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Lost Dragon	Posted - 2006.03.23 08:10:00 - [1] So .. i am guessing that non announced events are going to be the way of it now. It seams that the storyline guys can come in at any moment .. amke a bunch of ships.. and get any skills they need.. without any notice.. and attack whomever they like...Wow.. good call.. please can we really ahve some devs/GMs look into the way that the story line guys participate in the overall game... like a full days notice before they decide to jsut come in and do whatever the hell they want??? Oh and if they are going to do stuff like this then at least can i get an amusing story to read about it maybe ??? like "NEWSFLASH BORED STORYLINE GUYS GO ON A PICNIC TOMMAROW AT 8:00" and maybe a follow up story as well so i know that they are not jsut waisting our hard earned ISK for the hell of it using isk they just created out of thin air.. and if not can i get that skill .. the create isk and ships out of thin air skill, id liek to get it to lvl 5 asap. And by the way this is really bad for moral unless you are going to ahve events of equal magnitude on both sides of a confilct. K ThX Please edit your forum signature graphic to be smaller than 400 pixels in width - Jacques ([email protected])
Gungankllr	Posted - 2006.03.23 09:42:00 - [2] Announcing events, from a pure resources standpoint, is kind of dumb. Every pilot in creation tries to go attend, causing there to be 600 pilots in local trying to participate. The system can't handle stress like that. It's a game, if you lose stuff, it sucks, but it's fun. We lost a couple of Dreadnoughts to a Sansha POS event in our space about a month ago, and it was the most fun I've had in Eve. If you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it.
Lost Dragon	Posted - 2006.03.23 10:05:00 - [3] informing the parties involved would be nice however.. adn we didnt really lose anything besides a POS which isnt a huge deal .. the main point is that its annoying and imo underhanded.. they have materials at theiur disposal that are not worked for .. they come out of thin air to do damage to things that others have worked for... lame.. so ya Please edit your forum signature graphic to be smaller than 400 pixels in width - Jacques ([email protected])
Gungankllr	Posted - 2006.03.23 10:20:00 - [4] Edited by: Gungankllr on 23/03/2006 10:21:08 Originally by: Lost Dragon informing the parties involved would be nice however.. adn we didnt really lose anything besides a POS which isnt a huge deal .. the main point is that its annoying and imo underhanded.. they have materials at theiur disposal that are not worked for .. they come out of thin air to do damage to things that others have worked for... lame.. so ya I agree to disagree. The events team are made up of players, who volunteer their time to create events of this type for everyone to enjoy. I wouldn't expect volunteers to toil for minerals for weeks to build Dreadnoughts? the idea is they are playing the role of NPC commanders / characters, and that the respective corporations are the ones that have done all the work for the ships. By all means I'm not trying to troll, but you guys should be happy the AURORA team decided to host an event in your area. Since the Creation of Eve, there's only been one event in Feythabolis I am aware of, and there has never been any sort of events in any other major regions but Fountain and the surrounding areas. (The titan gig in Fountain / down to Serp Prime, etcetera) EDIT: Sorry you lost a POS, but maybe it could have been avoided by attacking their fleet earlier or something?
Khaldorn Murino	Posted - 2006.03.23 10:46:00 - [5] You want realism? Or you want pansy flower arranging where everyone meets up to make daisy chains? We had an event where the Angels came down and gave us a good whipping, it hurt, it was bloody good fun. They came down again, and we took them down. We lost a load of ships. No one whined, no one cared. Why? Because it was bloody good fun, and they put up a bloody good fight. It tied in nicely with the event and it was all good. Id rather that than someone tell me, btw tomorrow at 20:00 EVE Time, you will get a surprise attack at system X. I mean, cmon. - Rise.
Gaylord Demian	Posted - 2006.03.23 10:49:00 - [6] Originally by: Lost Dragon So .. i am guessing that non announced events are going to be the way of it now. It seams that the storyline guys can come in at any moment .. amke a bunch of ships.. and get any skills they need.. without bla bla bla whine bla bla bla K ThX lost a ship did you?
