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Ezra Blade Blade Aliastra Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.01.09 18:55:00 - [1] - Quote Looking for some good vet/experienced player advice. I am running level 3's easy now, really enjoy it- But I have heard a lot of hugabaloo about lvl 4's. I'm a little hesitant to spend 200 mil on a nice BS with drones and get my arse blown up. I ain't made of isk..yet Ill be getting a dominix and would like some input on which fittings to never leave home without- and how to conterract the ecm stuff I've been reading about. any input is nice and will be considered. As a new pilot, im sure there are many things I am missing or haven't thought of. thanks in advance
Ezra Blade Blade Aliastra Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.01.09 19:11:00 - [2] - Quote come on people, im at work all day and need some info! drop by, say hai! something?
Batelle Komm susser Tod 1179	Posted - 2014.01.09 19:12:00 - [3] - Quote never leave without a mobile depot, along with extra tank mods, extra damage mods, and extra prop mods. If its your first time in a domi, use to steamroll level 3s for awhile before you jump to 4's, as quickly doing 3's is better than slowly doing 4's. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Ezra Blade Blade Aliastra Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.01.09 19:14:00 - [4] - Quote Thanks Batelle. Can you clarify a mobile depot? ill evelopedia it too. I just like to get player's explanations and POV's. eve search is a bit dry and makes assumtions that you know what you're doing. but roger that on getting used to it on the lvl 3's
sabiens Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.01.09 19:17:00 - [5] - Quote Check each level 4 mission in eve survival. Make sure you know about damage types and resists. You can also join the helpmymission channel and run missions with people there. The extra dps from their ships will leave you much more room for error since dps = tank. Then after you make some isk and have some skills solo the level 4s. You can also test fits out on the test server. ps Watch the warp scrambling frigates in Worlds Collide or you might get full room agro and your ship popped.
logic principle3 Knights-of-Cydonia 6	Posted - 2014.01.09 19:18:00 - [6] - Quote The dominix has an awesome bonus to drone optimal range. If you combine this with any sentry that is not a garde you have incredible range projection (you just need to use the right damage type as you are no longer using the top DPS drone). You can theoretically push a curator into hitting above 100km, which is the 3rd shortest range drone. With that in mind, you really do not have to fit an incredible tank and you can still not have much of a concern of blowing up. How to do this? - May I point you toward the MJD. [Dominix, New Setup 3] Large Armor Repairer II Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Co-Processor II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Large Micro Jump Drive Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Dual 250mm Railgun II, Spike L Dual 250mm Railgun II, Spike L Dual 250mm Railgun II, Spike L Dual 250mm Railgun II, Spike L Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I Large Drone Scope Chip I Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Bouncer II x5
Ezra Blade Blade Aliastra Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.01.09 19:21:00 - [7] - Quote logic principle3 wrote: The dominix has an awesome bonus to drone optimal range. If you combine this with any sentry that is not a garde you have incredible range projection (you just need to use the right damage type as you are no longer using the top DPS drone). You can theoretically push a curator into hitting above 100km, which is the 3rd shortest range drone. With that in mind, you really do not have to fit an incredible tank and you can still not have much of a concern of blowing up. How to do this? - May I point you toward the MJD. [Dominix, New Setup 3] Large Armor Repairer II Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Co-Processor II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Large Micro Jump Drive Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Dual 250mm Railgun II, Spike L Dual 250mm Railgun II, Spike L Dual 250mm Railgun II, Spike L Dual 250mm Railgun II, Spike L Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I Large Drone Scope Chip I Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Bouncer II x5 GREAT THANKS ! there is a lot of info here that I wasn't aware of- I will EFT that fit and see what it looks like. Some of these items ive never even heard of, thank you for taking the time to post so I have a starting point to do some research!
