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BlackHole Bob
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Posted - 2006.03.23 05:28:00 -
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To whom it may concern:
My apologies first to eve-radio for thinking I pointed some kind of finger at them. Which in fact, I did not, I simply said ISK sales are wrong and those running ads for them are wrong to.
Now I will retort only once as this really has gotten out of hand. All from a simple post I made in a thread that had nothing to do with eve-radio. Just so happens they do run ads for ISK sales via what ever means. This is not my issue but your making it ours now. When you turn this into some community bloodbath thing.
First.
We never asked eve radio for one ounce of assistance. There DJ's contacted us. I also told them they could attend for no cost what so ever. I thought it would be great to have all involved. Acix and Urban worked out the details.
During discussion bewtween Urban Mongral and Acix Reborn, Urban said eve-radio could host up to 1000 connections and wished to (they wanted the traffic). We were total prepared to doit ourselves, and have the reosurces, so we really did not need the help, but we thought it would be good overall for the community to do a co-op event. Give eve-radio the traffic and let it be a good thing. EvE-nn.com really wanted the traffic so they accepted the podcast traffic as they are good at that.
We also discussed with eve-radio dj's that they broadcast live and eve-nn.com gets the downloads and podcast to split traffic rights. We thought this was fair as traffic for these sites is a critical issue.
Well eve-radio just took the podcast and ripped them to mp3 and put them up and made like they did all the work and dissed all over eve-nn.com and there interest here. Now there dissing on us by twisting my post to point at them. (if they did not have ISK ads we wouldnt be posting about this would we?)
Then..to top it off they make this BIG post about how they did us some favor here...and we crapped on them. When in fact we talked very highly of eve radio always. We also were very appeciative to eve-radio for there efforts through out all this.
Today we watched eve-radio divide the communtiy...all for what??...cause I made a post in a thread, non related to this, that ISK sellers are greedy? EvE-Radio has ads...we get reamed by eve-radio...life goes on....
Next time you might wish to open up a dialogue and contact me before you go on a propaganda binge and getting the whole community in a fit.....
We wont be asking for your assistance next year nor do we condone ISK sales or ads period or how hateful you and staff of eve-radio became over a post that was not directed at you, but you seem to think it is.....you almost pulled the plug on the second part dev chat after the break anyway, over some DJ wanting to get up on the large listener base, at that time, that were listening to the dev chat. I was interrupted during the event to be told so also. I sent a verbal WTF? to DJ Xod when he told me this...
You then turned around and posted the podcast to your site when there was and agreement, in place, not to verbally. Now you attack our efforts like we did something wrong here. We wish no association with eve-radio from here forward based on your actions alone and how you handle eve-radio. At least we agree on something :)
Please feel free to make this your enter piece of eve-radio and stir it up more over "your" issues. These are not our issues. We do not NEED eve-radio nor its ISK sales and ads...nor will we accept any request next year from any staff at eve-radio to be part of our event. You insured that today.
Your ads got you in this predicament...not evegathering...we just threw and event is all...and posted that we dont condone isk sales or ads of any kind...in another thread and never once mentioned eve-radio either...nor intended to...
puts on flame suit ...
Please feel free to contact me ANYTIME if you wish to discuss this in a civilized manner.
I wont be answering this thread...I just wanted the facts to be clear here
Blackhole Bob
www.evegathering.com
Las Vegas EvE Gathering 2006
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Emmerich Steiner
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Posted - 2006.03.23 05:47:00 -
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 Originally by: BlackHole Bob
eve-radio nor its ISK sales and ads
Way to grind it in there... First you say that your comment had nothing to do with them, then you accuse them of doing exactly that.
Nice. :D
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Alexis DeTocqueville
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Posted - 2006.03.23 05:50:00 -
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Way to floss a dead horse.
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ToxicFire
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Posted - 2006.03.23 05:50:00 -
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Guy's simply quit this eve-nn and eve-radio are both members of the eve community held in high esteem, yet both your actions over the past few days have been childish.