Mark A	Posted - 2006.03.23 11:13:00 - [7] The thing that this and all the other whining threads fail to mention is the F-E/5 had a massive fleet in system from 4 hours previous to 4 hours after the start of the event, consisting at peak of over 300 pilots - 170 BS, 4 dreads, a couple of carriers and the rest support. So G/IRON were doomed anyway. The presence of the event team injected an interesting RP twist to procedings which I think was enjoyed by many people on both sides. If the aurora rp'ers are not to get involved in something that affects players, then they would be entirely pointless. This is a positive development IMHO. You were invading Guristas sovereignty after all. I'm sure similar things will happen in other regions with other factions in future. Indeed I believe there are plans to make alliance relations to their local NPC factions take on real importance. So stop crying, you got beat fair and square - the Guristas were just the icing on the cake. Originally by: Crazy Alchemist Mark A is a legend on the battlefield
Doragee	Posted - 2006.03.23 11:44:00 - [8] Originally by: Mark A You were invading Guristas sovereignty after all. Last time i visited D7-ZAC (not THAT long ago...) it was F-E sovereignity? They lost it already???
Mark A	Posted - 2006.03.23 11:50:00 - [9] Originally by: Doragee Originally by: Mark A You were invading Guristas sovereignty after all. Last time i visited D7-ZAC (not THAT long ago...) it was F-E sovereignity? They lost it already??? Originally by: Crazy Alchemist Mark A is a legend on the battlefield
Twoside	Posted - 2006.03.23 11:53:00 - [10] Events shouldn't be announced nor be (completely) pre-scripted, but there are basic rules for sound RP. It must be plausible and consistent. It must also be aimed at enrichting the game and playing environment, and have an open end (iow subject to player interaction). RP is pointless if it's pure short term, or can be perceived (with good reason) as a personal plaything for individuals behind them. You'll never please everybody and will always lose customers, but if RP is done proper, the game will be much richer. Recent events: if FA/5/etc. got Guristas involved in helping serve their cause, kudos to them. It doesn't anger me, it just makes me respect my adversaries for getting serious RP done. I do however understand peoples frustration about events not being sound, and I surely hope the event team sticks to the correct set of values. Otherwise, they will only destroy their own product.
Garia666	Posted - 2006.03.23 12:39:00 - [11] Originally by: Mark A The thing that this and all the other whining threads fail to mention is the F-E/5 had a massive fleet in system from 4 hours previous to 4 hours after the start of the event, consisting at peak of over 300 pilots - 170 BS, 4 dreads, a couple of carriers and the rest support. So G/IRON were doomed anyway. The presence of the event team injected an interesting RP twist to procedings which I think was enjoyed by many people on both sides. If the aurora rp'ers are not to get involved in something that affects players, then they would be entirely pointless. This is a positive development IMHO. You were invading Guristas sovereignty after all. I'm sure similar things will happen in other regions with other factions in future. Indeed I believe there are plans to make alliance relations to their local NPC factions take on real importance. So stop crying, you got beat fair and square - the Guristas were just the icing on the cake. So itw as just FE and 5 right... RIght.. ADGA Website
Yzman Shhan	Posted - 2006.03.23 12:56:00 - [12] Originally by: Garia666 Originally by: Mark A The thing that this and all the other whining threads fail to mention is the F-E/5 had a massive fleet in system from 4 hours previous to 4 hours after the start of the event, consisting at peak of over 300 pilots - 170 BS, 4 dreads, a couple of carriers and the rest support. So G/IRON were doomed anyway. The presence of the event team injected an interesting RP twist to procedings which I think was enjoyed by many people on both sides. If the aurora rp'ers are not to get involved in something that affects players, then they would be entirely pointless. This is a positive development IMHO. You were invading Guristas sovereignty after all. I'm sure similar things will happen in other regions with other factions in future. Indeed I believe there are plans to make alliance relations to their local NPC factions take on real importance. So stop crying, you got beat fair and square - the Guristas were just the icing on the cake. So itw as just FE and 5 right... RIght.. Well, I've tried correcting the G/IRON guys in other threads saying it was only F-E in the gang... Let's do it again: The gang started with F-E/[5] and quite some time before the event it got reinforced by a admirable sized Kaos gang consisting mostly of well fitted BS's. I logged before the event begun but I suspect most of the Kaos guys were there for the event. -- No sig ftw!
