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MrBlades
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Posted - 2006.03.22 18:56:00 -
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Just for clarification, the initial response was to the OP of the original thread, NOT Blackhole Bob, nor do I wish to infer that it was an alt of his that started this fiasco. My entire response dealt with the specific issue addressed and has no bearing on Blackhole Bob or Evegathering whatsoever.
However, the follow up comment which highlighted Bob's original post is about him and his deplorable attitude to Eve Radio and other such fansites who he tarnished with the very same brush.
Currently he must be under the impression that the Vegas gathering has elevated him from lowly forum ***** to community demi-god who can do no wrong.
Well, guess what? That's not the case. He's had his 15 minutes, now it's time for him to go back to obscurity as quickly and quietly as possible.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.22 18:59:00 -
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its easy for him saying "we will never have ads". His website prolly payed by himself and others, not that expensive with what they got.
The site itself with its material etc could never generate the cost to run that eve-radio.com has to pay.
I bet I used to pay more myself with a website with flash, hundreds of downloads, forums that where popular and with alot of graphics comunity material.
I had to pay alot and I cant imagine what mr blades and company have to pay with a 24/7 radio stream.
PPL whining doesnt know what it takes, or they got tons of cash to spend as they see fit. Beeing rich or can spend all cash on it without having to pay for other stuff.
Or they got no job etc. and sit home 24/7 banning url's and have a crew of ppl taking care of all the rest that invlolves with running a site. Think whining about this is pointless and dont get it why ppl get all worked about it tbh. And bob, well he just see's an oppertunity to generate more visitors 
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ACIX REBORN
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Posted - 2006.03.22 19:48:00 -
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ItĘs a bad situation but something that was going to blow up eventually. This can and has been a very heated debate. BlackHole Bob and EVE-Radio are right and wrong in different ways. Read all the way through so you understand.
Mr. Blades first I want to say i have no clue who you are but if you part of the management at eve-radio please send me a mail some time I do have a couple things to talk to you about. The people we dealt with from EVE-Radio were Urban and Xod two great guys.
Now then Mr. Blades I wouldn't expect someone to keep their feelings about such a debate secret. I don't care one way or another, what you guys do on your own site. ItĘs your site after all and you are the people that pay for it.
I wouldn't do it but it doesn't change the fact that you put yourselves in this position. Now letĘs see if we can do something about it.
If you want to do something about this that is constructive and may help here you go.
Some sites such as eve-pirate.com ask for the isk selling ads to be reported so he can filter them out. If you do want to get rid of them Ander may be able to help you.
You do have a handle on the amount of people that listen to your stream. You could pick up one or two audio advertisements that are 30 seconds long that would offset your costs big time. It works just like the pay for view ads and does follow the per impression idea of advertisements. With numbers like yours it wouldn't be hard to get someone to buy ad time. Its what we have been doing for quite some time at LVRocks, about 5 years or so. It has a full studio to support plus streams, engineers, and video feeds. You can't make all of your operating costs off donations alone.
Its eve-radios decision to leave these ads or take them down. I personally wouldn't have them. I would get rid of them and tell everyone if you don't want a few commercials on air then donate more money to keep it commercial free.
My home station LVRocks has been told about the isk selling ads that may show up as eve posts hit the news on the front page. They will be filtered out. I personally won't have anything to do with it.
It is you decision in the end but do not expect anyone and everyone not to voice their opinion about this.
I hope you don't see this as a flame. Also you need to know that BlackHole Bob has very strong feelings about these things and would say the same thing to me if I did it. But thatĘs why I like him and why I will be friends with him for a long time to come. I would rather someone comes out and tells me honestly exactly what they feel.
Just like your isk selling ads I don't agree with, I also don't agree with the way BlackHole Bob went about this but at least he was honest about it. Above I have told you that I wouldn't do it and I don't like it but I have also listed a few ways to get rid of it and do other things to offset the cost.
