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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
158
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Posted - 2014.01.15 23:37:00 -
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Well, my nullsec friends insist that people who care about ISK are just dirty carebears and EVE is really about awesome PvP and tears :D ... so presumably no-one will care if null income gets nerfed. |
Sointu Luonnotar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
88
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Posted - 2014.01.16 00:54:00 -
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"Nerf nullsec" hah! This is the first time I've ever seen anything resembling a nullsec nerf (and let's be honest, it's not - the devblog says right there you can actually get 105% income!) and I've been at this game for seven years. Null always gets the best and most of everything new. This isn't the exception. |
Fix Sov
5
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Posted - 2014.01.16 00:59:00 -
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Sointu Luonnotar wrote:"Nerf nullsec" hah! This is the first time I've ever seen anything resembling a nullsec nerf
Then you haven't been paying attention.
The current sov system is too heavily reliant on the defender saving systems by stuffing as many people as possible into the system for the final timer, instead of incentivizing attacking (and defending) multiple systems at the same time by splitting their forces into multiple fleets and using actual intelligence/strategy. This must change. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
690
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Posted - 2014.01.16 01:15:00 -
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Time to liquidate all my billions in officer loot that CCP spawned in my hangars and buy catalysts.
Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Fix Lag
645
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Posted - 2014.01.16 01:15:00 -
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I don't know about you all but I thoroughly enjoy a massive kick in the nuts from CCP every time I want to make money in the space I earned.
CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1413
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Posted - 2014.01.16 01:22:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:I don't know about you all but I thoroughly enjoy a massive kick in the nuts from CCP every time I want to make money in the space I earned.
The space you earned, developed and have to defend 24/7 without super magic goku police helping you.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
8485
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Posted - 2014.01.16 01:58:00 -
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I was wondering how long it was going to take before some ~maverick~ CCP dev thinks he's outsmarted the players and gone all "**** you I know what's best for you" and pushes through a wildly unpopular change that adversely affects a large number of players.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
4336
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:06:00 -
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No matter what CCP does with this ESS, we'll adapt to it (i'm adapting right now, Lanngisi is cool this time of year lol), what we've tried to tell CCP is don't repeat the history of the anom nerf, but it seems to fall on deaf ears.
Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) . |
Tzar Sinak
Mythic Heights
96
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:07:00 -
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Hmmm, interesting. I hope the null sec ratting botters put the ESS up in their favourate systems. After all their income will increase by 5% right?That leaves me to visit said systems and acquire their hard earned iskies. Yup, this will be fun. Thanks CCP. |
Nyan Lafisques
Legion Du Lys
Insidious Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:11:00 -
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I support this decision. Being in Dronelands, I'm privileged with the most better rats in the universe, whit sub-par bounties and no loot.
In fact, nerf it 15% ! |
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
686
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:03:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) .
Not that I agree with the ESS mechanics and overall "nerf", but this is why I have ZERO sympathy for your tears. You can manage to turn any of your frustrations and misery into an issue against hi sec players. Hi sec players had NOTHING to do with this change. And here you are threatening CCP with punching babies if they go through with this change  .
You go show CCP who's boss now. Typical bully attitude. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1417
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:06:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) . Not that I agree with the ESS mechanics and overall "nerf", but this is why I have ZERO sympathy for your tears. You can manage to turn any of your frustrations and misery into an issue against hi sec players. Hi sec players had NOTHING to do with this change. And here you are threatening CCP with punching babies if they go through with this change . You go show CCP who's boss now. Typical bully attitude.
Highsec players constantly demanding buffs as well as requiring coddling certainly has nothing to do with highsec getting all of the buffs and nullsec getting all of the nerfs.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
686
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:11:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) . Not that I agree with the ESS mechanics and overall "nerf", but this is why I have ZERO sympathy for your tears. You can manage to turn any of your frustrations and misery into an issue against hi sec players. Hi sec players had NOTHING to do with this change. And here you are threatening CCP with punching babies if they go through with this change . You go show CCP who's boss now. Typical bully attitude. Highsec players constantly demanding buffs as well as requiring coddling certainly has nothing to do with highsec getting all of the buffs and nullsec getting all of the nerfs.
Yup. Us pubbies held a secret council on this one and called it Extermination of Sovereignty Space, hence the ESS. No point in hiding it now. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
2104
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:17:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) . Not that I agree with the ESS mechanics and overall "nerf", but this is why I have ZERO sympathy for your tears. You can manage to turn any of your frustrations and misery into an issue against hi sec players. Hi sec players had NOTHING to do with this change. And here you are threatening CCP with punching babies if they go through with this change . You go show CCP who's boss now. Typical bully attitude.
I believe you misinterpreted his statement.