Doragee	Posted - 2006.03.23 13:06:00 - [13] Just for interest: How long did .5./FE got informed before this event? I'm not expecting any thruth now, but i def. know how long it'll take to gather a fleet of this size, to get all ppl sortet, to get the invite, etc... So, you were informed at least a few hours before, weren't you?
Mark A	Posted - 2006.03.23 13:07:00 - [14] Yes, props to Kaos also, should have mentioned that. Originally by: Crazy Alchemist Mark A is a legend on the battlefield
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2006.03.23 14:04:00 - [15] Originally by: Doragee Just for interest: How long did .5./FE got informed before this event? I'm not expecting any thruth now, but i def. know how long it'll take to gather a fleet of this size, to get all ppl sortet, to get the invite, etc... So, you were informed at least a few hours before, weren't you? I first knew when i arrived at the system, when the guristas jumped in.....event should be held secret for aslong as it can.....Either way G/Iron would have lost anyway, with the seize of our fleet....I think it was fun...next time, it may be your hometurf who gets a friendly visit..please enjoy it
Doragee	Posted - 2006.03.23 15:46:00 - [16] Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich Originally by: Doragee Just for interest: How long did .5./FE got informed before this event? I'm not expecting any thruth now, but i def. know how long it'll take to gather a fleet of this size, to get all ppl sortet, to get the invite, etc... So, you were informed at least a few hours before, weren't you? I first knew when i arrived at the system, when the guristas jumped in.....event should be held secret for aslong as it can.....Either way G/Iron would have lost anyway, with the seize of our fleet....I think it was fun...next time, it may be your hometurf who gets a friendly visit..please enjoy it Check ingame...my turf is Rens...and i would appreciate a visit for a cup of tea...
Orree	Posted - 2006.03.23 17:22:00 - [17] Edited by: Orree on 23/03/2006 17:23:08 I have taken part in a few events during my tenure in the game. While I enjoy and agree with the events which have players siding with NPC factions against other NPC factions, I don't really agree with event which pit NPC and player factions against player factions only. It just smacks of dog-piling and favoritism. I personally haven't taken part in events where Serpentis has attacked BoB with VC/IMP/FA along for the ride. I have a great deal of fun at events...whacking the Serp dread in YZ-LQL as fun. The role play with the event staff leading up to the shooting was fun. I just don't think NPCs should be involving themselves in player politics and conflict at all. There's plenty of rich content available by pursuing storylines lile the Gallente Federation seeking retribution against the Serpentis for the theft of the Molyneux or things of that nature without having Serps and Guristas joining forces with player factions against other player factions. I agree with the criticisms about lack of storylines and the haphazard nature of the way these events seem to be executed. There should be news stories leading up to and in the aftermath for all of them...not just a few here and there. If the object is to provide content...provide content. I don't agree that things should necessarily be scheduled and all parties involved notified. I do feel it shouldn't seem random or come completely out of the blue, either.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2006.03.23 17:56:00 - [18] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 23/03/2006 17:58:06 Originally by: Lost Dragon So .. i am guessing that non announced events are going to be the way of it now. "Hi, this is guristas fleet command. At 23:00 tommorow we will be launching a covert strike against one of your POSes with the help of you enemies. We will be flying the following ships;" "Idiot" is the word normally used... Originally by: Lost Dragon please can we really ahve some devs/GMs look into the way that the story line guys participate in the overall game... Hi, meet Nebulai. Originally by: Lost Dragon and maybe a follow up story as well How on earth do you know theres no story behind? Your alliance has been so busy moaning like little girls that you guys couldnt have even seen the goddamn apocalypse heading your way. GG Fluffy Whiney Girls of the North. Cant handle playing with the big goys (Ohnoes 5 actors), the move back to empire... ------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Polloux	Posted - 2006.03.23 18:26:00 - [19] Edited by: Polloux on 23/03/2006 18:29:18 Edited by: Polloux on 23/03/2006 18:28:47 Edited by: Polloux on 23/03/2006 18:28:10 Notice it's alwase the guy on the recieving end of the dasmage that moans loudest? Hehe, you have to remember that event's are not alwase just "hey, let's go to x system and have an event" but are sometimes far reaching long term things that affect the entire story behind the eve universe. And as for wrning, why do you expect that a group of people that are acting like they are really those characters would tell you their plans? Because they were coming for you? And we all know if the roles were reversed and the guristas would have been helping your alliance instead you'd be more than happy with how the event turned out. And some of you are acting like they blew up something you actually own in reality, like the event guys came by your house last night with baseball bats and broke your computer or something. Geez, it's a game.... get over it already.