Just remember this. If you do things like have isk selling ads do not attack or attack back at anyone voicing their opinion. I wouldn't expect anything less thrown at me if I had these ads, you or any other eve related fan site shouldn't either. I mean even just trying to read you above post on your site had a ton of isk selling ads between the two posts. Pretty disgusting to me really.
If you would like any help in doing the above things contact me at [email protected]
Sorry if I rambled too much, its what i do.
www.EVE-NN.com - [email protected]
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ACIX REBORN
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Posted - 2006.03.22 19:56:00 -
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Also just so everyone knows it was my decision to use the eve-radio feeds.
I could have done it myself but I was trying to share the traffic by being gratious and letting them have the live feed.
It was also my equipment that sent the feed.
BlackHole Bob asked me to take care of it and get the logistics done because he had about a million other things to take care of.
www.EVE-NN.com - [email protected]
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MrBlades
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Posted - 2006.03.22 20:01:00 -
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I've already covered everything I'm interested in covering so I'm not going to go over old ground. As I stated before, the response was to the OP, not Bob. I've explained, in detail, how things work at Eve Radio and what the limiting factors are. I've seen a lot of suggestions and heard a lot of ideas and trust me when I say we do everything within our power stop these ads short of removing the facility altogether. As I said, should we be asked by CCP to remove the facility from our website, we shall do so.
To answer your question regarding who I am, I'm the person who authorised the use of Eve Radio servers to broadcast the Vegas event.
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ACIX REBORN
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Posted - 2006.03.22 20:17:00 -
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 Originally by: MrBlades
Just for clarification, the initial response was to the OP of the original thread, NOT Blackhole Bob, nor do I wish to infer that it was an alt of his that started this fiasco. My entire response dealt with the specific issue addressed and has no bearing on Blackhole Bob or Evegathering whatsoever.
However, the follow up comment which highlighted Bob's original post is about him and his deplorable attitude to Eve Radio and other such fansites who he tarnished with the very same brush.
Currently he must be under the impression that the Vegas gathering has elevated him from lowly forum ***** to community demi-god who can do no wrong.
Well, guess what? That's not the case. He's had his 15 minutes, now it's time for him to go back to obscurity as quickly and quietly as possible.
Tread carefully Mr. Blades its a bad situation that you can make a lot worse by not being constructive in taking care of it.
I have also stated my opposition to the isk selling ads. So i guess i am tarnishing all the sites that use it too. I am not rich but I would do and have done everything minus have this kind of ad around. I can read and I do understand the two posts were different. This could get way out of control if you don't slow down and think for a minute and stop this.
I can't make you guys listen to constructive ideas and use something besides this so I am going to leave you with this.
You allow the ads up, so you have to deal with the backlash of it if you don't want to do anything about it. I am done and bowing out of this because it can go nowhere but down in flames when people start whipping out their e-peen and start measureing who is more important.
www.EVE-NN.com - [email protected]
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.03.22 20:38:00 -
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@MrBlades:
Advertisement: EVE Isk Superstore - EVE Online Isk - cheapest EVE-Online Isk - Buy cheap EVE Online Isk
I know why I visited your site, tried again to launch the live stream from eve-nn.com but had to come back to grab it from your site. I definately wont come back as a regular listener because of your advertising policy.
Maybe you should start your own Isk shop?
You could even use your own service for advertising. Buy cheap! Have children to feed.
Btw. at least some of your DJs are really nice people!
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MrBlades
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Posted - 2006.03.22 20:40:00 -
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Im not interested with arguing with you, nor anybody else regarding this. I've responded to the accusations started by someone else, explained a few basic facts and pretty much left it at that. The addition of the "Bob" comment was to point out that it's clear some people would do or say nearly anything to raise their own profile and jump on "the bandwagon" at our expense. What makes his example so noteworthy was the fact that we allowed you to utilise our services to help with the event.
