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Koori
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Posted - 2006.03.22 17:13:00 -
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it can link to the XML on the website rather than a file (no idea about that in .NET
To do that you would need to input your login and password. I of course think that Paramecium is a nice guy and he wont use it. But do you really want to give your password?
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paramecium
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Posted - 2006.03.22 23:15:00 -
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Edited by: paramecium on 22/03/2006 23:16:55
The app has been updated, I have corrected the bug that was causing some of you issues, and added:
Focus, Clarity and Presence
to the list of recognised skills.
It will also tell you of ones it doesnt know, and the ID, so if you get the message, tell me and I will add the missing skill to the app.
As far as extra features, this app wont have any... but I am looking at other things, like a skill tree planner that will help you train your skills as effective as you can.
Thanks everyone for your support so far.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.03.22 23:18:00 -
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Don't trust downloadable programs on the internet. Ever.
Especially not when they are made for a select target audience.
Your preferred anti-virus/anti-spyware/intrusion detection software probably wont be able to detect a new, handmade keylogger, troyan horse, rootkit, what not.
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Megadon
CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray |
paramecium
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Posted - 2006.03.22 23:19:00 -
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oh, and about floating point accuracy... the excel sheet would get out by about 3 secons for a 7 min training time... once you got up to rank 5, it equated to hours/days out.
Floating point accuracy in serial times makes a world of difference.
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paramecium
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Posted - 2006.03.22 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tachy
Don't trust downloadable programs on the internet. Ever.
Especially not when they are made for a select target audience.
Your preferred anti-virus/anti-spyware/intrusion detection software probably wont be able to detect a new, handmade keylogger, troyan horse, rootkit, what not.
Another noob that decides to attack what they dont understand. As i stated above, dissasemble the application before running if if you dont believe me. The sourcecode is even avaliable on request. Get over your problems noob.
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paramecium
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Posted - 2006.03.22 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Gottaa
Could of minor suggestions.
Clicking on the Rank up and down arrow triggers a re-calc correctly, add the re-calc on the exit event of that field as well.
Done :D
Originally by: Gottaa
It would also be nice to see say a treeview of current skills with perhaps next to them the time it would take to learn the next level in that skill ?
On my list for the next app mate.
Originally by: Gottaa
Very nice though :)
Thanks :D
Originally by: Gottaa
Oh one other possible if it can link to the XML on the website rather than a file (no idea about that in .NET, I try and avoid web stuff :)) and in the future moving to some info being stored in the registry for say character ID or file location.
I would prefer to stay away from retrieving the account details at all because of the paranoia of some people. Also using anything that connects to the internet makes people suspect the application, its better if its just a standalone app.
Next version I am thinking of using a SQLite database to store all sorts of stuff... but still thinkin about what to do there.
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Druth
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Posted - 2006.03.22 23:37:00 -
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Edited by: Druth on 22/03/2006 23:38:09
Originally by: Tachy
Don't trust downloadable programs on the internet. Ever.
Especially not when they are made for a select target audience.
Your preferred anti-virus/anti-spyware/intrusion detection software probably wont be able to detect a new, handmade keylogger, troyan horse, rootkit, what not.
Agreed.
Para, what 'noob' is going to have the uber-skills to dissasemble an application?
You app sounds really useful mate, but you can't expect people to download this from some random. Maybe if you made the source freely available (without request, on sourceforge or something) then people would trust it more and may be able even to contribute to make it better...you can't blame people for being cautious.
Anyway, good luck, sounds like it has potential 
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.03.22 23:43:00 -
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A) I am a programmer and program designer.
B) I have been doing security for an insurance company and assisting a bank house for a few years.
B) Personal attacks are against the TOS.
main_Attrib and secondary_Attrib are listed in the description of the skill you're calculating the time for.
SP/minute = (main_Attrib + secondary_Attrib / 2) * (1 + 0.02 * learning_Skill)
Where do you run into problems with floating point calculations?
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Megadon
CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray |
Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.03.22 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: paramecium
oh, and about floating point accuracy... the excel sheet would get out by about 3 secons for a 7 min training time... once you got up to rank 5, it equated to hours/days out.
Floating point accuracy in serial times makes a world of difference.
erm, and you're doing what exactly? how does
skill 1+ (skill2)/2 make a hard float number?
my excel spreadsheet is accurate to the second for a three week skill...
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paramecium
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Posted - 2006.03.23 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tachy
A) I am a programmer and program designer.
