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Ganja
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:57:00 -
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Ok well..
Before you jump the gun and be like, "Argh - A pirate wants his security status restored for killing people." No, I want it restored because I lost SR in FD-MLJ, an admittedly glitched (being fixed next patch) system that gives SR hits after engaging, killing ship, and podding someone - Where in turn, if the system was never glitched I would be at 0.0 .
But I'm not here demanding that, I'm here to get everyones opinion, because Pirates aren't the only people who have lost security status in FD-MLJ and other locations (IE: Curse/Catch); such as MASS when they get bored and come to FD-MLJ to camp.
Yes, you could say, "Well go to another system where you don't lose security hits, quit whining.. sheesh." Why go to another system if this is where we are based? We didn't choose the system based on its glitch, but more of its choke point. We just accepted the fact that you were given security hits there and not next door; even though we reported it many a times, long time ago.
So how do we regain our security status? Most of us don't have any agents due to them not really being useful at this point, so if were wanted to get more agents - We'd have to go to our High Sec newb system and get agenting.. but most agents are ran about in high security areas, where most of us cannot travel. You must be atleast above -2.5 to go into 1.0 Space, -3 to go into .9, etc.
We can't all go out to a 50k Pirate spawn and chain kill them, because thats considered an exploit. But even killing them at that rate would result in .1 Security gain in over say.. 3 hours?
So am I to wait 93 (to get to 0.0) days? *shrugs*
I want your opinion on the matter, and whiether or not you think a person should be reimbursed? Or maybe to -4 or something; or speed up the time vs. SR increased daily? Or throw in your own ideas ..
I'm not being one sided, I want everyones opinion.. be you pirate, corporate, mercenary, or solo.. Pirates were not the only ones to lose security status, *corporate* type people have lost their security status and are not happy with it as well.
I personally was turned down by GMs, but I know of plenty others who were reimbursed..
So - Without flaming or saying "deal with it." Try to look at it from every possible point of view, and respond intelligently.
Hopefully this thread isn't locked.. I tried to be as nice + rull followingish as possible 
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Ganja
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Posted - 2003.09.10 18:03:00 -
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deal with it, just like all the people who got killed at jump-in points by your drone lag have to
I expect a few replies like this.. too bad I don't use drones.. eh? :)
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Marie Eve
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Posted - 2003.09.10 18:03:00 -
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deal with it, just like all the people who got killed at jump-in points by your drone lag have to
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.10 18:04:00 -
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since when is chainspawning an exploit?
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Ganja
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Posted - 2003.09.10 18:05:00 -
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since when is chainspawning an exploit?
Seen many a GM and few Dev say it.. its obviously considered wrong since its being fixed next patch, also.
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Macumba
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Posted - 2003.09.10 18:05:00 -
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You should get it back.
Gone are the days when a couple of hours camping pirates would get your rating back, and agents are only any good if you've got a negative rating. Sec rating has (or will have in the future) some value.
Anyone who loses sec in a bugged 0.0 system should be reimbursed.
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Hjorten
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Posted - 2003.09.10 18:06:00 -
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[FLAME] Get over it [/FLAME] :P
Seriously, i havent given this much thought, but i agree that there should be some sort of of reimbursement/possibility for raising the sec rating faster than the normal methods. An idea would to "buy" a high sec pass where a pirate would gain access to high sec system under the penalty of no guns etc. This would ofc bring other probs, but im only making suggestions here :P
Ofc the main danger for the pirate here would be people willing to take the sec hits for killing an unarmed pirate, but that could be one of the risks involved. In my eyes id rather outrun a few players than the entire caldari/amarr/gallente/minmatar navycorp.
Just my 2 cents.
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Raidek
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Posted - 2003.09.10 18:07:00 -
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deal with it, just like all the people who got killed at jump-in points by your drone lag have to
Man I'm tired of this bullcrap about drones. We've warped into Fountain areas before only to see them having drones deployed too. EVERYONE FREAKING USES IT. Stop accusing us of something that is in the game just because you do not like it. 