You came to us, remember? We allowed you to make use of our majority share of the Eve broadcasting market to promote and air the event as well as our servers. We didn't impose any restrictions, make any financial, advertising or personal demands in exchange for their use. We didn't attempt to "steal your thunder" by promoting the event as an Eve Radio special in association with Evegathering and ENN. We sat back and LET YOU do what you like without threatening to cut you off mid stream if you didn't fall in line with whatever we demanded.
Why? Because we believe all such events should get as much coverage as possible to promote the growth of Eve and it's community. And also because we're nice like that and wanted it to go well for you.
Bottom line, you dont like ISK ads, we dont like ISK ads, the community in general dont like ISK ads. It will be sorted one way or the other but when it does happen, it will be because we at Eve Radio find a solution that doesn't force us to shut down and not because a few spiteful people who want to hurt us force us to.
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Dampfschlaghammer
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Posted - 2006.03.22 20:42:00 -
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Couldnt care leass about Isk ads.
Who wants to buy isk is able to do so, this just shifts some demand from ebay to these sites.
Second CCP is officially sanctioning purchase of ISK, a.k.a. Game Time Cards.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.22 20:51:00 -
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there will allways be ppl that will be jealous. Look he got this and I dont, its unfair I have to work for 60 years to make 1/10 of what you won on the lottery. ISK ads is bad but I think even with no ISK ads ppl whining about it will still find something "unfair" to whine about. Heck if someone gets a item while looting worth 20mill+, ppl will whine cause they never get good loot. Whatever happens dont be supprised if same ppl will whine next week about something else.
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.03.22 21:06:00 -
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Blackhole bob, just lost all respect for you.
How stupid are you?
These guys supply you with streaming audio then you go bash them after the event for isk selling ads? You cannot control what google ads generate apart from keywords. Just putting EVE as a key word brings these ads. There is no way around it.
How about talking to CPP instead to get these [isk sellers] sites shut down?
You are a fool, really.
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You got pwnd by us too :P - Wrangler
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ACIX REBORN
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Posted - 2006.03.22 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: MrBlades
Im not interested with arguing with you, nor anybody else regarding this. I've responded to the accusations started by someone else, explained a few basic facts and pretty much left it at that. The addition of the "Bob" comment was to point out that it's clear some people would do or say nearly anything to raise their own profile and jump on "the bandwagon" at our expense. What makes his example so noteworthy was the fact that we allowed you to utilise our services to help with the event.
You came to us, remember? We allowed you to make use of our majority share of the Eve broadcasting market to promote and air the event as well as our servers. We didn't impose any restrictions, make any financial, advertising or personal demands in exchange for their use. We didn't attempt to "steal your thunder" by promoting the event as an Eve Radio special in association with Evegathering and ENN. We sat back and LET YOU do what you like without threatening to cut you off mid stream if you didn't fall in line with whatever we demanded.
Why? Because we believe all such events should get as much coverage as possible to promote the growth of Eve and it's community. And also because we're nice like that and wanted it to go well for you.
Bottom line, you dont like ISK ads, we dont like ISK ads, the community in general dont like ISK ads. It will be sorted one way or the other but when it does happen, it will be because we at Eve Radio find a solution that doesn't force us to shut down and not because a few spiteful people who want to hurt us force us to.
Sorry last thing.
You need to understand that Bob will voice his opinion period. Ask ISD hehehehehe. He is a very blunt person, thats where it starts and ends. He isn't trying to raise any profile or jump on any bandwagon. He has a huge hate for all marco'ers, isk sellers, and will point out things such as this because he hates the whole idea of it. I have watched this pop up many times and tons of people have commented the same as him.
Also since you brought it up (not trying to flame but set records straight). I don't remember going to you for anything. I was just told one day that you guys wanted to be in on it too. The broadcast would have gotten the same listeners no matter who's servers it was on. When I re-planned out the broadcast including eve-radio in it i looked at what was in place up and running, what would be good for everyone, and be fair in sharing traffic that a lot of people care a lot about.
