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Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:19:00 -
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Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:Ezra Blade Blade wrote:Everyone's input on this has been amazing for me (whether in the grand scheme it is the best advice- we won't put that to judgement) because It has brought to light situations that I wouldn't have thought of. My main issue now is that I am no where near being able to get the t2 stuff that most of you have posted- as of right now 90% of the fittings are a t1...it will be weeks before I can get into t2...BUT ill try out my boat on l3's and get used to how she handles-
another question if you don't mind...for starters id lilke to not be switching out guns/drones/fittings- so as far as drones go-- what is the benefit of a sentry drone over heavy attack- is it just the armor? they can take a beating? thanks! sentry do instant damage, where heavy combat drones are slow and have to travel between targets. tank fit it rat specific else u need a higher slot amount for tank in my experience. guns meta 4 and u wont need to switch them normaly. t2 in tank is the most important i would say. but weapon support is directly afterwards.
sorry for the ignorance on this- sentrys-- they just hang out and snipe baddies then? and they don't use ammo is what I am hearing too. |

Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
57
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:23:00 -
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Ezra Blade Blade wrote:Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:Ezra Blade Blade wrote:Everyone's input on this has been amazing for me (whether in the grand scheme it is the best advice- we won't put that to judgement) because It has brought to light situations that I wouldn't have thought of. My main issue now is that I am no where near being able to get the t2 stuff that most of you have posted- as of right now 90% of the fittings are a t1...it will be weeks before I can get into t2...BUT ill try out my boat on l3's and get used to how she handles-
another question if you don't mind...for starters id lilke to not be switching out guns/drones/fittings- so as far as drones go-- what is the benefit of a sentry drone over heavy attack- is it just the armor? they can take a beating? thanks! sentry do instant damage, where heavy combat drones are slow and have to travel between targets. tank fit it rat specific else u need a higher slot amount for tank in my experience. guns meta 4 and u wont need to switch them normaly. t2 in tank is the most important i would say. but weapon support is directly afterwards. sorry for the ignorance on this- sentrys-- they just hang out and snipe baddies then? and they don't use ammo is what I am hearing too.
yes sentries are basically guns in space with no ammo consumption ^^ but they cant travel at all (1m/s max speed i believe so not counting that :P) |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:24:00 -
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Yep, that's right, drones don't require ammo. Neither do T1 lasers. This is why Amarr drone ships are very cost effective.
Usually, on a dedicated drone boat (which is, like, 90% of everything I own) I'll use that extra high slot for a small/medium remote armor repair module. That way I don't even have to pay for my drone repairs, and I can repair them between rooms without having to dock-up first.
Yeah, I'm that cheap. Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |

Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:27:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Yep, that's right, drones don't require ammo. Neither do T1 lasers. This is why Amarr drone ships are very cost effective.
Usually, on a dedicated drone boat (which is, like, 90% of everything I own) I'll use that extra high slot for a small/medium remote armor repair module. That way I don't even have to pay for my drone repairs, and I can repair them between rooms without having to dock-up first.
Yeah, I'm that cheap. I LIKE THIS! someone else posted this idea too-- props |

Centis Adjani
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:30:00 -
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The benefit of sentry is - they draw more damage and they own more tank. Here is a discussion regarding Heavy drones vs. sentry drones: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=33050
But - to survive Level 4 missions is not only a thing of tank and damage! You can do Level 4's in a Battlecruiser, of you know how to handle the mission...
So to know about the mission, which resistances to fit, which ammo to load, which ship is Trigger for the next wave of NPC - this is the way to survive. Even in a ship which is fitted with T1 stuff. Refer to this site for detailed Information about each mission: Eve Survival The name of the site says all...
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Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
58
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:32:00 -
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Ezra Blade Blade wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:Yep, that's right, drones don't require ammo. Neither do T1 lasers. This is why Amarr drone ships are very cost effective.
Usually, on a dedicated drone boat (which is, like, 90% of everything I own) I'll use that extra high slot for a small/medium remote armor repair module. That way I don't even have to pay for my drone repairs, and I can repair them between rooms without having to dock-up first.
Yeah, I'm that cheap. I LIKE THIS! someone else posted this idea too-- props
btw.
garde are pretty good for all missions but angel. u might consider other damage types like warden (kin) curator (em) or bouncers (exp). but i often only used gardes and bouncers on my ishtar. |

Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:53:00 -
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Centis Adjani wrote:The benefit of sentry is - they draw more damage and they own more tank. Here is a discussion regarding Heavy drones vs. sentry drones: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=33050But - to survive Level 4 missions is not only a thing of tank and damage! You can do Level 4's in a Battlecruiser, of you know how to handle the mission... So to know about the mission, which resistances to fit, which ammo to load, which ship is Trigger for the next wave of NPC - this is the way to survive. Even in a ship which is fitted with T1 stuff. Refer to this site for detailed Information about each mission: Eve SurvivalThe name of the site says all...
roger that- ill be looking that up |

Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:55:00 -
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And since you all are so kind to keep up with my annoying questions- will I be changing out my charges (hybrid) often for damage/distance? im lookin to get max range but these tungsten charges are the suck for damage- but they give me good range --im assuming as my skill get better for range-- I can move to a more powerful charge? SPIKE is not an option as of now |

Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
58
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Posted - 2014.01.15 21:02:00 -
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Ezra Blade Blade wrote:And since you all are so kind to keep up with my annoying questions- will I be changing out my charges (hybrid) often for damage/distance? im lookin to get max range but these tungsten charges are the suck for damage- but they give me good range --im assuming as my skill get better for range-- I can move to a more powerful charge? SPIKE is not an option as of now
a domis damage is basically all in here drones. Which means dont worry about your guns maybe fit some med reps/shield transfers instead and let your drones do the work. |

Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:24:00 -
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Ok - so im limping through level 3's- I can do a lvl 3 faster with my BC- Drone damage seems extremely weak compared to my hobgoblin 2's (really expensive to lose those) damage modifiers on medium an dlarge drones are laughable- why are they so low? i'll have sentries trained by tomorrow- but still t1
2 x cap recharger 1 MJD MWD f-90 positional sensor subroutines
2x drone link augmentor 1 4 x 425 mm prototype gauss
3x DDA II 2x beta reactor control 1x large armor rep 1 1x Energized adaptive nano membrane 1
---experimenting with medium and heavy drones--- nothing that shines yet
I know this setup needs help-- but remember, im still t1 on most things-- training everything drones right now |
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Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2014.01.17 04:22:00 -
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Ezra Blade Blade wrote:Ok - so im limping through level 3's- I can do a lvl 3 faster with my BC- Drone damage seems extremely weak compared to my hobgoblin 2's (really expensive to lose those) damage modifiers on medium an dlarge drones are laughable- why are they so low? i'll have sentries trained by tomorrow- but still t1
2 x cap recharger 1 MJD MWD f-90 positional sensor subroutines
2x drone link augmentor 1 4 x 425 mm prototype gauss
3x DDA II 2x beta reactor control 1x large armor rep 1 1x Energized adaptive nano membrane 1
---experimenting with medium and heavy drones--- nothing that shines yet
I know this setup needs help-- but remember, im still t1 on most things-- training everything drones right now
my personal opinion to that fitting is its pretty bad. I linked a domi fit i would prefer before. But to get it straight your drone control range is to low (with Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing 5 only 100km). Get rid of your guns (only fit them when u have spare) and fit more dla. I would max use 1 flight of small drones rest sentries because Domi is specced for sentries.
EDIT: i stated my personal opinion u can ofcourse fly it anyway u like and u feel good with it ^^ |

Treborr MintingtonJr
Quantum Reality R n D Spaceship Samurai
136
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Posted - 2014.01.17 08:45:00 -
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Ezra Blade Blade wrote:Ok - so im limping through level 3's- I can do a lvl 3 faster with my BC- Drone damage seems extremely weak compared to my hobgoblin 2's (really expensive to lose those) damage modifiers on medium an dlarge drones are laughable- why are they so low? i'll have sentries trained by tomorrow- but still t1
2 x cap recharger 1 MJD MWD f-90 positional sensor subroutines
2x drone link augmentor 1 4 x 425 mm prototype gauss
3x DDA II 2x beta reactor control 1x large armor rep 1 1x Energized adaptive nano membrane 1
---experimenting with medium and heavy drones--- nothing that shines yet
I know this setup needs help-- but remember, im still t1 on most things-- training everything drones right now One of the best things about eve is discovering how to fit your ship, mainly through trial and error. It also depends on your tactics.
I wouldn't put both a MJD and a MWD on the domi because you can pretty much MJD up to safety then MJD straight to the gate (bearing in mind its 2 mins until you can use it again). Thats what I do in DED complexes.
With sentries (when you get them) you will need Omni Directional links to make sure you can hit stuff so you don't really need the Cap Rechargers. You will have to manage the cap carefully, the range tank you get with a domi reduces the ammount of damage you receive.
In the Lows I use damage specific armour Hardeners which you can change depending on the rats you are facing.
Even though you can't use tech 2 yet, meta 4 modules are probably the most useful for you. |

Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.01.17 15:27:00 -
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Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:Ezra Blade Blade wrote:Ok - so im limping through level 3's- I can do a lvl 3 faster with my BC- Drone damage seems extremely weak compared to my hobgoblin 2's (really expensive to lose those) damage modifiers on medium an dlarge drones are laughable- why are they so low? i'll have sentries trained by tomorrow- but still t1
2 x cap recharger 1 MJD MWD f-90 positional sensor subroutines
2x drone link augmentor 1 4 x 425 mm prototype gauss
3x DDA II 2x beta reactor control 1x large armor rep 1 1x Energized adaptive nano membrane 1
---experimenting with medium and heavy drones--- nothing that shines yet
I know this setup needs help-- but remember, im still t1 on most things-- training everything drones right now my personal opinion to that fitting is its pretty bad. I linked a domi fit i would prefer before. But to get it straight your drone control range is to low (with Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing 5 only 100km). Get rid of your guns (only fit them when u have spare) and fit more dla. I would max use 1 flight of small drones rest sentries because Domi is specced for sentries. EDIT: i stated my personal opinion u can ofcourse fly it anyway u like and u feel good with it ^^
Thanks for being honest but not berating me- I know the fit is bad, but I cant get anywhere near the gear that has been posted so far- so im piece-mealing at this time- Ill look at your fit again and get the cheaper modules of what you show |

Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.01.17 15:30:00 -
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Quote: One of the best things about eve is discovering how to fit your ship, mainly through trial and error. It also depends on your tactics.
I wouldn't put both a MJD and a MWD on the domi because you can pretty much MJD up to safety then MJD straight to the gate (bearing in mind its 2 mins until you can use it again). Thats what I do in DED complexes.
With sentries (when you get them) you will need Omni Directional links to make sure you can hit stuff so you don't really need the Cap Rechargers. You will have to manage the cap carefully, the range tank you get with a domi reduces the ammount of damage you receive.
In the Lows I use damage specific armour Hardeners which you can change depending on the rats you are facing.
Even though you can't use tech 2 yet, meta 4 modules are probably the most useful for you.
Thanks man- I am readjusting now! You all have been great- thanks for taking the time to walk me through it. Experimenting I know is part of it- but also still somewhat limited by my skills at this point.
sentry training finished this morning- now to go buy them and give em a whirl! |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
256
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Posted - 2014.01.17 17:12:00 -
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remember to use the compare tool for any mods you are unsure of, there are some surprising examples where the lower meta modules are better and cheaper than their t2 counterparts, there's a sticky devoted to listing them in ships & modules. If in doubt...do...excessively. |

Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.01.17 17:34:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:remember to use the compare tool for any mods you are unsure of, there are some surprising examples where the lower meta modules are better and cheaper than their t2 counterparts, there's a sticky devoted to listing them in ships & modules.
AWESOME! I never knew of a compare tool...but I've clicked on everything and right clicked and double clicked and click click boomed and have yet to see a compare tool--- can you help me find it? or is it a different program |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
256
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Posted - 2014.01.17 17:53:00 -
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neocom panel on the left , i think it starts life near the bottom if you haven't moved stuff around when you click on it, you get a tab with two pretty empty (baring some prompt txt) windows, drag module icons (ccp are making this possible from almost anywhere in the ui) into the window on the right you can compare a number of modules by any attributes they share. you can use this to get some surprisingly good fits out of relatively cheap modules. its also great for finding which faction mods are actually worth using and which are for magpies. If in doubt...do...excessively. |

Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.17 19:16:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:neocom panel on the left , i think it starts life near the bottom if you haven't moved stuff around when you click on it, you get a tab with two pretty empty (baring some prompt txt) windows, drag module icons (ccp are making this possible from almost anywhere in the ui) into the window on the right you can compare a number of modules by any attributes they share. you can use this to get some surprisingly good fits out of relatively cheap modules. its also great for finding which faction mods are actually worth using and which are for magpies.
Edit: seriously, finding this thing was a MASSIVE help for my ability to fit ships. it should also save you a fair bit of isk,time and effort
....This changes my life! Thanks for taking the time to post this!!!!! Everyone needs to know about this- ! |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
256
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Posted - 2014.01.17 19:39:00 -
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Ezra Blade Blade wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:neocom panel on the left , i think it starts life near the bottom if you haven't moved stuff around when you click on it, you get a tab with two pretty empty (baring some prompt txt) windows, drag module icons (ccp are making this possible from almost anywhere in the ui) into the window on the right you can compare a number of modules by any attributes they share. you can use this to get some surprisingly good fits out of relatively cheap modules. its also great for finding which faction mods are actually worth using and which are for magpies.
Edit: seriously, finding this thing was a MASSIVE help for my ability to fit ships. it should also save you a fair bit of isk,time and effort ....This changes my life! Thanks for taking the time to post this!!!!! Everyone needs to know about this- ! no problem dude,
If in doubt...do...excessively. |

Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
62
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Posted - 2014.01.18 18:15:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Ezra Blade Blade wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:neocom panel on the left , i think it starts life near the bottom if you haven't moved stuff around when you click on it, you get a tab with two pretty empty (baring some prompt txt) windows, drag module icons (ccp are making this possible from almost anywhere in the ui) into the window on the right you can compare a number of modules by any attributes they share. you can use this to get some surprisingly good fits out of relatively cheap modules. its also great for finding which faction mods are actually worth using and which are for magpies.
Edit: seriously, finding this thing was a MASSIVE help for my ability to fit ships. it should also save you a fair bit of isk,time and effort ....This changes my life! Thanks for taking the time to post this!!!!! Everyone needs to know about this- ! no problem dude,
u can also find a compare button in the show info window in the variations tab at the buttom |
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