Lost Dragon	Posted - 2006.03.24 01:38:00 - [20] Hmm well i guess you are missing the point.. we lost nothing.. not a ship not a POS not a thing.. we did however feal slighted by the event..s aposedly 5/F-E/whoever the else they want to say was there were contact about it before us and "suposedly" it could have gone either way.... maybe logs would help it .. or at least some type of news event AFTER the fact.. seams silly to me... players with god rigths shoulda hev some scriptures put down that they must follow.. i am not "whineing" im asking for a better system adn some checks and balances Please edit your forum signature graphic to be smaller than 400 pixels in width - Jacques ([email protected])
BurnHard	Posted - 2006.03.24 13:02:00 - [21] Originally by: Mark A The thing that this and all the other whining threads fail to mention is the F-E/5 had a massive fleet in system from 4 hours previous to 4 hours after the start of the event, consisting at peak of over 300 pilots - 170 BS, 4 dreads, a couple of carriers and the rest support. So G/IRON were doomed anyway. The presence of the event team injected an interesting RP twist to procedings which I think was enjoyed by many people on both sides. If the aurora rp'ers are not to get involved in something that affects players, then they would be entirely pointless. This is a positive development IMHO. You were invading Guristas sovereignty after all. I'm sure similar things will happen in other regions with other factions in future. Indeed I believe there are plans to make alliance relations to their local NPC factions take on real importance. So stop crying, you got beat fair and square - the Guristas were just the icing on the cake. I think you are inferring cause from correlation. Here is another fact: it is highly possible that G/IRON could have also attended the event with 500 pilots on their off-peak time, had they known an event was to occur. The fact that FE had that many ships means absolutely nothing, given that they were forewarned about the event. Comprende? We don't know this would have happened had NO event been planned - so to an extent, the existence of the event was a cataylst for the large participation of FE. So the question the OP asked remains valid.
Khaldorn Murino	Posted - 2006.03.24 13:39:00 - [22] So, let me get this straight, you want to be forwarned about a secret strike on your POS's? And this is realistic because of what? - Rise.
theRaptor	Posted - 2006.03.24 13:49:00 - [23] Originally by: Khaldorn Murino So, let me get this straight, you want to be forwarned about a secret strike on your POS's? And this is realistic because of what? Real players have to use cynosural fields to get their capitals in :P I would have no problem with events being unannounced if the event team played by the rules that everyone else played by. If you saw cynos popping up on the map then you would start to worry and could rally the troops, but if the first thing you know of a POS attack by six dreads is when the tower starts whining then you are screwed. Personally I think the event team should get other alliances to supply them with the support ship cover to make the even fun. Fighting maxed out dread only fleets is boring, they can't kill small ships so they are all tackled, but you need a massive fleet to actually kill them due to insane faction tanks. I don't think you trust, in, my, self-righteous suicide.
BurnHard	Posted - 2006.03.24 13:49:00 - [24] Originally by: Khaldorn Murino So, let me get this straight, you want to be forwarned about a secret strike on your POS's? And this is realistic because of what? I'm merely pointing out that the event being well attended by the attackers doesn't mean anything. People are saying "we would have won anyway, so the event participants made no difference". I am saying on the contrary, the attackers knowing the event to be taking place had every opportunity and motivation to maximise the number of participants on their side. The same obviously cannot be said of the defenders. It's all perfectly logical. Perhaps a different outcome had this not been the case? Entirely possible.