I have a backend podcast system in place here so it didn't matter to me if you guys wanted the live feed or not. In case eve-radio cared a lot about live traffic I asked if you guys wanted the live event side of it. I was already setting up more servers to use prior to finding out eve-radio wanted to be involved. It has nothing to do with who has what share of listeners. If I was in it for anything instead of the fun it has been that might matter. Not to imply in anyway that you are. Thats just what it is to me.
You seem to be reading way more into this issue of isk selling ads than needs to be here. No one is against eve-radio in any way shape or form. They just want to see the ads go away and have suggested that CCP stop linking to fan sites that have these ads.
I like eve-radio, and i still can't believe you guys get that many lemmings to do what they do each month. Whoops that didn't sound right. For those that don't know what the lemmings thing is its not saying the listeners are lemmings. Its a monthly show on eve radio that people suicide attack people like lemmings over and over making a big red dot of ship losses in a system. Correct me if i am wrong on that. But its a pretty funny idea.
www.EVE-NN.com - [email protected]
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.03.22 21:24:00 -
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ahahahahahahahahahahahha hahahaha =)
If you can't support the site don't run it. Sure the google ads that list "Isk Farmers" are generated and there is nothing you can really do once you blocked 100's of them but to sit there and say
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Eve Radio does not endorse the sale or purchase of ISK in any means
then make a excuse of
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Server Hosting Costs
to support the reason why "Isk farmer" ads appear on your site that are not controlled by you "YET ARE" (as in you allow google ads on your site). Was really pretty funny to me because even though it's non profit and the money is going towards the above "Server hosting" ect you still endorse it because you allow the google ads to display on your site for cash.
Now I know you don't want to respond anymore. I just wanted to point this out because this is like a site based on "Anti-Abortion" having google ads support there hosting that displayed "Home Abortion Kits" and not really care or endorse it when they KNOW they will base the ads on the topic of the site. Then not stop the google ads all together as in stop the income from that source of advertiment and try to find other means.
So to some this up. I don't listen to EVE-RADIO, it doesn't intrest me. I don't care if you have ISK farmers advertised on your site that was generated by google NOT YOU but don't come on here saying all that stuff when you do REALLY have control over the advertisements at the source and not doing anything more to stop it. Ironic I know, you stop forum posts from ISK farmers but wont stop the advertisements from google as a whole. Then seek other sources of advertisement or just close down the site because players will see those advertisements for ISK farmers and be encouraged to buy ISK online ALL BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T WANT TO
A: Pay for what you can support
B: Stop google ads completly
C: Shut down the site
D: Ask for support from the community
Thank You! I am Famine Aligher'ri and you can take THAT to the bank. Hopefully that bank wont have google ads on there building for "How to rob a bank" and then say "Hey we block them but can't block all of them. We don't endorse them really we don't. God makes us do google ads."
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.03.22 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: ACIX REBORN
You allow the ads up, so you have to deal with the backlash of it if you don't want to do anything about it.
STFU. They said already that they are doing everything they can to block them, but there is only so many sites that they can block, and with new ones popping up all the time, it's impossible to stop them getting on.
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!
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Now run along and play with your dolls...
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.03.22 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sensor Error
Originally by: ACIX REBORN
You allow the ads up, so you have to deal with the backlash of it if you don't want to do anything about it.
STFU. They said already that they are doing everything they can to block them, but there is only so many sites that they can block, and with new ones popping up all the time, it's impossible to stop them getting on.
They can stop the google ad completly you know. Read my post, it rocks!
Wait wait wait wait hold the phone here! If you stop google ads how will the site run?!??!?!!?
I think im drunk =)
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2006.03.22 21:38:00 -
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While I appreciate the feelings of all involved, I can only see this thread becoming two or three community site people slinging mud at each other, with a bunch of folks rooting for one side or the other.