Batelle Komm susser Tod 1179	Posted - 2014.01.09 19:33:00 - [8] - Quote confirming domi is pretty easy mode awesome. Once you sit in it don't stop training drone skills till you have t2 sentries, drone interfacing 5, and gal battleship 5. Use navy drones until you get t2s. Use 1 set of gardes for closer targets and 1 set based on the weakness of the opposition. It works because gardes are shortest range, highest dps, and thermal is the 2nd or 3rd weakest resist. The other 3 types are longer range, lower dps, but you can always pick a set that is the weakest resist. You can switch drones in your bay with a mobile depot or when you accept a mission. Always drop your MD when you drop sentries. A lot of times you'll be taking so little dps from being at range that you'll want to be able to fit up to 4 DDAs and a magstab. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Gimme more Cynos Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 115	Posted - 2014.01.09 19:51:00 - [9] - Quote Just don't be affraid. Large MJD on a Domi is eazymode, and theoretically, you shouldn't die with it in lv's 4.. ever. Large MJD and a mobile Depot = even more easymode (thought that isn't possible, hum? ;))
Estella Osoka Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis 272	Posted - 2014.01.09 20:00:00 - [10] - Quote Gardes for under 50km. Bouncers for mid-range 48km-80km, Wardens for long-range 90km+.

Ezra Blade Blade Aliastra Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.01.09 20:06:00 - [11] - Quote all this info is mind blowing and super useful- thanks for taking the time to help a noob- Question about the ranges- WTH would I be doing at 50k-90k distance? just drone damage or are there Large rails that actually shoot that far? ill be researching but on my BC using rails- im only at like 30-40 k--- im assuming ammo type and skills will play in to this?
Ezra Blade Blade Aliastra Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.01.09 21:00:00 - [12] - Quote ok thanks folks, this is a good amount of information to start with-- appreciated
Corthon Bar Noir Standing United. 4	Posted - 2014.01.10 03:15:00 - [13] - Quote Simple. Do not do missions for fun. If you do them for fun as your eve career you will be immensly bored quite fast and perhaps quit, and we need all the pilots we can get. Just do missions for a source of income, and then spend your days thinking about funner things like nullsec activites or wormholes. Saying that as a new player I highly suggest battleclinic for your ship fittings. Fly safe o7
Corthon Bar Noir Standing United. 4	Posted - 2014.01.10 03:17:00 - [14] - Quote And as it stands the most popular ships -flavor of the month- are ships that can fi a micro jump drive and use sentry drones basicly range tanking, Dominix does this very well, however I highly enjoy the raven hull and all its variants the most bieng able to fling cruise missles at others from very good distances and still being able to tank like a brick.
Dirk Massive D.O.O.M. 28	Posted - 2014.01.10 05:30:00 - [15] - Quote Drones can be a bit tricky to use in some of these missions. So a Domi wouldn't be my first choice as a level 4 mission runner, but you can manage. A Megathron or Hyperion might be a much better choice. And beware of the criminals amongst us who are shooting MTU's, and stealing loot. Make sure those drones are set to passive.
Treborr MintingtonJr Quantum Reality R n D Spaceship Samurai 132	Posted - 2014.01.10 10:28:00 - [16] - Quote Personally I would agree with "Gimme more Cynos" put a Micro Jump Drive on my Dominix (if you use one) as you can jump away from NPC frigates that scram you then once the scram is out of range, warp away safely if needed. (Bearing in mind if a PLAYER scrams you, you are unable to use it but they shouldn't get that close) This modules has saved me from countless scramming frigate rats and various interceptors in Nullsec. Also Domi with sentry drones use no ammo and are very effective against killing frigate rats.
