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Rommiee
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Posted - 2014.01.15 16:35:00 -
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CCP SoniClover wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Isn't there any legacy code that could stop you from introducing pointless stuff like ESS and/or MMJD? No, but our long term goal is to have the ESS code become a legacy code that kills good ideas 7 years down the road.
7 years lolol.....you have been giving us pointless crap like this for ages instead of fixing some of the broken stuff that has been there for years...
And you are all so smug about it.....jeez
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Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
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Posted - 2014.01.15 16:48:00 -
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Innominate wrote:Weaselior wrote:The problems with this implementation basically boil down to two major issues:
1) Interceptors exist
Interceptors are currently bubble immune and cannot be locked before they warp off. They invalidate nearly any defense you'd put up to guard your ESS. A lot of the balance here assumes you can guard it, which isn't really the case. There's no real viable way to kill an interceptor before it gets there, and with the ability of the interceptor to steal, warp out, and warp back in in 40s to get its tags the inty is virtually unkillable. This may be more of an issue that giving bubble immunity to interceptors was simply a mistake, but it makes the intended balance here not work.
2) A massive inbalance in the risk/reward that makes it a bad bet
You're asking people to risk 15% of their income for a 5% boost. That's a bad bet, especially considering point 1: you can't really do anything to affect the odds. You're going to wind up in the red most of the time, and 5% is not enough for people to want to play this game. Plus, the fact you are dumb enough to deploy an ESS means you're suddenly going to get a lot more interceptors in your space and you will lose a lot more often: word will spread about the people dumb enough to drop ESS that you can steal from and interceptors will decend on your space, losing you the money you risked for the ess, and losing you the money you'd have made while you safe up because hostiles are in your ratting system.
There is a third and larger problem. 3) Much effort goes into being able to rat in nullsec with a measure of safety. When bad ratters are losing ships to hostiles, they are acting as a beacon to draw more hostiles into the region which negatively impacts everyone's income. When smart ratters don't feed kills, fewer people show up to cause trouble. The ESS is essentially giving every roaming fleet free, guaranteed isk, paying them to trample through your space. There is no level of risk vs reward, or level of exposure for the attackers where the ESS becomes desirable for the ratters. As a bounty-siphon, an undesirable hostile module, the ESS could be made to work. Trying to pretend that it will ever be in any way beneficial to the ratters makes me think that whoever designed this has never actually spent any time ratting in nullsec.
Or actually playing Eve. I honestly believe that some of these Devs have never actually undocked.
Come on CCP, give us the name of the bright spark who thought this one up, he/she is a real catch.
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Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
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Posted - 2014.01.15 17:06:00 -
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Major Templar wrote:greiton starfire wrote:im suggesting leave plenty of risk. the timer would be kept short enough to form a quick fleet, but if you are going into enemy space you should be bringing more than 1 or 2 interceptors. the attackers have the advantage of already being organized and having guys on. the defenders would have to respond rapidly to get their fleet into the fight. getting a fleet to a system 10 jumps out takes time. so they wont wait for huge numbers they will throw out a quick fleet. also, hitting groups in off timezones will have major advantages. Defenders have the advantage as the ones having the jumpbridges and since when is it CCPs responsibility to make your vast empire of nothing but ratters more secure? Honestly, look at it like this. Your coalition are the ones who chose to keep expanding and have their main force far away from your ratting/mining systems. How is it then you say that you want more time to form up and come from 10+ jumps away to defend it? No. If you are going to give timers, then take away jump bridges. Simple.
Oooohhh... someone from test posting... so ..you still exist..... |

Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
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Posted - 2014.01.16 07:54:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:At one point, I might've agreed with you. But these days, the sheer amount of people ratting in carriers tells a weeee bit of a different story, I think. I've been able to fly a carrier for just over 24 hours now. I'm having a very hard time convincing myself it would ever be a good idea, especially considering the warp speed changes, the fact that forsaken hubs now have warp disrupting rats, and the fact that fighters are really not that good for applying damage to subcaps. If carrier ratting is being abused then it's carriers that need to be changed.
People who rat in carriers do not use fighters.
They sit at range with sentries, so will not be tackled by the rats. |

Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
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Posted - 2014.01.16 08:16:00 -
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Myriad Blaze wrote:I wonder whether the ESS is intentionally as bad as it is... I mean from a dev perspective it might make sense:
- You have an idea for your game but you know your players won't like it.
- So you come up with something even worse and wait for the collective outcry.
- Now you pretend to make some tweaks and adjustments and present your original idea.
- The players are relieved that the game change went from "horrid" to just "bad" and calm down.
- You tell everyone how you listen to the playerbase and that you just give them what they want.
- Kudos and promotions for everyone.
Abolutely...... I have been saying this for ages.... |

Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
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Posted - 2014.01.18 14:44:00 -
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That's something I suppose. They are **** at everything else. |

Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
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Posted - 2014.01.18 14:55:00 -
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CCP Soniclover...... you really are a special snowflake.
To quote you.... "I don't usually respond to inflammatory posts"
Well....when you refuse to acknowledge 800 posts pointing out that your awesome ESS idea is a complete bag of horseshit, you will get some negative posts.
Then you say you are thinking about some changes, none of which address the issue.
So, when did you undock last, and not on SISI ? |

Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
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Posted - 2014.01.20 13:23:00 -
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Shvak wrote:http://www.eveonline.com/rubicon/features/encounter-surveillance-system/ I think all speculation that CCP may can the idea just flew out the window.
The last time CCP actually admitted that they were wrong and rolled back a feature was Incarna, and that took the Jita riot and a lot of cancelled accounts to accomplish.
They were never going to cancel this pile of horseshit. The letter from Hilmar after Incarna was a clever piece of PR designed to calm people down, while being full of hollow promises about a new, humbler CCP. Everyone really knew that it was a load of bollox. |

Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
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Posted - 2014.01.22 13:16:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:posting here in efforts of getting this thread to 100 pages \o/
Or you could drop the condescending attitude and post something constructive about the concerns people have over this pile of horseshit.
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Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
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Posted - 2014.01.22 13:18:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:Well, I put my money where my mouth is, and I've moved six characters into a wormhole. If I'm going to get shot at I might as well get paid for it instead of being pushed further into space poverty by the oppressive reactionaries working for CCP.
Same here. I have moved 4 characters out of null sec to more lucrative areas. |
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Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
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Posted - 2014.01.23 10:56:00 -
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Jori McKie wrote:Many of you guys does not see the strategic implications of the ESS. The ESS can be used as a strategic tool to interrupt income and force fights over it.
Alliance A vs Alliance B Alliance A is deploying ESS in all ratting system Alliance B has, let the games begin....... Alliance A isn't dumb and babysit all the ESS waiting for a reaction from Alliance B while Alliance B now has to stop PvE or form a fleet to get rid of all ESS in their systems.
If you really think that will ever happen, then you have less of a clue than the Devs who came up with this pile of horseshit, and that takes some doing. |

Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
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Posted - 2014.01.23 11:16:00 -
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RoCCommander wrote:CCP SoniClover wrote:Here's a quick update on the changes we've made to the ESS, based on testing and feedback. There is a dev blog coming out tomorrow detailing these (and other changes) to the deployables in 1.1, but here's a basic overview.
Posted: 2014.01.21 13:25 Where is our Dev Blog? =(
Lol you didn't actually believe him? |

Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
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Posted - 2014.01.23 13:40:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:The dev blog should be out later today. The one day delay is my fault, I overestimated how quickly I'd be able to get it done in between CSM summit prep.
More CSM prep.... Awesome, I'm already looking forward to the next fantastic idea you guys come up with... I'm really excited about it. |

Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
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Posted - 2014.01.24 23:47:00 -
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Danalee wrote:Loving the deployables overall and the newest addition in particular  The ESS will rock some nullbear socks for sure (look at them squirming... oh noes, we might not be 100% safe ratting in null anymore). For me it looks like the first small step towards enforcing to hold only the space you are willing/capable to defend. We need more things like this, really. D. 
You're an idiot. |

Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
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Posted - 2014.01.30 22:37:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:So I guess we've demonstrated that once a dev blog is made about a feature, no matter how bad it is and how much players argue that it's a really bad idea, it's going to show up anyway in some form or other and there's nothing that can be done about it.
CCP is too prideful to admit that sometimes its ideas are ******* ******** and should never make it into the game to begin with.
Perfectly correct, they have been doing it for years, but seem to be getting more God-like as time passes. |

Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
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Posted - 2014.02.03 12:36:00 -
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CCP --- How is the ESS thing working out then ?
Any stats on how many of these pieces of crap very useful deployable units have been used since the patch ?
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