This belongs in OOP or on your own boards, unless someone can give a compelling reason why it should be here.
Warp Drive Active | Nature Vraie |
ACIX REBORN
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Posted - 2006.03.22 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sensor Error
Originally by: ACIX REBORN
You allow the ads up, so you have to deal with the backlash of it if you don't want to do anything about it.
STFU. They said already that they are doing everything they can to block them, but there is only so many sites that they can block, and with new ones popping up all the time, it's impossible to stop them getting on.
Read up on what you think you may know as fact before posting what someone else said that may not be true. Its not impossible to stop them. They can be filtered out.
A great site that in the first few days had these isk selling ads show upsame as everyone else that uses them for eve fan sites. Then promptly took them down when they started showing up is eve-pirate.com.
Right above the google ad is this bit of info "Google ad below, report any ISK-selling ad to [email protected] so that I may filter those URLs."
If they want to know how to block them Ander may be a good person to contact to be pointed in the right direction.
www.EVE-NN.com - [email protected]
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MrBlades
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Posted - 2006.03.22 21:47:00 -
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I'll just quote this part.
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You seem to be reading way more into this issue of isk selling ads than needs to be here. No one is against eve-radio in any way shape or form. They just want to see the ads go away and have suggested that CCP stop linking to fan sites that have these ads.
We do have our enemies, we just tend to ignore them as much as possible and only respond to big issues like this. Always been that way, probably always will be that way. It's because we are a very easy target for anyone that's ever seen or heard Eve Radio and takes exception to something one of our DJ's (In all fairness, it's usually me) says or does. What better way to attack an individual than by attacking the institution they represent?
Now, we can argue until doomsday as to whether or not the OP was purposely attacking Eve Radio or just highlighting the problem of google ads - but let's face it, they could have picked any number of other fansites and vented their rage. Why pick on Eve Radio? Perhaps because it's a big, soft target that everybody knows and is the most likely to attract the sort of flames that the original thread did? What do you think they hope to acomplish? Cripple Eve Radio by forcing us to abandon a source of revenue? Have CCP disown us for daring to display dodgy ads on our site? Perhaps shock an unsuspecting community to the evils of ISK sale promoting Eve Radio so it's thousands of registered subscribers leave in droves?
Maybe we were just unlucky and someone who really REALLY can't stand ISK trading just picked us at random and launched into a crusade?
Who knows, who cares. We've had this for three years and we'll have it for as long as we're on the top of the pile. If it's not about this, it will be about something else. Feel free to look back through the forums for anything to do with Eve Radio. Chances are you'll find any number of anti Eve Radio threads describing how evil we all are.
Eve Radio has no enemies? You must be joking.
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Spokesperson
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Posted - 2006.03.22 21:48:00 -
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If eve radio needs to adversise for sites selling isk for rl money then eve radio should shut down.
Personally I stoped listening to EVE radion in 2003 because it was ****.
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Spokesperson
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Posted - 2006.03.22 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Spokesperson on 22/03/2006 21:49:39
Originally by: MysticNZ
You cannot control what google ads generate apart from keywords.
You can contoll who you decide to do biz with. There are other
companies out there than google you know.
Why cant they just have viagra ads instead?
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.03.22 21:52:00 -
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Awww so you will still continue to support "ISK FARMERS" because you refuse to stop google ads completly? *sniff*
It's good to be such a hypocrite and run a major fan site such as eve-radio.com
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Spokesperson
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Posted - 2006.03.22 21:54:00 -
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Edited by: Spokesperson on 22/03/2006 21:54:02
[jk
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2006.03.22 22:00:00 -
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I really don't think the existence of this thread is doing anyone involved any credit at all. My suggestion would be to stop airing dirty laundry in public and resolve any differences in private.
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.03.22 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: ACIX REBORN
Read up on what you think you may know as fact before posting what someone else said that may not be true. Its not impossible to stop them. They can be filtered out.