Hagraven Marecek Carebear Armada 35	Posted - 2014.01.10 10:30:00 - [17] - Quote Domi setup is ok, but I tried a little alternative which works fine for me-instead of equiping domi with large guns (which cause trouble with fitting), I use a set of small lasers. Domi has no bonuses for guns anymore, so it doesn't matter which ones you want to use, and it does not do any considerable damage with any of them either. With small guns: 1) you dont have to use the co-processor, so you can fit something else instead-with low skill points I would suggest third armor hardener, or adaptive nano membrane/Damage control. Just in case something goes wrong ;) 2) you use the small guns to destroy frigates, so you don't have to switch drones between sentry/light-you just shoot the big targets with your sentries, and small targets with turrets. I don't say it's better, just giving you a little alternative which works too :)
erg cz Sliperer 53	Posted - 2014.01.10 10:47:00 - [18] - Quote As a newbee he will probably need a range tank. So expensive hyperion with its short target range can be tricky. Dominix requires to sit still and not all L4 missions allow this. Megathron can be an interesting option as it has longest target range and guns are easier to use, than sentry drones. But it has only 75 drone bay... When I planned to utilise L4 missioning as my main source of income, I decided to go amarr ships, cause with dronnes and lasers you do not need to reload or buy ammo. So no I use Armageddon navy issue for this but it is limited by the fact, that lasers do only two kinds of damage. Just as rails. Dominix and normal Armageddon do not have bonuses for guns, so you can use whatever guns on them, even artillery, which will allow you to ajust your damage type to mission. Armageddone will allow you to use missiles or bigger guns, but it is his only plus against Dominix. Dominix is better, IMHO. You will need one high slots for drone link augmentor any way, so both ships will have 4 or 5 guns. [Dominix] Reactor Control Unit II Large Armor Repairer II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Sensor Booster II Cap Recharger II Large Micro Jump Drive Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II 1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I 1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I 1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I 1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Nanobot Accelerator I Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I
dexington Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1045	Posted - 2014.01.10 15:08:00 - [19] - Quote The downside to training for the dominix, is the massive amount of skillpoints you need to invest in drone skills. The dominix is a great drone boat, and ccp have generally been improving and making drones a valid weapon system on more ships. The major downside to drones is the npc aggro system, you can't really use anything except sentry drones, and not a lot of ships are good sentry platforms. The skill points you invest in drones are not useful on all ships, and they are only 100% effective on very few ships. If you train gunnery skills, you are going to have more options to train for different ships, compared to training drones. The first ship i trained for when i started was the dominix, and i had a good time flying it, but when i got bored with missions i was stuck with drone ships for a long time. Vexor, Myrmidon and Dominix are going to be the most viable ships for you to fly, make sure you like all of them before you commit to training drones. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Treborr MintingtonJr Quantum Reality R n D Spaceship Samurai 134	Posted - 2014.01.10 15:50:00 - [20] - Quote Even though drone aggro is an issue, its managable, if you can target and order drones to engage ships at around 135km using the Large Micro Jump drive to put yourself into this position (I aim for around 100km) nothing should get near you to even do any significant damage to them. If one does get too much aggro, pull it back into your drone bay then put out another, easy. You can also use the MJD to reposition yourself. If you can, fit either an armour rep or a shield rep to repair your own drones while they are in space. You can also use this drone aggro to your advantage in some situations, I've found that if the rats concentrate on your drones and ignore you then you don't get as much damage, if any. I've been in some complexes where no rat targets me, giving me the option to cloak (when I have one fitted) when a hostile enters the system. Personally I'd say its a good investment in skill points and have not got bored of my Domi. Range tank has saved me from ganks countless times.

Ezra Blade Blade Aliastra Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.01.10 17:16:00 - [21] - Quote This info is blowing my mind- Im thankful for those that have posted- I will start my research on these fittings and take the info into consideration--- im not so nervous anymore :)
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 758	Posted - 2014.01.12 10:05:00 - [22] - Quote If you just start out doing L4s in a Domi and safety is your primary concern, you might consider fitting 2 Large Armor Reppers and a couple of Cap Rechargers. That should give you enough tank for virtually anything that could go wrong. Just don-¦t perma-run both them In fact, consider the second one purely an emergency system. Once you are comfortable with running L4s and find that you don-¦t need the second LAR, switch it out (as well as a few of the cap rechargers) for more damage mods. Something like the fits listed above. DPS tank best tank, after all. Also, a Domi (or Navy Domi) can be shield fitted too for awesome DPS but that requires very goods skills. Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20. Need to advertise your Corp or service? Look no further, this space is now for rent!
