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Front Ironheart Strategic Aerospace Industries 0	Posted - 2014.01.11 07:40:00 - [1] - Quote One of the biggest complaints I hear from people who don't play EVE involves the fact that a new player will never, ever be able to catch up with an older player in skill points assuming that the old player never stops paying on their subscription. Well, Insert Dust 514. I happen to like the skill system in Dust quite a bit, in fact, I like it more than the time based training system we have in EVE. It is one of the most unique and interesting level/skill/xp/progression systems I have ever seen in any MMORPG. So that got me thinking and I think I have a decent idea. According to the lore (and feel free to correct me if I am wrong) when someone gets podded at the very last moment before death the information in their brain is digitized and transferred to their new clone. What if some faction in New Eden delivered onto us the technology to sort of intercept that information transfer. I don't mean block it, I just mean, listen in a little bit, maybe catch a glimpse of what is in that big capsuleer brain. In short, what if when you podded someone, you gained some skillpoints, kind of in the same way that you get skillpoints at the end of a match in Dust? This would be in addition to the skill training system that EVE already has in effect. I think this gives people an avenue to potentially catch up to the even the oldest player with enough motivated activity, and it provides a great (wait for it) conflict driver!
Front Ironheart Strategic Aerospace Industries 0	Posted - 2014.01.11 08:08:00 - [2] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Copy pasting my standard Skillpoint rant: When you are talking about getting people into a game, reality/fact/truth doesn't matter, their perception matters. Quite a few people feel that the skill system in EVE will always keep them under the foot of older players. I'm not saying its true, I'm just saying I've heard it quite a bit from people who won't play because of it. ShahFluffers wrote: Exploit found: have a friend pod you over and over again to gain skillpoints. Diminishing returns would quite easily fix that.
Front Ironheart Strategic Aerospace Industries 0	Posted - 2014.01.11 17:02:00 - [3] - Quote Guys, I think I did a pretty terrible job at describing this if you think you can just pod your alts and become an instant know-it-all. The idea is that you would get a small amount of SP that would suffer from diminishing returns. If you wanted to actually gain a substantial amount of SP you would have to go out into the galaxy and actively seek players you have not already podded to continue to gain SP. Someone also mentioned the idea that noobs would give fewer skill points. That could also be a ISK deterrent, attach the SP gained directly to a percentage of the podded characters skill points or clone type. Also, split the SP gain among the gang that did the podding, to deter blobbing for SP. This might actually encourage solo PVP. Add in a timer that resets the diminishing returns, following the way do in Dust with their bonus. Lastly, to the guys that say "No Dust in mah EVE", I didn't even want to see the healer class in eve, but alas the logi is and has been here to stay for quite some time. The game changes and Dust does have merits as a game.
Front Ironheart Strategic Aerospace Industries 0	Posted - 2014.01.11 17:21:00 - [4] - Quote Danika Princip wrote: OH, so the new way to gain massive amounts of SP is to park a disco BS in Jita? Or is the amount of SP gained for podding someone so minuscule that you might as well not bother? What would I get for podding my 80 and 50 million SP alts? Why is this needed? :V I was thinking along the lines of 0.01%/0.02% of the SP total podded, not a ton, but enough to speed up training with enough activity. And with diminishing returns in effect, who cares if you pod yourself? I would imagine that podding yourself in public would come with its own interesting consequences, like people having a new method to figure out who your alts are and probably making fun of you on the forums for podding yourself habitually. A disco BS in Jita comes with its own consequences. This is needed to refute one of the most common arguments against EVE that I hear and to encourage more PVP while giving people a route to actively increase their skill points.
Front Ironheart Strategic Aerospace Industries 0	Posted - 2014.01.11 17:47:00 - [5] - Quote Danika Princip wrote: Stuff So for one day you get to double your skill point gain because you pod your alt. Meanwhile, those more motivated than you are actively trying to seek you, and others like you out while you spend that extra one hour a day in belts ratting and continue to make gains all week long as they find and pod their targets. How exactly would this vastly increase the gap when it is equal opportunity? If anything the gap would increase between people who actually fly spaceships and those who sit in stations. I also see no reason why the math can't be adjusted to reasonable levels if people think it is too much. This is more about giving someone the active ability to advance their character in something other than pure ISK. And just to put to bed the ISK for SP argument, you can already legally do that by buying a character for ISK off the character bazaar, but some people would probably prefer to advance the character of their own creation rather than buying someones name and SP.
Front Ironheart Strategic Aerospace Industries 0	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:03:00 - [6] - Quote Okay, giving you the benefit of the doubt, can you think of any way to make it so that rich, old, vet players wouldn't benefit as much?
Front Ironheart Strategic Aerospace Industries 0	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:31:00 - [7] - Quote Danika Princip wrote: Front wrote: Okay, giving you the benefit of the doubt, can you think of any way to make it so that rich, old, vet players wouldn't benefit as much? Not without adding a massive list of arbitrary restrictions. It's an idea that gets proposed fairly often, and as far as I know, no-one has figured out how to stop people abusing it. What if instead of tying it to an existing game mechanic (such as podding) it was tied to some new mechanic similar to ghost sites, where the solution spawned randomly in the galaxy and could be done by anyone.

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