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Mojo Joo
Scrap Iron Flotilla
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:09:00 -
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This kills are for profit too or just for tears?
https://zkillboard.com/corporation/98185728/kills/
When enough low skill players with a bit of leadership will do this "en masse" you will see that will become a very serious game play problem.
Think, for example, about when some multi-boxers will see that kills on killboard and begin to decimate ships in high sec for money or just for fun and tears...
The only reason for what you still not see it like a broken game mechanic, is that are still not many players who know how funny and easy is to kill very expensive ships at almost no cost (in isk or security status).
To be honest i think very serious to get few friends in destroyers, pay for their security status tags and go ruin the day to all people who i do not like 
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Mojo Joo
Scrap Iron Flotilla
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:24:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:
I see gankers making lots of isk off of people being stupid.
My point was if a mission runner fits well and plans for ganks that gankers will most likely lose money against them.
If people have enough friends to ruin your day or enough isk to burn through tornadoes good for them.
The problem is that they don't need tornado to kill faction battleships, and a failed attack don't mean any real money lose for them because destroyers are dirty cheap. Using destroyers they kill ships who worth 2000 times more! There is no real cost barrier for them, and with introduction of security tags was lifted the security status trash too.
You think that you are smart ant that will save you? Anytime you will find there a smarter ganker, ready to find a way to kill you, and your false sense of security will not protect against people who are determined to kill you  |
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
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Posted - 2014.01.12 10:44:00 -
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The more isk value is your potential drop the biger bullseye is painted on your ship for gankers. The idea is making gankers lose more money on gank then you drop for example not fitting over 1Bil of mods on ship with no buffer. Noone ganks T2 fitted ships. Even catalysts are not for free and their pilots have limited time. Concord arrival times are known and you can compute how much catalysts are nescessay to gank your ship before concord arrives and adjust your fit according to it.
Hi-sec is place with the most kills per player in new eden so play according to it. If you play reasonably cheap you are safe. If you fit all blue you would be safer in nullsec but still... laughing stock after succesful enemy gank.
Ganking is legitimate tactics and is working as intended. Used practice is Tornados for freighters/industrials/missioners on gates, catalysts for missioners in missions and miners in belt. |
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
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Posted - 2014.01.12 11:51:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:
7.5 standings with all Empire Factions ??????
DMC
Correction 7.5 with just the four main factions. By using your Plan, each Epic Arc every 90 days, and a rather OCD mission running etiquette of 16 missions and a storyline till I get a something other than 'Materials for War' then go run 16 for another faction.
Things that keep me up at night;-á
Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs?
Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Mojo Joo
Scrap Iron Flotilla
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Posted - 2014.01.12 13:55:00 -
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"Even catalysts are not for free and their pilots have limited time"
Yeah, indeed, otherwise we will not had miners and missioners in high sec anymore  |
Little Blackjack
Money Savers Inc
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Posted - 2014.01.12 15:41:00 -
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Gank in Highsec exists. Yes. Welcome to eve- deal with it. Being helpful at helpchannels, I'd like to give you some hints:
1) Evaluate your current gank risk level!
How can you do so?
- get to know gankers tactics. They usually operate at mission hubs, because they now a lot of noobs troll around there.
- stay cloaky at your favorite systems, whatch gankers work. Add every confirmed ganker to your contact list as -10 standing and have them marked online. Also mark their corp/ally, if this is a gankers corp/ally.
- watch local and your contact list before undocking. How many reds are online in your sys?
2) Dont fly shiny ships. Fly T2 only. If you prefer shiny ships, there are some basic rules:
- always fly omni tanked, never mission specific!
- always fly buffer tanked, nevery booster. You want to survive their alpha or if in 0.5 sec maybe their 2-3 alphas before concord saves you
- always fly active hardeners and be prepared to immediatly overheat everything as soon as they warp-scramble you. This will gie you 20-40% more EHP. All you need to do ist to survive a maximum of 30 secs. so through it all in!
- Fly as much ehp as needed for your fit. if you fly a 10b ship, dont bring just 50k Ehp. Bring 250k minimum plus overheat.