-Raidek
CEO, Sinister Corp.
Proud Member of the Curse Alliance
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Beringe
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Posted - 2003.09.10 18:08:00 -
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Seen many a GM and few Dev say it.. its obviously considered wrong since its being fixed next patch, also.
It is not in the patchlog. The only change I've seen for NPCs is the following:
"NPC pirate weapons have been upgraded to player level of tuned weapons, they will most likely be dealing more damage as base damage of player weapons has been upgraded as well."
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Raidek
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Posted - 2003.09.10 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Raidek on 10/09/2003 18:17:29
nm
-Raidek
CEO, Sinister Corp.
Proud Member of the Curse Alliance
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ROFL
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Posted - 2003.09.10 18:29:00 -
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Hey Raidek, you misspelled your name in your sig.
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Shock
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Posted - 2003.09.10 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Shock on 10/09/2003 18:31:22
The game is bugged, CCP is deaf, and we are suckers to takes all this crap 
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Raidek
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Posted - 2003.09.10 18:31:00 -
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null Quote:
Hey Raidek, you misspelled your name in your sig.
Yeah but my real alias is Radek not Raidek! Someone else just stole my name :/
-Raidek
CEO, Sinister Corp.
Proud Member of the Curse Alliance
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Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2003.09.10 18:31:00 -
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It's wrong to get a SR hit in 0.0. Yes by all rights you should get it back. But I'm just a windbag anyway and can't really help you.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.10 18:46:00 -
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I've lost sec status in FD-MLJ too  but I knew it would happen.
If they can fix such a cimplicated matter as chainspawning surely they can fix the bugged 0.0 systems?
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Ganja
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Posted - 2003.09.10 18:53:00 -
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I've lost sec status in FD-MLJ too but I knew it would happen.
If they can fix such a cimplicated matter as chainspawning surely they can fix the bugged 0.0 systems?
I'm pretty sure they are fixing both, but I'm 100% positive on the system glitches.
We knew about it too - but just accepted it.
I think it would be easy to fix the chain spawning - set a limit of spawn per somanyminutes.
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Cymoril
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Posted - 2003.09.10 18:58:00 -
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So, now that agents might be doing something nice soon, you want your security rating back? When you lowered your security rating, did it not occur to you that agents would not always be nearly useless?
Sorry, but I don't buy it. Whether or not FD-MLJ is bugged or not, you knew you were taking security hits, and continued to pirate there anyway.
Messing with SS is not the answer here, the solution would be fixing agents so you can get them just by docking, so low SS people (and others) can get agents in 0.0 space. |
Aerin Osaa
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Posted - 2003.09.10 19:02:00 -
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while i would never want to see a criminal get away unscathed from his crimes ;) I think they should restore at least some of these people's sec ratings.
I know CCP's argument is that they can't prove it, but its well known that certain people spend most of their lives in that system. I think that the persons involved should at least get their sec rating halved (or better) if its negative (ie go from a -10 to a -5) as that would allow them access to other means of raising it.
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Athren Soulsteal
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Posted - 2003.09.10 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: Athren Soulsteal on 10/09/2003 19:14:05
 LOL.. ok you want my opinion.
Work it off, you earned the hit by attacking someone you were not at war with.
Now let me explain my opinion, I worked very hard to get my lvl3 agents. They can now repair my rating from a -6.0 to a 0.0
The key here is that I have earned this by doing all the missions that earned me the agents. You want the same thing I have worked for without putting any effort or earning it.
If you wanted to be a pirate then you should have worked on getting your sec rating high before embracing the dark side ot at least worked on ways to fix your problem.
A smart bad guy plans ahead and accepts responcibility for his actions, a bad one does not.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.10 19:15:00 -
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People with low sec status can't get to those agents though and, since the ability to climb up the sec status ladder was seriously nerfed a while back, it's virtually impossible for these guys to get their sec status back up.