Things have been said that shouldn't have been and must be forgetten for the sake of harmony. The original argument about isk seller ad's has escalated beyond the point it ever should. It in all honestly it is not for the community to even think about as it is CCP's responsibility alone to control how it's game is advertised and exploited. No one has the right to police EVE other than CCP.
Now guys make up please :)
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Ductoris
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Posted - 2006.03.23 05:55:00 -
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This can either be a legitimate discussion on the events involved or it can turn into a flame war.
Warnings will be issued to those who choose the later.
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jamesw
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Posted - 2006.03.23 06:05:00 -
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I really just want to get in early and say that despite the apparent bickering, I really appreciated the efforts of all who assisted the Eve Radio/NN podcast.
It was really informative, interesting and well produced, and great for people like me who live on the other side of the world to listen in to the full show.
Thanks!
btw... People were looking at me funny on the train yesterday when i was ****ing myself laughing at Urban's reaction to the amount of Beer Oveur was consuming...
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ACIX REBORN
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Posted - 2006.03.23 06:09:00 -
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Edited by: ACIX REBORN on 23/03/2006 06:13:28
Edited by: ACIX REBORN on 23/03/2006 06:13:11
Originally by: ToxicFire
Edited by: ToxicFire on 23/03/2006 06:07:05
Guy's simply quit this eve-nn and eve-radio are both members of the eve community held in high esteem, yet both your actions over the past few days have left a sour taste in the mouth.
Things have been said that shouldn't have been and must be forgetten for the sake of harmony. The original argument about isk seller ad's has escalated beyond the point it ever should. It in all honestly it is not for the community to even think about as it is CCP's responsibility alone to control how it's game is advertised and exploited. No one has the right to police EVE other than CCP.
Now guys make up please :)
Actually I don't see how my actions did anything but try and be constructive. I gave them a few ideas for some revenue and stood up for my friend BlackHole Bob. His comments in that thread had nothing to do with eve-radio at all.
I was hoping that none of this would be aired but it has now.
I think todays moral of the story is not to freak out and assume something without talking to the person first. MrBlades jumped the gun and now we have all this.
www.EVE-NN.com - [email protected]
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ToxicFire
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Posted - 2006.03.23 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: ACIX REBORN
Edited by: ACIX REBORN on 23/03/2006 06:13:28
Edited by: ACIX REBORN on 23/03/2006 06:13:11
Originally by: ToxicFire
Edited by: ToxicFire on 23/03/2006 06:07:05
Guy's simply quit this eve-nn and eve-radio are both members of the eve community held in high esteem, yet both your actions over the past few days have left a sour taste in the mouth.
Things have been said that shouldn't have been and must be forgetten for the sake of harmony. The original argument about isk seller ad's has escalated beyond the point it ever should. It in all honestly it is not for the community to even think about as it is CCP's responsibility alone to control how it's game is advertised and exploited. No one has the right to police EVE other than CCP.
Now guys make up please :)
Actually I don't see how my actions did anything but try and be constructive. I gave them a few ideas for some revenue and stood up for my friend BlackHole Bob. His comments in that thread had nothing to do with eve-radio at all.
I was hoping that none of this would be aired but it has now.
I think todays moral of the story is not to freak out and assume something without talking to the person first. MrBlades jumped the gun and now we have all this.
Please do not continue to point fingers. Comments may have been made with good intentions but clearly unaware of the impact they would have. So the best thing to do now is to walk away. Rember it is the community that support Eve-NN as well as Eve-Radio and the community has been offended and can easily walk away.
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ACIX REBORN
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Posted - 2006.03.23 07:06:00 -
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Edited by: ACIX REBORN on 23/03/2006 07:07:21
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Please do not continue to point fingers. Comments may have been made with good intentions but clearly unaware of the impact they would have. So the best thing to do now is to walk away. Rember it is the community that support Eve-NN as well as Eve-Radio and the community has been offended and can easily walk away.