- Add an ASB (if shield tanked). Use only navy caps. The ASB will recharge you quickly during the gank and directly after so gankers cant come a second wave.
If you follow the above suggestions, your reward will be extremely well, ISK/h wise. You will collect all the gankers loot and get killrights on each of them. Sell those for 20m each, cause even gankers fly shiny ships in missions here and then. Or they will take the killright off themselves giving you 20m per killright. This way, a failed gank attempt will bring you easily 200-300m in loot/killrights within 30 seconds. There is no better isk/h rate in all eve.
Enjoy and fly safe!
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Little Blackjack
Money Savers Inc
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Posted - 2014.01.12 15:47:00 -
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Mojo Joo wrote:
You are agree that that gankers make obscene amount of isk very easy with zero risk? That need to be fixed, every player with low skills who get enough friends in destroyers can make a lot of money killing faction ships, or just enjoy killing at low cost a lot of expensive mining barges.
Eve is about finding those nieches where you can make obscene amount of isk with zero risk. Ganking is just one of them, scamming another, trading a third and there are much more. Play less risky if you are not ready to take any risk. Stay docked and go for trading. In trading, you can do so much more money than you do in any mission. Just a hint from a mission runner/trader. |
Mojo Joo
Scrap Iron Flotilla
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Posted - 2014.01.12 17:11:00 -
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Little Blackjack wrote:Mojo Joo wrote:
You are agree that that gankers make obscene amount of isk very easy with zero risk? That need to be fixed, every player with low skills who get enough friends in destroyers can make a lot of money killing faction ships, or just enjoy killing at low cost a lot of expensive mining barges.
Eve is about finding those nieches where you can make obscene amount of isk with zero risk. Ganking is just one of them, scamming another, trading a third and there are much more. Play less risky if you are not ready to take any risk. Stay docked and go for trading. In trading, you can do so much more money than you do in any mission. Just a hint from a mission runner/trader.
So in Missions & Complexes forum you explain to people that doing mission is normal to be a deadly activity and that is better to do trading? Well, you are obvious focused on expansion of game play....somehow. |
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
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Posted - 2014.01.12 19:56:00 -
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Mojo Joo wrote:
You are agree that that gankers make obscene amount of isk very easy with zero risk? That need to be fixed, every player with low skills who get enough friends in destroyers can make a lot of money killing faction ships, or just enjoy killing at low cost a lot of expensive mining barges.
I think that gankers make quite low isk with medicore risk. Their sec status drops and they can be killed by other players. They may loose pods after ganks. Ther target might accidentaly overheat hardeners and survive gank while all gankers dies. Finding proper prey also takes a lot of time. If you would gank a bil fit ship every 15 mins (highly unlikely) youll make 2bil(you get only about half of the fit from drop) an hour divided for 10+- person is 200M/hr at best more likely is something in range 50-100m/hr/person which is close to missions or nulsec anoms. Minus new catalysts which ganker needs a lot his income is below hi-sec mission runner in T2 fit T1 BS.
Traders make obscene amount of isk bil a day for two hours without ever leaving station is possible. WH Cap escallations with 2-3bil/hr for 4 alts running anomalys in secure wormhole with no connections is also good money with reasonable risk imho. Hi sec ganking is for harvesting tears. And as we can all see on this topic it is the most effective way of tear-harvesting in Eve.
Tldr.: Numbers man. Have you seen them in school?
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Maxor Swift
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.12 22:01:00 -
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It would be interesting to see what correlation there is in this thread between people who are in support of suicide ganking and those against, with current mission runners in high sec and members of null sec blobs who grind sov space plexes. I feel quite sure there would be a almost perfect match up.
I personally have little or no time for griefing in any of its guises as in my opinion pirates are criminals and thieves its just unfortunate that CCP doesnt agree being that they make the game.
CCP Fozie once said (on a alliance tourney web cast) that he made it his "mission in (EvE) life to ruin as many peoples day as possible". That says it all really . |
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