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Sourus
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Posted - 2003.09.10 15:26:00 -
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Edited by: Sourus on 10/09/2003 15:41:24
Since ore theft is perfectly legal, why not have ship theft as well.
We all know that some are AFK mining with macros (asleep at the controls with the autopilot running). This would be a perfect opportunity to steal their ship.
A ship hacking skill (% chance of success) would enable a ship thief to board the ship and eject the pilot. Since thievery is not a criminal act in the world of EVE, no police will show up. No sec hit is taken.
So you'd have to watch out for noob ships and shuttles in the belt (they have to leave them to board your ship). The only way to counter it in secure space is to run away.
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Sourus
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Posted - 2003.09.10 15:50:00 -
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Just read about "contraband flagging".
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Boarding abandoned ships will result in them being tagged as stolen and being found piloting illegal or stolen ships will be a ship destruction level crime.
Guess it won't be legal after all :) Super cool.
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Sidus
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Posted - 2003.09.11 16:45:00 -
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I can't wait to melt down my first stolen ship... LOL
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.09.11 21:36:00 -
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Since thievery is not a criminal act in the world of EVE...
Where do you get that from? There's no case I can think of where it's *possible* to steal from a player, let alone legal to do so.
Or are you still confused about the fact that once you jettison ore it doesn't belong to you any more and therefore cannot be stolen.
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SW nomad21
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Posted - 2003.09.12 03:33:00 -
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lol baldour, i think i've run in to your specific logic of classifying theivery before.
when i get out of my car i'm not saying
"here is my car, everyone feel free to take it"
even if i were foolish enough to leave my keys in it, its relocation without my knowledge would be classified as (grand) theft (auto).
leaving things somewhere that are not under your direct, specific control IS NOT equivilent to relinqueshing ownership of those things
p.s. like your thoughts sourus, in my opinion they need development, but tho i abhor theivery, i do believe that it has a place as a profession in EVE (see post i made on topic of ore theivery, by now somewhere in the dregs of the idea lab forums)
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.09.12 10:26:00 -
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lol baldour, i think i've run in to your specific logic of classifying theivery before.
when i get out of my car i'm not saying
"here is my car, everyone feel free to take it"
even if i were foolish enough to leave my keys in it, its relocation without my knowledge would be classified as (grand) theft (auto).
leaving things somewhere that are not under your direct, specific control IS NOT equivilent to relinqueshing ownership of those things
Why are you finding it so difficult to get into your head that EVE law is not the same as the law where you live? And why did you ever even think that it would be?
I'm perfectly aware that my logic doesn't apply to US or UK law. I'm not TALKING about US or UK law, they have no place here.
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SW nomad21
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Posted - 2003.09.12 13:01:00 -
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ah.. just providing an example, not indicating that the US or UK had such laws, just that the world in general, and nearly all fictional worlds as well have such commonly accepted interpretations of theivery..
so we don't muddy the waters of this post, lets continue our depate on my thread, Mining and Theivery Development
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Trixxy
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Posted - 2003.09.12 19:30:00 -
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Unfortunately ore theft is not theft in the real world either. I've mentioned in other threads, so may as well mention it here...
Asteroids are public property. When mining a roid, you don't have legal claim to it, and therefore don't have legal claim to the ore you get from it. So when you jettison the ore, it is not YOUR ore you are jettisoning, it is public ore. As such it is no crime for anyone to come and take it.
Just because it's packaged in a container you provided does not make the contents yours.
A car is a poor real world example. A better example will be rain. You capture a cupfull of rain during a storm. Lets say the cup is yours. Now put that cup on the ground next to you. When someone comes and drinks the water from the cup, try accuse the man of being a thief because he took the water that you collected from the sky. It's in YOUR cup so it must be YOUR water, right? Erm, wrong. You'll have a hard time getting the drinker arrested I'm afraid.
So nope, you can't compare ship theft to ore theft. The ship is registered as yours. The ore isn't. This has nothing to do with Eve law being different from real life law. It's got to do with plain common sense.
I believe this topic was described as a dead horse in another thread on another forum. I personally agree.
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SW nomad21
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Posted - 2003.09.12 23:09:00 -
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see mining and thievery development for more on theft debate (so far its a decent debate, with far less flaming that normal)
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Ka'loor
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Posted - 2003.09.13 15:35:00 -
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Trixxy, there are no lwas for roids, because we dont need laws for roids.....imagine if we had access to them, we would have laws, russian miners couldnt just lunge into US are and mine their roids......its like oil nowadays, you just dont get thne oil your neighbor owns........So yes, Minmatar miners, shouldnt show up in Amarr space......
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