to do the crime yourself, then you learn there are 50 ways it can go wrong, and then you can learn how to actually save yourself.
Competent freighter pilots get away all the time.
"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Jared Lennox
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS
CODE.
32
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Posted - 2014.03.24 02:29:00 -
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Matogg wrote:Jared Lennox wrote:
Hauling 25bil worth cargo is bad. Furthermore auto-piloting with this freighter is worse... Assuming highsec is 100% risk-free is the worst. CCP will do nothing about it. Drink a cold glass of water and move on.
"Hauling 25bil worth of cargo is bad" What difference does that make to you ? CODE recently killed an empty jump freighter in hi sec . Maybe more ! The point is that you don't care what a ship has in it . "CCP will do nothing about it "............and you got this word from who ?
Please do not stop.
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html |
Tacomaco
No Taxes just fun
19
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Posted - 2014.03.24 11:49:00 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:A shuttle can hold 100s of those blueprints
This ^^
I don't have that much experience but I think a shuttle is impossible to attack if flown properly.
- as it exists the station it can warp out before the session timer expires. You're in warp with 1-2 sec to spare and you can't be locked on in this time. Also applies to stargates after you jumped to the destination and you're clocked. You can still warp-out while the session timer is active.
- not sure about this but I think it accelerates faster than a frigate to the max warp speed. This means it will get to the destination faster than any ship.
- smaller signature than a frigate, I think it's of light drone size signature. Hard to lock-on, hard to hit.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
3352
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Posted - 2014.03.24 12:31:00 -
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Tacomaco wrote:
I don't have that much experience but I think a shuttle is impossible to attack if flown properly.
Well, you're right about your first 6 words of that sentence, anyway.
People pop shuttles by the buttload every day. Mostly because some people give the incredibly bad advice to run blueprints in them, so for the tiny amount of firepower it takes to pop them, it might pay off huge.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
730
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Posted - 2014.03.24 12:49:00 -
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Jared Lennox wrote:DO NOT AFK AROUND US BRAH !
+1 to some very good advice for whatever you're doing in Eve. If you want to AFK just dock and log off.
The only thing I could find in the OP's post that might draw the eye of CCP is that disposable noob ships were used to keep the aggro timer going to prevent log off. I don't think CCP would care unless it became a common occurrence. |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
513
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Posted - 2014.03.24 12:56:00 -
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This thread is still a thing? WTF?
Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University
Ivy League
407
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Posted - 2014.03.24 13:37:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Hey OP, as someone currently researching and trying to get an interview with this exact ganker (as he has been warming the cockles and sub-cocular regions of this hisec miscreant), he usually asks for and honors a RANSOM before executing his ganks...
Didn't you ultimately die because you refused to pay the ransom offered?
EvE, every action (or inaction) a consequence.
Ultimately, he died because his structure dropped to 0.
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Real Serious PVPer
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2014.03.24 13:57:00 -
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In space, there is no safe passage from one spot to another. Learn to become serious about PVP and have someone else haul.
-áSerious about being serious- Putting the "P "into PVP one fight at a time.
-áMUFC |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
220
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Posted - 2014.03.24 17:00:00 -
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With that much isk on the line, I would have ganked you too, and I hate gankers.
The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
730
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Posted - 2014.03.24 18:05:00 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:With that much isk on the line, I would have ganked you too, and I hate gankers.
I think many of the anti gankers would gank if they were getting a multibillion ISK share! |
Winchester Steele
444
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Posted - 2014.03.24 19:04:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tacomaco wrote:
I don't have that much experience but I think a shuttle is impossible to attack if flown properly.
Well, you're right about your first 6 words of that sentence, anyway. People pop shuttles by the buttload every day. Mostly because some people give the incredibly bad advice to run blueprints in them, so for the tiny amount of firepower it takes to pop them, it might pay off huge.
I love playing "scratch and win" with thrashers on the uedama pipe.
This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |
Matogg
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.03.25 01:24:00 -
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Jared Lennox wrote: people assume that CODE is only about money and extortion. No my friend, CODE does not let any illegal activity in it's vicinity (All High Sec) empty or not it is indifferent DO NOT AFK AROUND US BRAH !
No Jarod ....People don't assume anything ....CODE assumes that people are AFK .
You're so concerned with getting the gank that you don't notice if a freighter is slow boating or a miner just doesn't have his screen wide enough to notice your approach .
Both of which , I agree are bad choices but hardly enough to prevent the intentions of you guys in most instances . Nor should they have to .
Not about money and extortion ??  Don't make me laugh !!
The reason you operate in hi-sec is because it's the most amount of money and the least amount of risk of any place in all of EvE ....read my post in "Gankers List"
Plus the ships in Isanamo were shot solely because they weren't wearing your punked-out bio extortion stuff so even if you are brainwashed by all the tripe you read in the minerbumping link I doubt that anybody else is .