That's beside the point though.
FD-MLJ should result in no sec hit.
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Ganja
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Posted - 2003.09.10 19:27:00 -
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Hmm.. odd.. I can't seem to edit the post *shrugs*
I stated you must be -3 to go into .9 space.. silly me!
-2.5 = 1.0
-2.0 = 0.9
-1.5 = 0.8
etc
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Athren Soulsteal
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Posted - 2003.09.10 20:30:00 -
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Edited by: Athren Soulsteal on 10/09/2003 20:36:59
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FD-MLJ should result in no sec hit.
Ok lets say we ignore the fact that FD is in the syndicate region which was in empire space originally (before the sec rating of the systems changed) I know I was based out of FD for the first few months.
And lets forget that eveyone in the area knows that you take a sec hit for podkilling in that area.
If you put your hand on a stove top and it's hot you pull it back. If you know that it's lit and continue to stick your hand in even after everyone has warned you that the fire is still on who do you blame?
The simple fact that he admitted that he knew he would take a hit but continued anyway ends the argument.
The question is if you know the results (sec hit, hand burned, etc...) and continue to without regard or accepting responibility then you have no one to blame but yourself. No the GMs should not pardon his transgressions because the problem is not the system or the stove. The problem is the players not accepting that there is a price to pay for their actions.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.10 20:39:00 -
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Just because we know it and accept it doesn't mean we should have to put up with it.
Ships get reimbursed (it's true) due to bugs.
Why can't sec rating?
Nobody is asking for Ganja and his pirate chums to be given a 0.0 rating.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.09.10 20:52:00 -
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FD-MLJ is a bugged system that shouldnt give security hits.
The Syndicate is NON-EMPIRE space. No place within this region should give security hit. Any places that do are bugged.
Server logs CANNOT track security hits so reimbursement on security status is hard (although i hear they are working on better logging tools).
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.10 20:53:00 -
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I've come across toothless beavers with better logging skills.
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Ganja
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Posted - 2003.09.10 23:34:00 -
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Thanks to all for your opinions.. more are welcome of course..
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Sidus
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Posted - 2003.09.10 23:47:00 -
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Man I'm tired of this bullcrap about drones. We've warped into Fountain areas before only to see them having drones deployed too. EVERYONE FREAKING USES IT. Stop accusing us of something that is in the game just because you do not like it.
Yah, really knock it off everyone. You wouldn't yell at a person in a wheel chair for using a wheelchair would you??? So don't yell at these guys for using their performance enhancing tools. They are just regular people like everyone else damnit!!!
Go ahead Raidek, I've got your back man. Don't let them get you down because you're special. Don't let anyone tell you different.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.09.11 00:34:00 -
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So, now that agents might be doing something nice soon, you want your security rating back? When you lowered your security rating, did it not occur to you that agents would not always be nearly useless?
Sorry, but I don't buy it. Whether or not FD-MLJ is bugged or not, you knew you were taking security hits, and continued to pirate there anyway.
Messing with SS is not the answer here, the solution would be fixing agents so you can get them just by docking, so low SS people (and others) can get agents in 0.0 space.
The first time I ever fought in FD-MLJ I went from +0.5 to -6.4. I always wanted to be a pirate with a -2.5 security rating, but my first battle in FD-MLJ chose the path of -9.9 for me. instead. :)
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Snoop
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Posted - 2003.09.11 00:58:00 -
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tbh its your own fault,
you knew you would get a negtaive sec rating for killing in that system yet you continued to do so knowing you would lose sec rating each time.
if it was a one of then maybe u would have deserved to have your sec rating restored but obviously it wasnt.
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Ganja
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Posted - 2003.09.11 01:24:00 -
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tbh its your own fault,
you knew you would get a negtaive sec rating for killing in that system yet you continued to do so knowing you would lose sec rating each time.
if it was a one of then maybe u would have deserved to have your sec rating restored but obviously it wasnt.