Your right on the money. When i saw the MrBlades original post I thought oh crap there is nothing good that could ever come out of this.
As far as I am concerned I really hope that the EVE community doesn't take anything I said out of context. I tried really hard to be nice and constructive without flaming.
These words rule the day I guess "The road to hell is paved with good intentions".
And hey Urban and Xod of eve-radio you guys are always great guys in my book
www.EVE-NN.com - [email protected]
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ToxicFire
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Posted - 2006.03.23 07:11:00 -
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Edited by: ToxicFire on 23/03/2006 07:11:44
 Everyones human and we all make mistakes its how we move on from them that defines us.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.03.23 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: ToxicFire
Edited by: ToxicFire on 23/03/2006 07:11:44
Everyones human and we all make mistakes its how we move on from them that defines us.
It's what you do that defines you. 
Didn't you see Batman Begins? 
Jokes aside, I actually believe that to be true. 
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.23 09:21:00 -
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You know, it is like this:
If CCP have a problem with community sites using google ads, they will do something.
No-one makes you click on the ads, or even visit the sites. No-one is pointing a shotgun at your head and making you buy ISK or break the EULA.
If people do use the ads and buy ISK, that is their choice, and they will undoubtedly suffer the consequences. However, if the ads weren't there they would still probably find a way to buy ISK.
The whole thing between BlackHole Bob and Eve Radio is ultimately meaningless.
It isn't hard to decide who to believe based on former reputation, is it?
Throwing a party for the judges doesn't make you innocent.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Spokesperson
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Posted - 2006.03.23 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ductoris
Warnings will be issued to those who choose the later.
You mean the latter?
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Psymon R
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Posted - 2006.03.23 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: ACIX REBORN
His comments in that thread had nothing to do with eve-radio at all.
Unfortunately, from where I'm standing (and I'm sure for others too), whether intentional or not, BlackHole Bob's comments do appear to criticise eve-radio. The OP of the initial thread had singled out eve-radio, and so going in and saying that all sites with google ads are wrong can only associate the comments as being against eve-radio, at least in part.
For the record, I am a regular listener to eve-radio and I visit their forums regularly as well. Yes their site does have the adverts, however I never notice them, my mind simply filters them out. I do believe they contribute in a good way to the eve community (and I'm sure eve-nn and evegathering do too).
At the end of the day...
Originally by: ToxicFire
Things have been said that shouldn't have been and must be forgetten for the sake of harmony. The original argument about isk seller ad's has escalated beyond the point it ever should. It in all honestly it is not for the community to even think about as it is CCP's responsibility alone to control how it's game is advertised and exploited. No one has the right to police EVE other than CCP.
Now guys make up please :)
QFT!
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.23 10:38:00 -
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its basically a "grief" that started at the event between eve-radio, evegathering and eve-nn. Where the arena of choice became google ads.
Fight should be kept between them and not on the forums, wont serve any purpuse really except aggroing the community.
Hope you flame or mate again over personal convos. I reccomend voice or if you can personal contact to insure a smooth "talk" between eachother then writing, as it could be so missunderstood. GL!
Im a noob, bear with me :P |
Archa
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Posted - 2006.03.23 10:40:00 -
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It is a shame events have turned out the way they did.
It certainly is blown out of proportion.
And eventough blackhole bob condoned isk ads in general he did not point the finger at eve-radio. It was eve-radio itself that interperted it that way.
Personally I find Mr.Blades response very overreacted and quite personal towards Blackhole Bob.
Who asked who to help with what, i don't know.
it doesn't matter.
Shame it has come to this,
altough a very good read.
thanks to the both for you hard work on all the events you hosted and reported.
i'll still try to attend both of yours. No matter who was wrong.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.23 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Juri
its basically a "grief" that started at the event between eve-radio, evegathering and eve-nn. Where the arena of choice became google ads.