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.03.24 16:17:00 - [25] "Real players have to use cynosural fields to get their capitals in :P I would have no problem with events being unannounced if the event team played by the rules that everyone else played by. If you saw cynos popping up on the map then you would start to worry and could rally the troops, but if the first thing you know of a POS attack by six dreads is when the tower starts whining then you are screwed." I think the event players move their capital ships just like the 'normal' players now, exactly because it's something that was complained about earlier ... certainly seemed like that last time Serpentis made trip down to Delve. cyno fields popping as they moved closer and all. Of course, it's not like "200+ pilots in space" on the map isn't enough of warning as it is... :s
Jak'ai	Posted - 2006.03.24 19:23:00 - [26] Originally by: theRaptor Originally by: Khaldorn Murino So, let me get this straight, you want to be forwarned about a secret strike on your POS's? And this is realistic because of what? Real players have to use cynosural fields to get their capitals in :P I would have no problem with events being unannounced if the event team played by the rules that everyone else played by. If you saw cynos popping up on the map then you would start to worry and could rally the troops, but if the first thing you know of a POS attack by six dreads is when the tower starts whining then you are screwed. Personally I think the event team should get other alliances to supply them with the support ship cover to make the even fun. Fighting maxed out dread only fleets is boring, they can't kill small ships so they are all tackled, but you need a massive fleet to actually kill them due to insane faction tanks. In the other thread in Corp/Alliance Discussion, F-E/.5. pilots stated that their alliances provided everything to the event dreads. Strontium supplies, torps, and cyno fields into the system. They also say they had nearly as many player dreads as there were event dreads - plus their massive fleet to support them. So what's against the rules then?
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.25 20:00:00 - [27] What event? There was no event...
Niicole	Posted - 2006.03.26 00:28:00 - [28] I have an idea! Why don't you guys go make your own event? 'Eve-online, award winning role-playing game' i.e. role play! Go up to some miner in 0.4, make freinds with him and after a few beers and a warp jammer say taht if he doesn't get you 16 miner 1's (or something as amusing)then you will unleash ungodly fury. Or perhaps get a bunch of you wolf-packing around and cause havoc - not just blind killing but perhaps take some new guys under your arm and indocter them into your underworld society of mistic and intrigue. But if we all want to be entertained by fun-fun events held by CCP, why wait for the slightest inkling of a storyline going on and go make your own! Or perhaps if your the filthy rich 17accounted-thursday-omber-mining-day-types why not go and set a string of events up like your own missions, apart from the obvious go here, kill Mr. X or transport these 100 garbge here (these can all be done anywho) why not make some fantastic plot up, i dont know, just making up ideas as i go along - bit bored really - but how about some treasure hunt sort of thing - finding out the orbit speed of the 2 moons of Frulegur to open up a large anchored container containg some gisti device or-other, doesnt have to be expensive, but im sure the harder you try and the more publicity it gets, the more fun you will end up having and the more it'll be noticed. Thats my plan! - you may call me stupid by all means but im sure it'll entertain you JUST as much! Niic
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.03.26 02:23:00 - [29] Originally by: Khaldorn Murino You want realism? Or you want pansy flower arranging where everyone meets up to make daisy chains? We had an event where the Angels came down and gave us a good whipping, it hurt, it was bloody good fun. So you only hate whippings when it comes from Amarrians or what? Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve... This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
KillmAll187	Posted - 2006.03.26 04:26:00 - [30] Edited by: KillmAll187 on 26/03/2006 04:29:25 I think its *** too. Hey I know lets get people with unlimited skill and unlimited resources to put a hurt on war targets. Haha. If you have an alt in AURORA you shouldnt be able to bring him on the war, which I suspect is what happened. Oh and BTW how would you feel if you put up a POS and lost it to a freaking event. Get real.

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