Originally by: Mr Blades
Regarding blocking of certain ads, yes, we do this. Sadly, we have a limit to the number of times we can do this and as a result, some do filter through.
It is also worth mentioning that we CAN block specific ads on a URL by URL basis - and our list of blocked ISK selling web-sites is over 100 URLs long - but we will never be able to stop all of them appearing. The Google ads are generated from the web-page content (which is obviously EVE related) and so trigger ISK selling adverts.
We do occasionally get visits from these ISK selling web-sites, who post on our forums advertising the sale of ISK through their web-site. We of course delete these immediately.
Of course, they're doing nothing...
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!
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Now run along and play with your dolls...
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.03.22 22:01:00 -
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The question you should be asking is this!
"What if EVE supported google ads that displayed ISK FARMERS. Would that be right?"
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Alexandria Ta'rai
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Posted - 2006.03.22 22:01:00 -
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According to the frontpage of ER for the last.. oh 2 years or so, all donations have easily covered the cost of the servers and bandwith.
The purpose of the google ads was merely to fund competitions etc, so why the panic at taking them down and the followups stating how you would have to close down? Mere overplay?
And anyway don't you use servers provided by Diaego, the owner of ER? I thought it was common knowledge that he and you also use them for your gaming radio network thing? Providing various games with internet radio was the plan wasn't it? Surely if this is the case then you could easily drop the small revenue made from google ads.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.22 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Juri on 22/03/2006 22:04:11
meh' bottom line only companies that will pay for advertisement through google ads is ISK selling companies. Bad or wrong well perhaps eve-radio could have gone about it in a better way.
Personally I dont listen to eve-radio anymore cause mostly of what is on the air has nothing to do with eve-online in the first place. Most of 'em is Dj's plays music, that I can do with my own media player.
Also many ways they handle themselves "beeing" a radio station for/about eve-online is bad. Bob's comments tho was/is a bit lame considering working with eve-radio during his event and there he could have made a statement, heck even ask CCP themselves about it.
Also most ppl that whine about it, should just stop listening and generate visitors to eve-radio if they wanna get there point across. If eve-nn and evegathering and others stop working with them (linking them) and ppl stop listening to eve-radio then I could believe them more. PS: would give mrblades a reason for sure to stop using google ads!
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.03.22 22:02:00 -
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Thread seems to be taking a turn for the worse, please stop the namecalling and other bad stuff or we'll be forced to lock it. And maybe just disallow the whole topic if needed, which is not something we want to do, or you want us to do. So, play nice.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2006.03.22 22:07:00 -
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Wrangler: told you so. :p
Originally by: Winterblink
While I appreciate the feelings of all involved, I can only see this thread becoming two or three community site people slinging mud at each other, with a bunch of folks rooting for one side or the other.
This belongs in OOP or on your own boards, unless someone can give a compelling reason why it should be here.
Warp Drive Active | Nature Vraie |
ACIX REBORN
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Posted - 2006.03.22 22:11:00 -
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Well hey Mr. Blades you took it personally when Bob was just venting about all eve fan sites that do it, and he pointed out that he doesn't do it. Not oneplace did he name anyone specificly.
I stood up my personal friend Bob for what he meant for all eve fan sites.
I have explained how to get additional revenue that does not include isk selling ads for you guys and everyone else that does it. I also busted a myth that they cannot be filtered out.
I get flame posts about my show and I also get hate mail too. But I try my best to deal with them in a constructive way. Thats what needs to be done here.
And everyone that says they will stop listening please don't eve-radio has great shows and great DJ's. They aren't evil, i mean its an internet radio station. How can it really be evil . You can tell most all of them have a great time and the listeners wouldn't be there if it wasn't good to begin with. Its not all about Mr. Blades and his decision here one way or another. If you like the shows you listen to just disregard all this crap and keep listening. It will all blow over one way or another. Things like this always do.
www.EVE-NN.com - [email protected]
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