Jeanne-Luise Argenau Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 53	Posted - 2014.01.12 17:47:00 - [23] - Quote i havent used a domi since they were redone. This is an all l5 fit i would use. shortest range on the garde is 90km. 5 minutes cap 800dps with gardes (Drone Controle Range 132km) 350 Serpentis tank (should be enough to jump and start sniping) max target range 170km [Dominix, mission] 3x Drone Link Augmentor II 3x 1200mm Artillery Cannon II (Proton L) Large Micro Jump Drive Sensor Booster II (Targeting Range Script) 3x Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Large Armor Repairer II Corelum A-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane Corelum A-Type Energized Thermic Membrane 4x Drone Damage Amplifier II Large Ionic Field Projector I 2x Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I 5x Garde II 5x Curator II 5x Bouncer II Edit: to get your feet wet start with a dual tanked cap stable domi like afore mentioned
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 2174	Posted - 2014.01.14 01:04:00 - [24] - Quote Important thing to remember about the L4 threshold is that rats will warp scramble you. Luckily, it's only the rat frigates that do this. Which is why when you're doing L4s you always want to kill rats in order from the smallest to the largest. Yes the big ships do more DPS but it's the little buggers that lock you down and make it impossible to retreat. So long as you don't get scrambled you can always run away if things go sour. The rat cruisers start using a lot of EWAR, but as a drone ship you can pretty much ignore all incoming EWAR except for the buggers that web your drones. That's how you lose non-sentries and it sucks. CCP's drone hate patch has finally been toned down so that rats actually have to target your drones (read: require time to lock on) and can actually miss them. When that patch first launched rats insta-locked and autohit drones and there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth (I was one of the wailers and gnashers myself) as drones would explode literally within one second of launching. Since then it's eased back and if you watch closely when you launch your drones you can spot rats ceasing fire for a few seconds while they retarget over to your drones, and that's the time window in which you need to recall them. Sentries are great but done forget to pack some light drones to deal with the little frigates that zerg you and get under sentry range (see above). Once those scramble friagtes get under 20km or so you'll want to switch to your lights because they're ideal for frigate popping (fast, high tracking, etc). I've also been told that you can switch to something called "guns" for them but I really don't know what those are. Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif
Jeanne-Luise Argenau Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 54	Posted - 2014.01.14 23:28:00 - [25] - Quote Katran Luftschreck wrote: Important thing to remember about the L4 threshold is that rats will warp scramble you. Wrong they dont warp scramble, they warp disrupt. Which means mjd and mwd works. Katran Luftschreck wrote: Luckily, it's only the rat frigates that do this. Which is why when you're doing L4s you always want to kill rats in order from the smallest to the largest. Yes the big ships do more DPS but it's the little buggers that lock you down and make it impossible to retreat. So long as you don't get scrambled you can always run away if things go sour. The rat cruisers start using a lot of EWAR, but as a drone ship you can pretty much ignore all incoming EWAR except for the buggers that web your drones. That's how you lose non-sentries and it sucks. correct and sometimes wrong. U have to be aware of neuting ships against blood raiders stay at a range above 40km and all is golden. Also be aware of the blockade where my drone ai always primaried the trigger when my sensors where in lock down. Katran Luftschreck wrote: CCP's drone hate patch has finally been toned down so that rats actually have to target your drones (read: require time to lock on) and can actually miss them. When that patch first launched rats insta-locked and autohit drones and there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth (I was one of the wailers and gnashers myself) as drones would explode literally within one second of launching. Since then it's eased back and if you watch closely when you launch your drones you can spot rats ceasing fire for a few seconds while they retarget over to your drones, and that's the time window in which you need to recall them. u r right but small drones can still die rly fast Katran Luftschreck wrote: Sentries are great but done forget to pack some light drones to deal with the little frigates that zerg you and get under sentry range (see above). Once those scramble friagtes get under 20km or so you'll want to switch to your lights because they're ideal for frigate popping (fast, high tracking, etc). I've also been told that you can switch to something called "guns" for them but I really don't know what those are. again good tip, but i used to snipe the frigates with my gardes normaly before they even come close when i use my mwd ishtar.
