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Cpt Numnutz Nuttingtons
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.12 07:49:00 -
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Hello all,
Thought I'd ask the community for some advice on a decision I've been mulling over for a while now. A friend of mine was nice enough to donate some isk to help realize me dream of being a camera pilot. Needless to say I'm horribly in dept to him and don't want to screw up before I can pay him back. I have been what is known as a "carebear" for about a year now grinding lvl 4 missions to make isk in high sec while my skills have been training up for my camera. Since capital ships only operate in low or null I'm planning on moving out and joining the real players now that my skills are decent.
Since I am a noon I was thinking about going to a big corp with some renters and learning how to use my carrier in (relative) safety. Probably rat at first to learn and pay back my industrialist friend. Then contribute my skills to the greater effort and get in some real null sec fights. I was originally looking at the CFC, however I heard that PL is using cameras and thought it might be good to go to a corp that uses my class of carrier andlearn from some experienced pilots. Are there any other corps I should consider? Or would the CFC be a good place to learn the unforgiving ways of null sec?
Before anyone says that I'm just going carrier because they are "op" or imbalanced let me say this, the camera is (in my opinion) the coolest ship in the game, I've always wanted to fly one. The idea of a carrier is also really attractive to me so I want to fly it, up op or whatever state its in.
Any helpful advice is really appreciated! Cheers! |
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.01.12 07:54:00 -
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There are so many things that you got wrong and//or misunderstand about carriers and nullsec in general that it would take a small essay for me to explain it all to you.
The best advice that I can offer you is this: It seems that the camera that you are purchasing is going to cost a pretty penny, so I hope it takes high quality pictures.
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Arisidana
Amadari Traders
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Posted - 2014.01.12 07:54:00 -
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Cpt Numnutz Nuttingtons wrote:
...being a camera pilot.
...the camera is (in my opinion) the coolest ship in the game...
Canon or Minolta |
Alastair Ormand
Badger Badger Badger
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2014.01.12 08:16:00 -
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Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:There are so many things that you got wrong and//or misunderstand about carriers and nullsec in general that it would take a small essay for me to explain it all to you.
The best advice that I can offer you is this: It seems that the camera that you are purchasing is going to cost a pretty penny, so I hope it takes high quality pictures.
http://th08.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2011/288/7/7/oh__stop_it__you__by_rober_raik-d4cwd9f.png |
Cpt Numnutz Nuttingtons
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.12 08:26:00 -
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Arisidana wrote:Cpt Numnutz Nuttingtons wrote:
...being a camera pilot.
...the camera is (in my opinion) the coolest ship in the game...
Canon or Minolta
Ah damn tablets. I'll correct it to chimera. |
Cpt Numnutz Nuttingtons
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:05:00 -
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Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:There are so many things that you got wrong and//or misunderstand about carriers and nullsec in general that it would take a small essay for me to explain it all to you.
The best advice that I can offer you is this: It seems that the camera that you are purchasing is going to cost a pretty penny, so I hope it takes high quality pictures.
Well this is what I was expecting from the eve forums. I know that there are a lot of things that carriers are used for, but since I am inexperienced flying them I want to learn a bit about actually using them and where better than with some good PvP players that can back you up?
Thanks for a the encouraging advice for a scrub tho, I'm sure many pilots get a simiar null sec pilot welcome. |
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
353
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:08:00 -
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Cpt Numnutz Nuttingtons wrote:Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:There are so many things that you got wrong and//or misunderstand about carriers and nullsec in general that it would take a small essay for me to explain it all to you.
The best advice that I can offer you is this: It seems that the camera that you are purchasing is going to cost a pretty penny, so I hope it takes high quality pictures. Well this is what I was expecting from the eve forums. I know that there are a lot of things that carriers are used for, but since I am inexperienced flying them I want to learn a bit about actually using them and where better than with some good PvP players that can back you up? Thanks for a the encouraging advice for a scrub tho, I'm sure many pilots get a simiar null sec pilot welcome.
You want a good resource to help you find advice? Well I have this handy link here!
Helpful Link
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Holgrak Blacksmith
European Research and Industry Corp
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:09:00 -
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As someone has already said, from your post it is clear that you are absolutely no where near ready to fly a carrier.
Join a null sex corporation and live in null for a while, join a heap of alliance ops, and when you can come back to this post and know where you went wrong - you'll be in a better position to fly a carrier.
Also - grrrr goons, dont be a dirty cfc renter. |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2495
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:29:00 -
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There's precisely zero change of PL taking you in, since they need people who know what they're doing. I guess you can start in their feeder corp (Waffles) if it's recruiting and go from there. It will be a long time before you use a carrier though, and there's an extremely high chance anyone offering to recruit you is doing so specifically to blow it up.
Eve isn't a "grind to lvl60 and a certain gear score then PVP" game - you should be PVPing in much smaller stuff for a good while before your carrier is anything other than a near immediate lossmail.