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Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:18:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Jared Lennox wrote:DO NOT AFK AROUND US BRAH ! +1 to some very good advice for whatever you're doing in Eve. If you want to AFK just dock and log off. The only thing I could find in the OP's post that might draw the eye of CCP is that disposable noob ships were used to keep the aggro timer going to prevent log off. I don't think CCP would care unless it became a common occurrence.
It is a common occurrence, but even if CCP did decide that using rookie ships to keep up aggro timers was exploitative it wouldn't change anything since dedicated ganking organizations would just keep a stack of T1-fitted Rifters or whatever to hand out for the same purpose. I mean, hell, we're already talking about a situation where T2 fitted Battlecruisers are disposable. |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy
Caldari State
168
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:57:00 -
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You had an hour to react and still died?
In this situation you could have taken note of the direction the mach was bumping you.
log in an alt or ask nicely someone you trust for a fast frigate and send him off in that direction.
Fleet him. Then warp to him when you are bumped.
An hour is plenty of time to sort out an escape.
And with 25Bil in a single haul, I imagine you can afford an alt in with an mwd frig. |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2943
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:57:00 -
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Tacomaco wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:A shuttle can hold 100s of those blueprints This ^^ I don't have that much experience but I think a shuttle is impossible to attack if flown properly. - as it exists the station it can warp out before the session timer expires. You're in warp with 1-2 sec to spare and you can't be locked on in this time. Also applies to stargates after you jumped to the destination and you're clocked. You can still warp-out while the session timer is active. - not sure about this but I think it accelerates faster than a frigate to the max warp speed. This means it will get to the destination faster than any ship. - smaller signature than a frigate, I think it's of light drone size signature. Hard to lock-on, hard to hit.
It's good to know (from the perspective of someone who pops shuttles all the time) that out there in the miasma of misinformation highseccers tell each other, there are actually some ideas that, if followed, are literally the worst possible thing to do.
"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
229
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:10:00 -
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I just put my shuttle into triage and run the 7 large armor reppers I have fitted untill the gankers go away....
The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.05.15 02:33:00 -
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I just sent a share order but never tried this. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
6175
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Posted - 2014.05.15 14:26:00 -
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Lar Tadaruwa wrote:I just sent a share order but never tried this.
Don't necro 7 week old threads.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Kristalll
Valkyrie Professional Resources
267
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Posted - 2014.05.15 14:40:00 -
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Protip for future petitions, don't put your opinion in the petition, GMs don't care, and you look whiny.
Simply describe the situation as clearly as possible and then ask the question.
GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |
Kristalll
Valkyrie Professional Resources
267
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Posted - 2014.05.15 14:43:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Tacomaco wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:A shuttle can hold 100s of those blueprints This ^^ I don't have that much experience but I think a shuttle is impossible to attack if flown properly. - as it exists the station it can warp out before the session timer expires. You're in warp with 1-2 sec to spare and you can't be locked on in this time. Also applies to stargates after you jumped to the destination and you're clocked. You can still warp-out while the session timer is active. - not sure about this but I think it accelerates faster than a frigate to the max warp speed. This means it will get to the destination faster than any ship. - smaller signature than a frigate, I think it's of light drone size signature. Hard to lock-on, hard to hit. It's good to know (from the perspective of someone who pops shuttles all the time) that out there in the miasma of misinformation highseccers tell each other, there are actually some ideas that, if followed, are literally the worst possible thing to do.
It's not really wrong, as in general, it's going to be hard to get a scan on a shuttle, and very hard to catch them too, with a VERY low likelihood of the effort being worth it.
I'd recommend an interceptor or dual tanked frigate if you can't do something stronger, and splitting the stuff your transporting into multiple runs just in case, but a shuttle isn't a BAD choice.
GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
989
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Posted - 2014.05.15 14:57:00 -
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More info on the blessed representitive of HTFU who extracted the OP's tears can be found here.
F
Would you like to know more? |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
851
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Posted - 2014.05.15 18:35:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lar Tadaruwa wrote:I just sent a share order but never tried this. Don't necro 7 week old threads.
This thread is like the walking dead. Just when you think it's down it gets up to bite! |
Bronson Hughes
The KAOS Holdings Group
2
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Posted - 2014.05.15 20:27:00 -
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Working as intended. Once you undock, you are fair game. You can never be safe in space, you can only make it harder for those who which to introduce your pod to said space.
Undocking with assets worth billions of ISK in cargo paints a giant target on you. Plan accordingly.
EDIT: Also, posting in another necro thread. |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy
Caldari State
182
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Posted - 2014.05.15 20:33:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:More info on the blessed representitive of HTFU who extracted the OP's tears can be found here. F
I took the time to illustrate just how much I don't care.
If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough. |
Lord Jasta
Maniacal Laughter Ltd.
14
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Posted - 2014.05.17 08:39:00 -
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Wait isn't it against the EULA to share a petition...... |
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