Fight should be kept between them and not on the forums, wont serve any purpuse really except aggroing the community.
Hope you flame or mate again over personal convos. I reccomend voice or if you can personal contact to insure a smooth "talk" between eachother then writing, as it could be so missunderstood. GL!
prolly it was an underlying "beef" that came to surface. Not the actual ads or the way blades "took it".
Im a noob, bear with me :P |
FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.03.23 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Throwing a party for the judges doesn't make you innocent.
<irony>Accusations 4tw!</irony>
Anyway, it's been proven that people actually ignore the 468x60 pixel banners, by scientists and the like.
Personally I stopped using google ads after I spammed their ads accross all my pages and only made $14 (which would have cost me ú7 to cash a foreign cheque). Amazon stuff (particularly web services where you can insert Amazon content in a way you want) are much better.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.23 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80
Originally by: Avon
Throwing a party for the judges doesn't make you innocent.
<irony>Accusations 4tw!</irony>
It was more an observation, but I will retract if it makes you more comfortable.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.03.23 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
Originally by: ToxicFire
Edited by: ToxicFire on 23/03/2006 07:11:44
Everyones human and we all make mistakes its how we move on from them that defines us.
It's what you do that defines you.
Didn't you see Batman Begins?
Jokes aside, I actually believe that to be true.
which bit? that batman begins or what he said?
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!
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Now run along and play with your dolls...
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.23 10:56:00 -
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great movie
Im a noob, bear with me :P |
FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.03.23 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Originally by: Avon
Throwing a party for the judges doesn't make you innocent.
<irony>Accusations 4tw!</irony>
It was more an observation, but I will retract if it makes you more comfortable.
Nah, keep it. Maybe it's just my interpretation. I stated my view above, most people ignore the banners, so why worry about it?
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Kryss Darkdust
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Posted - 2006.03.23 11:08:00 -
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I have to admit that after reading all the posts and everything that was said as well as done, I have to side here with Blackhole Bob.
The truth here is that ISK sales are bad for the game and the games community. ISK sales bring in an ugly element to the game and force us to deal with things like Macro Miners and ISK farmers that have no purpose in the game world short of making "real" money. For Eve radio to have these kinds of ads on their website, whether intended or not, means they support ISK farming and the selling of ISK. Its quite hypicritical of Eve Radio to claim that they don't support ISK sales, while having ISK for sale on their website.
I realize that their excuse is that they need money to run the radio show being a non-profit organization, but quite frankly as far as I'm concerned if your going to be part of a community like Eve and run a radio show for the community you need to maintain an ethical organization that supports the health of the game. Having ISK ads on the main website would be like like having ISK ads in the EON magazine CCP puts out. It just don't make sense and should be stopped immediatly.
I love Eve Radio and I continue to listen to them because I love the music and the DJ's, but as far as I'm concerned any financial support they hope to get from me now or in the future is now on hold until I see those ads disapear. They really have no right to ask for donations while they are doing something bad for the game like advertising ISK sales and supporting the farming of ISK and Macro Mining.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.23 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kryss Darkdust
I have to admit that after reading all the posts and everything that was said as well as done, I have to side here with Blackhole Bob.
The truth here is that ISK sales are bad for the game and the games community. ISK sales bring in an ugly element to the game and force us to deal with things like Macro Miners and ISK farmers that have no purpose in the game world short of making "real" money. For Eve radio to have these kinds of ads on their website, whether intended or not, means they support ISK farming and the selling of ISK. Its quite hypicritical of Eve Radio to claim that they don't support ISK sales, while having ISK for sale on their website.
I realize that their excuse is that they need money to run the radio show being a non-profit organization, but quite frankly as far as I'm concerned if your going to be part of a community like Eve and run a radio show for the community you need to maintain an ethical organization that supports the health of the game. Having ISK ads on the main website would be like like having ISK ads in the EON magazine CCP puts out. It just don't make sense and should be stopped immediatly.