He means that, if CCP is determined to make an acceptable level of income in their part of space impossible, that they are going to flood highsec to get it there instead. I imagine through Incursions and such.
Your persecution complex is in high dudgeon, though. Coming along nicely.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Genseric Tollaris
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
17
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:17:00 -
[45] - Quote
Looks like a good time to plan a move to sov null then. Since apparently everyone will clear out and go to high sec, I'll be free to rat away uninterrupted. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1418
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:19:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:La Nariz wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) . Not that I agree with the ESS mechanics and overall "nerf", but this is why I have ZERO sympathy for your tears. You can manage to turn any of your frustrations and misery into an issue against hi sec players. Hi sec players had NOTHING to do with this change. And here you are threatening CCP with punching babies if they go through with this change . You go show CCP who's boss now. Typical bully attitude. Highsec players constantly demanding buffs as well as requiring coddling certainly has nothing to do with highsec getting all of the buffs and nullsec getting all of the nerfs. Yup. Us pubbies held a secret council on this one and called it Extermination of Sovereignty Space, hence the ESS. No point in hiding it now. By the way, hi sec carebears have managed to accomplish "getting high sec all of the buffs and nullsec getting all of the nerfs". It's like these creatures are cunning intelligent super-beings, yet dumb pubbies at the same time. Interesting, no?
glad you agree them barge buffs sher were somethin
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
686
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:25:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) . Not that I agree with the ESS mechanics and overall "nerf", but this is why I have ZERO sympathy for your tears. You can manage to turn any of your frustrations and misery into an issue against hi sec players. Hi sec players had NOTHING to do with this change. And here you are threatening CCP with punching babies if they go through with this change . You go show CCP who's boss now. Typical bully attitude. I believe you misinterpreted his statement. He means that, if CCP is determined to make an acceptable level of income in their part of space impossible, that they are going to flood highsec to get it there instead. I imagine through Incursions and such. Your persecution complex is in high dudgeon, though. Coming along nicely.
Jenn aSide wrote:This time what will go around is more null sec people in high sec because null sec income is getting a nerf. So whle you smile now with glee, you won't be smiling as more and more of us realize that ganking folk in high sec is better isk than ratting now lol.
Please, do tell me again how I'm misinterpreting his intentions. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1418
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:27:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Please, do tell me again how I'm misinterpreting his intentions.
You are misinterpreting my intentions.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
2105
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:34:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) . Not that I agree with the ESS mechanics and overall "nerf", but this is why I have ZERO sympathy for your tears. You can manage to turn any of your frustrations and misery into an issue against hi sec players. Hi sec players had NOTHING to do with this change. And here you are threatening CCP with punching babies if they go through with this change . You go show CCP who's boss now. Typical bully attitude. I believe you misinterpreted his statement. He means that, if CCP is determined to make an acceptable level of income in their part of space impossible, that they are going to flood highsec to get it there instead. I imagine through Incursions and such. Jenn aSide wrote:This time what will go around is more null sec people in high sec because null sec income is getting a nerf. So whle you smile now with glee, you won't be smiling as more and more of us realize that ganking folk in high sec is better isk than ratting now lol. Incursions and such, eh? Please, do tell me again how I'm misinterpreting his intentions.
The part where, what you just quoted him saying, is neither part of the post you quoted, nor part of this thread?
Yeah, that part.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
686
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:40:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The part where, what you just quoted him saying, is neither part of the post you quoted, nor part of this thread?
Yeah, that part.
A h yes, because if he stated this on a different thread, then well, it doesn't count.
By the way, I also find it amusing that all of a sudden, and for the sake of this argument, the consensus now is that suicide-ganking hi sec players is actually profitable! |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
2105
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:41:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The part where, what you just quoted him saying, is neither part of the post you quoted, nor part of this thread?
Yeah, that part. A h yes, because if he stated this on a different thread, then well, it doesn't count. By the way, I also find it amusing that all of a sudden, and for the sake of this argument, the consensus now is that suicide-ganking hi sec players is actually profitable!
It certainly can be, but that's largely up to the individual dumbass who overloads his cargo hold.
As for the rest, context much?
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1418
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Posted - 2014.01.16 04:30:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The part where, what you just quoted him saying, is neither part of the post you quoted, nor part of this thread?
Yeah, that part. A h yes, because if he stated this on a different thread, then well, it doesn't count. By the way, I also find it amusing that all of a sudden, and for the sake of this argument, the consensus now is that suicide-ganking hi sec players is actually profitable! It certainly can be, but that's largely up to the individual dumbass who overloads his cargo hold. As for the rest, context much?