If it was one of.. what?
Yes we knew what would happen, but if they are fixing the systems I don't see why we shouldn't be "fixed" either.. =)
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Skelator
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Posted - 2003.09.11 01:38:00 -
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Basically the Only reason I can see you and M00 and the rest of the Pirate factions wanting no sec hits in 0.0 is so you can pull up next to a unsuspecting n00b with your "POSITIVE" 5.7 rating and blow him away.
Since people tend to look for negative ratings when confronted with a high positive rating they tend to relax and BANG another pod kill for you ;)
Nice Try heheh
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.09.11 01:59:00 -
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Basically the Only reason I can see you and M00 and the rest of the Pirate factions wanting no sec hits in 0.0 is so you can pull up next to a unsuspecting n00b with your "POSITIVE" 5.7 rating and blow him away.
Since people tend to look for negative ratings when confronted with a high positive rating they tend to relax and BANG another pod kill for you ;)
Nice Try heheh
I want to be able to go into empire space so I can go to other regions, sitting in syndicate for the rest of my time playing eve is well.. getting boring.
Right now, if I go past PF-346, CONCORD kills me.
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Alexia Te'Len
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Posted - 2003.09.11 02:04:00 -
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I want to be able to go into empire space so I can go to other regions, sitting in syndicate for the rest of my time playing eve is well.. getting boring.
Right now, if I go past PF-346, CONCORD kills me.
You made your bed.
Now lay in it.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.09.11 02:25:00 -
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You made your bed.
Now lay in it.
People in the regional alliances destroy ships, demand tolls, and pod people that come into their regions all the time, how am I different from them?
Oh wait, I'm not. Yet they have positive security and are mobile. Why? Their system isn't bugged like FD-MLJ.
I have never attacked anyone in .1 space or higher. If not for buggy FD-MLJ, I wouldn't have negative security, period.
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Xylor
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Posted - 2003.09.11 03:13:00 -
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The two sides of Jim Raynor. First, when Jim has a complaint.
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I want to be able to go into empire space so I can go to other regions, sitting in syndicate for the rest of my time playing eve is well.. getting boring.
Sounds reasonable to a degree.
Now here is Jim when someone else has a complaint. (taken from another thread)
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Homo, you are such a whiner carebear peice of ****. Nothing you say is even worth my time, your posts are ridiculous.
You talk to me as you are even on par when it comes to PvP when surely you are not. You come to this board time after time to do nothing but spout your useless bull****, empty threats, and cry to CCP for your failures.
Hard to believe it is the same person.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.09.11 03:18:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Raynor on 11/09/2003 03:19:41
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The two sides of Jim Raynor. First, when Jim has a complaint.
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I want to be able to go into empire space so I can go to other regions, sitting in syndicate for the rest of my time playing eve is well.. getting boring.
Sounds reasonable to a degree.
Now here is Jim when someone else has a complaint. (taken from another thread)
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Homo, you are such a whiner carebear peice of ****. Nothing you say is even worth my time, your posts are ridiculous.
You talk to me as you are even on par when it comes to PvP when surely you are not. You come to this board time after time to do nothing but spout your useless bull****, empty threats, and cry to CCP for your failures.
Hard to believe it is the same person.
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Ganja
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Posted - 2003.09.11 10:12:00 -
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Basically the Only reason I can see you and M00 and the rest of the Pirate factions wanting no sec hits in 0.0 is so you can pull up next to a unsuspecting n00b with your "POSITIVE" 5.7 rating and blow him away.
Since people tend to look for negative ratings when confronted with a high positive rating they tend to relax and BANG another pod kill for you ;)
Nice Try heheh
Thank you for being so ignorant and not reading the post.
You obviously are biased and one minded.. MASS (whom are not Pirates, but apart of the Stain Alliance) are quite unhappy about their security losses as well.
Skelator - Before you post all over the boards thinking you know from top to bottom, look inbetween.
Please don't turn this into a flaming thread..
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