B) I have been doing security for an insurance company and assisting a bank house for a few years.
B) Personal attacks are against the TOS.
main_Attrib and secondary_Attrib are listed in the description of the skill you're calculating the time for.
SP/minute = (main_Attrib + secondary_Attrib / 2) * (1 + 0.02 * learning_Skill)
Where do you run into problems with floating point calculations?
A - So what, I know plenty of people that claim to be programmers who only can dabble in VB.
B - Who cares? I host numerous web/email servers for companies in AUS. Also design and output custom security solutions on demand.
C - Fair enough.
Floating point...
I was using an excel sheet that had calculations in the cells, not macros... they were truncating the value. With a real app, or a excel sheet that uses macros this isnt a problem.
My calc is different, I am not sure where i got it from, but it seems to work. If yours is more accurate tho I will use it instead.
(SkillPoints * Rank) / (Primary + (Secondary / 2))
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.03.23 00:10:00 -
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Edited by: Sensor Error on 23/03/2006 00:10:23
Originally by: paramecium
Originally by: Tachy
A) I am a programmer and program designer.
B) I have been doing security for an insurance company and assisting a bank house for a few years.
B) Personal attacks are against the TOS.
main_Attrib and secondary_Attrib are listed in the description of the skill you're calculating the time for.
SP/minute = (main_Attrib + secondary_Attrib / 2) * (1 + 0.02 * learning_Skill)
Where do you run into problems with floating point calculations?
A - So what, I know plenty of people that claim to be programmers who only can dabble in VB.
B - Who cares? I host numerous web/email servers for companies in AUS. Also design and output custom security solutions on demand.
C - Fair enough.
Floating point...
I was using an excel sheet that had calculations in the cells, not macros... they were truncating the value. With a real app, or a excel sheet that uses macros this isnt a problem.
My calc is different, I am not sure where i got it from, but it seems to work. If yours is more accurate tho I will use it instead.
(SkillPoints * Rank) / (Primary + (Secondary / 2))
my calculating spread sheet thing
That is accurate to the second...
although a pain to type all the data in, one of these days I might get round to doing the xml input thing.
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!
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paramecium
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Posted - 2006.03.23 00:22:00 -
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sounds like the one I had was just crap, i have had a play with yours. Sounds like my calcs in the app may be off, if someone wants to give me the official calc in laymens (My maths is terrible :P) I will fix the app.
I am not a big fan of eXcel type apps, mainly because I dont use eXcel at home and the fact that they are more prone to tampering with (macro virii) then a general application. It may be only VBA, but VBA can do some pretty damned serious damage to the system if used in the wrong hands.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.03.23 01:04:00 -
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Okay, I'll explain a little problem with my formula.
It is based on the base attributes, includung the implant effects.
Then it adds the effect of the learning skill.
When you use my formula applying the attribute values directly from the char sheet you run into the following problems:
The attribute points listed in the char sheet include the effect of the learning skill and the implant effects.
The learning skill has an effect even when the char sheet doesn't list a change.
The char sheet only shows full attribute points.
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Megadon
CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray |
Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.03.23 10:33:00 -
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Ok, a full run down. (This is also how my spread sheet works). And I don't really like excel apps either, it's for a quick little tool, excel is a lot easier than farting about trying to code something :)
To calculate your attributes:
Base skill (you can either find this by experimentation, or you know it)
you then ADD the effect of any implants +3, etc, and learning skills +9 say.
If you had, for example 10 base intelligence, this would give 22 (well duh)
You then multiply by your learning, so at level 5 you would have 22 *1.1=22+2.2=24.2
Do this for all stats to show effective attributes.
note: Although the client does truncate these values when it displays them, it does use the proper version.
Working out the rate of skill point gain:
Primary attribute * (0.5*Secondary attribute)
so, if you had a skill that was for example
Primary: Int
Secondary: Mem
And both int and mem and effective attributes of 20, you would get 30 skill points per minute.
Using the basic forumla Time taken = amount/ rate
where amount is your skill points needed (which will be the time multiplier * 250 for level 1, 1414 for level 2 etc etc)
So if you had the above skill mentioned, and you wanted to take it to level 1, it's
250/30 = 8 1/3 minutes. From there it's just maths working out how many seconds, hours and days.
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Koori
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Posted - 2006.03.23 12:46:00 -
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The app has been updated, I have corrected the bug that was causing some of you issues, and added:
Even if calculations are incorect (i havnt checked) the app is finally working for me.
Thanks Paramecium.
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