Maxor Swift Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 5	Posted - 2014.01.15 02:28:00 - [26] - Quote People have got most covered but the one thing that i didnt take in to account when i started that i wished i had was standings its much easier to repair your standing if you never have to, to start with lol. try not to do any faction missions if you can help it .Set up a triangle of level 4 agents so you will always have a mission to do if you have to refuse one and remember to learn security connections asap.
Rexxorr Zero Corp Tax2 63	Posted - 2014.01.15 02:56:00 - [27] - Quote When I first started eve, two weeks in I was flying a drake doing lvl 3s one month in I flying a raven doing lvl 4s two month in I was flying a cnr Key points to starting lvl 4s, use the eve survival mission guide and tailor your tank/damage to the mission you are doing. train up t2 scout drones to kill quickly those npc frigs you can fit a large micro jump drive to get distance from npc which makes incoming dps that much less It can be done, GL
Ezra Blade Blade Aliastra Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:01:00 - [28] - Quote Everyone's input on this has been amazing for me (whether in the grand scheme it is the best advice- we won't put that to judgement) because It has brought to light situations that I wouldn't have thought of. My main issue now is that I am no where near being able to get the t2 stuff that most of you have posted- as of right now 90% of the fittings are a t1...it will be weeks before I can get into t2...BUT ill try out my boat on l3's and get used to how she handles- another question if you don't mind...for starters id lilke to not be switching out guns/drones/fittings- so as far as drones go-- what is the benefit of a sentry drone over heavy attack- is it just the armor? they can take a beating? thanks!
Jeanne-Luise Argenau Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 57	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:18:00 - [29] - Quote Ezra Blade Blade wrote: Everyone's input on this has been amazing for me (whether in the grand scheme it is the best advice- we won't put that to judgement) because It has brought to light situations that I wouldn't have thought of. My main issue now is that I am no where near being able to get the t2 stuff that most of you have posted- as of right now 90% of the fittings are a t1...it will be weeks before I can get into t2...BUT ill try out my boat on l3's and get used to how she handles- another question if you don't mind...for starters id lilke to not be switching out guns/drones/fittings- so as far as drones go-- what is the benefit of a sentry drone over heavy attack- is it just the armor? they can take a beating? thanks! sentry do instant damage, where heavy combat drones are slow and have to travel between targets. tank fit it rat specific else u need a higher slot amount for tank in my experience. guns meta 4 and u wont need to switch them normaly. t2 in tank is the most important i would say. but weapon support is directly afterwards.
Ezra Blade Blade Aliastra Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:18:00 - [30] - Quote Nerath Naaris wrote: If you just start out doing L4s in a Domi and safety is your primary concern, you might consider fitting 2 Large Armor Reppers and a couple of Cap Rechargers. That should give you enough tank for virtually anything that could go wrong. Just don-¦t perma-run both them In fact, consider the second one purely an emergency system. Once you are comfortable with running L4s and find that you don-¦t need the second LAR, switch it out (as well as a few of the cap rechargers) for more damage mods. Something like the fits listed above. DPS tank best tank, after all. Also, a Domi (or Navy Domi) can be shield fitted too for awesome DPS but that requires very goods skills. +1 thanks- safety is key for me right now as I build up my isk from blowing 1/2 of it on the dom/fittings :)



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