"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Cpt Numnutz Nuttingtons
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:48:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:There's precisely zero change of PL taking you in, since they need people who know what they're doing. I guess you can start in their feeder corp (Waffles) if it's recruiting and go from there. It will be a long time before you use a carrier though, and there's an extremely high chance anyone offering to recruit you is doing so specifically to blow it up.
Eve isn't a "grind to lvl60 and a certain gear score then PVP" game - you should be PVPing in much smaller stuff for a good while before your carrier is anything other than a near immediate lossmail.
Yeah I'm still training up my skills for my chimera. I don't expect to get into a good corp, honestly a feeder corp connected to another corp with experienced chimera pilots would be a good start. I do understand that carriers are used mostly for hauling, which I would be perfectly fine with because I like how the chimera looks.
I understand eve isn't a grind to lvl 60 then PvP game, I was thinking about flying around in t1 frigs and destroyers to learn for a while then move out when I became competent. Looks like that's what I will be doing. I know I have a lot to learn in this game, I'm just excited to fly my favorite ship.
I would only intentionally put my carrier in a battle after I had lived in null for a while. I hear they are pretty good for ratting, and for hauling which sounds fine to me. |
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
839
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:58:00 -
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Skillpoints aren't what you need to fly a carrier. They are supposed to prevent you from flying one until you have done some PVP in something else first.
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Cpt Numnutz Nuttingtons
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.12 10:07:00 -
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Curious, I do need skill points to fly ships. Whi yoo so confuse? Indeed I need to go out and learn about how null works before flying a large and expensive ship. Its gonna be hard but I enjoy the chimera a lot, I really want to fly one so I want to learn how to fly one, I guess I was getting a bit ahead of myself thinking that the best way to learn how to fly it is to fly one. I suppose I will go be an observer until I fully understand null mechanics. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
839
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Posted - 2014.01.12 10:12:00 -
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You should always start PVP in frigates, destroyers, and cruisers because you will lose ships a lot. What you really need to get the hang of is fleet mechanics. Before you fly a chimera, you should be competent as a beginner fleet commander. Before you fly a chimera, you should understand nullsec sovereignty and capital ship mobilizations. I don't expect you to be a decent chimera pilot without at least 3-6 months active experience in nullsec.
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Lucretia DeWinter
Star Frontiers
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.01.12 10:33:00 -
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As you've scrimped and saved and borrowed to get one - the best piece of advice you'll ever get is:
Download the Singularity Test Server and practice on that. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Singularity
Otherwise, you're breaking the rule of Don't Fly What You Can't Lose. Get used to how carriers fly and using cynos and triage and combat refitting and fighters and 10 drone ratting fits in a safe environment.
Look for a corp that has been around a while and ask them if they have capital pilots, a cap building program and ship replacement.
Check out youtube for carriers in action (I'd recommend the awesome R&K vids, like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMFahR4wXTg&list=PL3347CF1BC6B976FA&feature=c4-overview-vl ) Andy Landon has some nice Chimera videos covering the core concepts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjMvpQpcEFE
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Myriad Blaze
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Posted - 2014.01.12 10:36:00 -
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There's already some good advice from the other posters.
Also be aware that probably all nullsec alliances use fleet doctrines... you might end up wanting a different carrier by the time you're ready to field one.
And regarding the looks of that ship... when I once used that argument to defend my choice for a ship I got counseled and was told: "If you can look at your ship while being in a large nullsec fleet battle, you are doing it wrong." |
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
353
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Posted - 2014.01.12 10:38:00 -
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Myriad Blaze wrote:"If you can look at your ship while being in a large nullsec fleet battle, you are doing it wrong."
Or you have a monster PC build from begging for money on your stream . . . oh to far?
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GazBoi08
Oberon Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.12 10:44:00 -
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as an owner of a chimera (no im not proud) all i can say is its marginally OK for ratting and not much else, caldari caps suck |
Kryptik Kai
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
4661
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Posted - 2014.01.12 10:46:00 -
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Please be sure to have fraps running with your mic audio recorded.
"Shiny.-á Lets be bad guys." -Jayne Cobb |
WASPY69
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.12 13:49:00 -
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I can't help myself thinking this thread is either another troll, or the OP is for real and this is the start of the next Caldari capital ALOD.
My piece of advice, leave your Chimera sitting in the hangar! No offence but you shouldn't be undocking a carrier anytime soon. A carrier is a PVP ship (primarily) used in fleets, and NOT a step up from your Navy Raven and level 4's. If you use your carrier for PVE, you will only find yourself ganked due to inexperience.
Join a bigger alliance, hop in a battlecruiser and/or battleship doctrine and get used to flying Logi. Because the Chimera really is a logistics ship. |
Plug in Baby
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
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Posted - 2014.01.12 14:00:00 -
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You should skill and buy caps when your corp tells you to, that way you know you have it for a purpose and you have the right one.
Buying a carrier then trying to find a way to use it is just a bit backward really, you are limiting yourself to a few corps that you may not be right for you, or more likely won't want you.
This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main. |
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa
Stark Enterprises
2625
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Posted - 2014.01.12 14:18:00 -
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If your serious about carriers, forget about Caldari.
Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
Abon
STAHLSTURM
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2014.01.12 14:26:00 -
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Archons are the way to go. |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.12 14:59:00 -
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Don't rat in carriers, it's just not a good idea. If you want to spend a lot of money on a ratting ship, use a pirate BS. Close enough to the same ticks, and much safer since it's not a huge gank magnet and can at least fit a MJD.
"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Pirate Nation.
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Posted - 2014.01.12 15:05:00 -
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Hmmmm where to start:
First of all, make sure you can fly it at least to the higher end, train Fighters to 4 at least, get the Capital Shield Operation to 4, get Capital Shield Emission to 4, get Capital Energy Emission to 4, make sure you can fit a Triage (requires Logistics 5), even the T1 will do and also get the Cyno skill so you can cyno in help. Make sure that your shield skills are pretty good and get Caldari carrier to 4 and of course Jump Calibration to 4.
Ratting in a carrier is pretty profitable, however you are at significant risk, many people use sentries, so they sit immobile, this is not good. What I do is a find a good system which is a backwater, when I was in IRC I was using a system called 0B-VOJ, look at it on Dotlan and understand why that was a good system.
Do not do anomalies with anyone in system, period, there are exceptions to this, but you are not ready for it. You warp into the anomaly, then instantly align back to a POS, not the station by the way. set your speed to just over 75% of max, and always be ready to warp to the POS. Then apply fighters, key to your survival is having smart bombs to blow up any rats that point you, it is highly recommended that you have another toon to help in this.
As soon as anyone neutral, red, orange and light blue comes in system, you warp to that damn POS, also any dark blues taht are recent warp out too, your fighters will follow and return to their bay. You have to remain very very aware of anything entering local, one thing we did was have another toon in the next system. Another thing is try not to do the sites close to the gate.
If you do this in the right system, you will make lots of ISK, but you must stay on the ball. Another trick, make sure the POS BM is at the top of your list when you right click in space.
Keep an eye on intel, also have fuel in your bay, if for example you have someone come in as you are warpint the the anomaly, the chances are that you will not get out by aligning and warping to the POS, in this case as soon as you land you jump to one of your alliance beacons, one which has had nothing reported in intel for some time.
Also always fit a Heavy Neut and a faction smart bomb, and a full complement of various drones, oh and don't forget the LO for your cyno gen and stront for your Triage. Also fit for PvP even when doing PvE. And please have at least 10 Mobile Depots in your bay, if you get BLOPS dropped and there are Sins, you will need to change to a passive tank to last longer when being neuted. In other words go down fighting and make them really work for it.
I did a lot of ratting in a carrier and did not lose one!
If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space,-áand those people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local,-álight a cyno and try jumping to it.-á-á There is a structural issue with Eve, based on accounts with no link, vast reserves of ISK-áand plex, which makes it too easy to metagame the destruction of small alliances. |
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.01.12 15:10:00 -
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Dracvlad wrote:I did a lot of ratting in a carrier and did not lose one!
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.12 16:54:00 -
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Dracvlad, no one uses fighters for PVE any more, since they're terrible for it now. The only viable damage output for PVE is heavy drones.
"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
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Posted - 2014.01.12 17:40:00 -
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I think this is a troll post.
"CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University
Ivy League
320
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Posted - 2014.01.12 17:51:00 -
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Just wanted to emphasize this. Works with not carriers, too. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Pirate Nation.
315
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Posted - 2014.01.12 18:23:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Dracvlad, no one uses fighters for PVE any more, since they're terrible for it now. The only viable damage output for PVE is heavy drones.
I did not notice any nerf to fighters since I was in Cobalt Edge, being when IRC died which is about a year ago, they chew through BS and BC's pretty damn quickly, the issue is of course cruisers and frigates which is why you have a sub-cap friend. I was doing between 14m to 16m per tick on two toons, so 28m to 32m every 20 minutes so around 90m an hour, which is not bad at all.
The simple fact is that using sentries (standing still) or using heavy drones (have to keep in range) makes you very vulnerable, so people really should get back to using fighters to mitigate the risk, which is interceptors.
I am going to check back to see if there were any changes to fighters.
Alduin666 Shikkoken - Without trying to be a he-man, NFG!
If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space,-áand those people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local,-álight a cyno and try jumping to it.-á-á There is a structural issue with Eve, based on accounts with no link, vast reserves of ISK-áand plex, which makes it too easy to metagame the destruction of small alliances. |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.12 23:14:00 -
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Dracvlad wrote:I was doing between 14m to 16m per tick on each of the two toons, so 28m to 32m every 20 minutes so around 90m an hour, which is not bad at all.
No, it's **** because you're using fighters. Stop using fighters.
Quote:EDIT: No change to fighters
Look again, they got nerfed very hard (they can't apply damage well to anything less than a BS).
Given I can beat your combined ticks on ONE character, without using a carrier, you're not supporting the carriers in PVE argument very well.
Stop using fighters for PVE.
e: stop using carriers for PVE as well. Or do, I guess, but it's a dumb idea.
"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
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