The context is he is very upset by something I said in another thread yet he refused to quote and link to it. Its the standard highsec pseudointellectual crap. I guess we can count ourselves lucky he hasn't demanded double-blind peer-reviewed studies to support every assertion we make.
This ESS is bad in its current form and needs to be revised or restricted to highsec only.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
2105
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Posted - 2014.01.16 04:32:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The part where, what you just quoted him saying, is neither part of the post you quoted, nor part of this thread?
Yeah, that part. A h yes, because if he stated this on a different thread, then well, it doesn't count. By the way, I also find it amusing that all of a sudden, and for the sake of this argument, the consensus now is that suicide-ganking hi sec players is actually profitable! It certainly can be, but that's largely up to the individual dumbass who overloads his cargo hold. As for the rest, context much? The context is he is very upset by something I said in another thread yet he refused to quote and link to it. Its the standard highsec pseudointellectual crap. I guess we can count ourselves lucky he hasn't demanded double-blind peer-reviewed studies to support every assertion we make. This ESS is bad in its current form and needs to be revised or restricted to highsec only.
While I'm sure he's mad at you (plenty of people are just for the words beneath your name), he attributed that quote to Jenn, not to you.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
690
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Posted - 2014.01.16 04:37:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:The context is he is very upset by something I said in another thread yet he refused to quote and link to it. Its the standard highsec pseudointellectual crap. I guess we can count ourselves lucky he hasn't demanded double-blind peer-reviewed studies to support every assertion we make.
TBH, I'm not even sure what it is you're rambling about. Are you referring to my reply to Jenn? |
Digital Messiah
Heroic Era
364
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Posted - 2014.01.16 04:56:00 -
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If they nerf high security space who will buy all those shiny officer mods to pimp out their mission fits that will never get paid off?
You guys act like null is the main faucet of isk in eve.
Something clever |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1942
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Posted - 2014.01.16 06:42:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:No matter what CCP does with this ESS, we'll adapt to it (i'm adapting right now, Lanngisi is cool this time of year lol), what we've tried to tell CCP is don't repeat the history of the anom nerf, but it seems to fall on deaf ears.
Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) .
Please, please stop the hyperbole.
There will NOT be a flood of null sec ratters heading to high sec for a 5% nerf.
I strongly doubt that a 5% drop in bounties will be the tipping point.
Now, for a 20% nerf, yeah, I could see it.
BTW, I am on record in the dev blog comments about the ESS stating flat out it is a stupid stupid mechanism.
Further, I very much doubt that flocks of griefer inties will descend upon null sec, dropping these units in every system.
If you want to discuss how moronic this device is as it actually takes income from most line members, in a time when CCP is supposedly trying to create bottom up income in null, that is something valid. Or that in deep deep blue blanketed systems, far from the inties and hot-droppers, this device can be deployed to the advantage of botters and human ratters alike.
Or that the logic justifying the ESS's existence posted by the dev is incredibly poor and easily refuted by the CSM minutes, that is also perfectly valid.
But don't talk about a vast migration from null sec over this.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning.
The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2281
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Posted - 2014.01.16 06:47:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Further, I very much doubt that flocks of griefer inties will descend upon null sec, dropping these units in every system.
Actually the inties are pretty much already there, they just don't have anything to deploy at the moment. Sit on a main regional entry gate to any populated nullsec region for about an hour. If you don't count about 20 instawarping missile ceptors going through with the occasional pity stilleto I'd be shocked.
If I was going to use this thing as an offensive tool I'd use it more for hotdrop baiting than anything, and I'd go out of my way to do it with ships that would be difficult to counter drop. |
Irya Boone
TIPIAKS
333
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Posted - 2014.01.16 06:53:00 -
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For OP : yes nerf null sec income by 10% and in the same time nerf High sec income by 50% ( no risk no gain )
and increase low sec inc by 300% ..
RENAME null sec systems With the name of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It will be awesome.
Need Black Ops be able to FIT cover ops cloaking device !!! |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2283
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Posted - 2014.01.16 07:16:00 -
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Irya Boone wrote:For OP : yes nerf null sec income by 10% and in the same time nerf High sec income by 50% ( no risk no gain )
and increase low sec inc by 300% ..
I was always under the impression that if you were willing to you could make decent money in lowsec but the "If you were willing to" was always the hard bit. I mean nullsec has the whole empire building/being part of something bigger as a draw, and even then the people that make isk there are either exploration guys (Limited resource) or people doing anoms (Convenient but not very good resource).
Am I wrong? I don't know much about low sec, and I only really use it as a highway to get my Carrier around. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
Polarized.
1298
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Posted - 2014.01.16 09:14:00 -
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The proposed change is fine for the most part. You only lose 5% and but you could potentially earn 20% more, so i don't see what the big deal is.
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