I love Eve Radio and I continue to listen to them because I love the music and the DJ's, but as far as I'm concerned any financial support they hope to get from me now or in the future is now on hold until I see those ads disapear. They really have no right to ask for donations while they are doing something bad for the game like advertising ISK sales and supporting the farming of ISK and Macro Mining.
nice to see how far principles go these days!, and yes consider that a flame if you want, I think its a fair one for me to make.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.03.23 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: Gariuys on 23/03/2006 11:15:51
MrBlades > Black something.
Gotta love backwards logic. They have isk selling ads to pay for server costs. So I'll give them less money until they remove them.... beautiful, brings a tear to my eye.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Gottaa
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Posted - 2006.03.23 11:23:00 -
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The other option for people not wanting such adds is use firefox, get the "AdBlock" extension and hey presto with a right click you can block the image, infact with a right click and changing the last bit to * you'll block all google ads, like so:
http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/*
Hey presto you'll never see another google ad, it is an amazing way to enjoy the web once more without tacky, useless advertising which is about as effective as junk mail landing on my doorstep.
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DJTempest3K
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Posted - 2006.03.23 11:24:00 -
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If anyone has any queries or comments with regard to EVE-Radio policy, they are asked to direct them to a member of the management team. I am more than happy to try and answer any questions people may have, contact details are available from the EVE-Radio Website.
We are also open to suggestions regarding methods of raising revenue, but please do not be offended if we don't always jump up & say 'yes, that's a great idea OMGWTFBBQ!'
I for one, and I believe that I speak for everyone at EVE-Radio, do not wish to participate in a flame war or upset anyone. All we wish to do is supply a service for the community to enjoy. The choice to use our service or not is yours!
DJ Tempest
EVE-Radio - visit us @ www.eve-radio.com
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Kryss Darkdust
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Posted - 2006.03.23 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: DJTempest3K
If anyone has any queries or comments with regard to EVE-Radio policy, they are asked to direct them to a member of the management team. I am more than happy to try and answer any questions people may have, contact details are available from the EVE-Radio Website.
We are also open to suggestions regarding methods of raising revenue, but please do not be offended if we don't always jump up & say 'yes, that's a great idea OMGWTFBBQ!'
I for one, and I believe that I speak for everyone at EVE-Radio, do not wish to participate in a flame war or upset anyone. All we wish to do is supply a service for the community to enjoy. The choice to use our service or not is yours!
Everyone appriciates what Eve Radio does and all the DJ's that help make the radio work. The question is does it have to be a double edged sword. On the one hand Eve Radio is doing something great for the community but in order to make the radio station work you support one of the uglier elements of gaming. By supporting ISK sales your litterly supporting people that are hurting the game.
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2006.03.23 11:33:00 -
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I would like to ask one question I consider relevant - do Google Ads pay by clicks or not?
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Kryss Darkdust
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Posted - 2006.03.23 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys
Edited by: Gariuys on 23/03/2006 11:15:51
MrBlades > Black something.
Gotta love backwards logic. They have isk selling ads to pay for server costs. So I'll give them less money until they remove them.... beautiful, brings a tear to my eye.
My point here is that ISK ads aren't the only way to advertise. Why choose something so negative when there is plenty of ways to make money for the radio show without supporting something so negative.
For example on air advertisment. There are currently at least 3 ads that I know of with in game corps advertising recruitment, yet this is a free service (short of the in game ISK cost, which should have no real monitary value). Strangly enough you could buy the ISK you need for the on air adverstiment on their website using real money so that you could buy the on air advertisment using the ISK (fake money) you bought on the add..
I know everyone here wants to support Eve Radio at all cost since they are a non-profit organization but sometimes you have to realize that bad managment is bad managment regardless of whether its a non-profit or profit organization.
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