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Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
3363
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Posted - 2014.01.17 02:05:00 -
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For those of you weren't already aware because you're not very observant, or don't use the launcher or w/e.
CCP has put up a new survey SPECIFICALLY geared to Science and Industry
NOW IS YOUR TIME
http://industry.questionpro.com/ The Drake is a Lie |
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CCP Dolan
C C P C C P Alliance
849
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Posted - 2014.01.17 02:23:00 -
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As much as I appreciate helping raise awareness of the survey, I have made a small edit to the post CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Gooby pls |
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Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
3363
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Posted - 2014.01.17 02:38:00 -
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CCP Dolan wrote:As much as I appreciate helping raise awareness of the survey, I have made a small edit to the post
Understandable xD The Drake is a Lie |
Poison Alice
Fat Dragon Mining Co. JIHADASQUAD
14
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Posted - 2014.01.17 03:10:00 -
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filled the survey, hope it will get some attention from devs, S&I is in need of serious rehaul! |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
916
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Posted - 2014.01.17 03:16:00 -
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Remember, in 'what needs the most love' put POS! Even if you don't use one because they are a nightmare, tell CCP that's why you don't use one. And you want them fixed. |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA
298
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Posted - 2014.01.17 03:17:00 -
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Poison Alice wrote:filled the survey, hope it will get some attention from devs, S&I is in need of serious rehaul!
as long as it starts with a back-to-the-basics approach...
as in, overhauling the clickfest and weird/nuanced UI.
if they just start adding new layers of bonuses and complexities on top to keep track of without streamlining the overall process.... it's a guaranteed fail. |
Muestereate
Minions LLC
121
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Posted - 2014.01.17 03:21:00 -
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Thanks, caught that on facebook. So glad someone asked |
Anomaly One
168
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Posted - 2014.01.17 03:51:00 -
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why is there nothing for mining on there :S not even mentioned on the first page (and it's the basis of them all) :( Never forget. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8sfaN8zT8E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_ZjVyRxx4 Trust me, I'm an Anomaly. DUST 514 FOR PC |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
19731
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Posted - 2014.01.17 03:58:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:HEY YOU, YEAH, YOU WITH THE BLUEPRINT, COM'ERE For those of you weren't already aware because you're not very observant, or don't use the launcher or w/e. CCP has put up a new survey SPECIFICALLY geared to Science and Industry NOW IS YOUR TIME http://industry.questionpro.com/ Hahaha, nice thread title, definitely got my attention and thanks for posting. Lately I've grown reluctant about logging into the game so I probably would have missed it. Now I can toss my 2 ISK worth of opinion into the survey as well.
DMC
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Digital Messiah
ShockGear
364
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Posted - 2014.01.17 04:02:00 -
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I completed the survey for the sake of a better tomorrow. Also fix mining... Something clever |
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2897
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Posted - 2014.01.17 04:12:00 -
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Purple finger. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Poison Alice
Fat Dragon Mining Co. JIHADASQUAD
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Posted - 2014.01.17 04:39:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:Poison Alice wrote:filled the survey, hope it will get some attention from devs, S&I is in need of serious rehaul! as long as it starts with a back-to-the-basics approach... as in, overhauling the clickfest and weird/nuanced UI. if they just start adding new layers of bonuses and complexities on top to keep track of without streamlining the overall process.... it's a guaranteed fail.
yea, i agree, UI change is absolutely necessary
about new layers, well it wouldn't hurt much for some new stuff, industry received less improvement than any other area of the game |
Muestereate
Minions LLC
122
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Posted - 2014.01.17 05:02:00 -
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Maybe mining should just be multiboxed bots with blips on the maps so people can find them and hunt them down if they really want to. |
Paranoid Loyd
315
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Posted - 2014.01.17 05:13:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Purple finger.
Heh, is that from filling out the survey, or doing S&I? Loyd's Loot: Items for sale in Dodixie |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2898
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Posted - 2014.01.17 05:19:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:silens vesica wrote:Purple finger. Heh, is that from filling out the survey, or doing S&I? Uh... Yes?
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
400
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Posted - 2014.01.17 05:27:00 -
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Poison Alice wrote:filled the survey, hope it will get some attention from devs, S&I is in need of serious rehaul!
How much S&I do you currently do? <---This question should have the additional answer (What is S&I?) added.
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Rhatar Khurin
Happy Asteroid Ltd
485
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Posted - 2014.01.17 05:30:00 -
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Anomaly One wrote:why is there nothing for mining on there :S not even mentioned on the first page (and it's the basis of them all) :(
Mining is classed as PvP now |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
400
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Posted - 2014.01.17 05:33:00 -
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Rhatar Khurin wrote:Anomaly One wrote:why is there nothing for mining on there :S not even mentioned on the first page (and it's the basis of them all) :( Mining is classed as PvP now
On a former account I was in an industrial corp and we would mine out a .5 system. This resulted in us getting war dec'd by an alliance in the other that viewed the belts in the system as being for their personal use.
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
400
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Posted - 2014.01.17 05:34:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:Poison Alice wrote:filled the survey, hope it will get some attention from devs, S&I is in need of serious rehaul! How much S&I do you currently do? <---This question should have the additional answer (What is S&I?) added.
Ahh Science and Industry. I guess Planetary Interaction falls under this. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
3369
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Posted - 2014.01.17 05:41:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:Caviar Liberta wrote:Poison Alice wrote:filled the survey, hope it will get some attention from devs, S&I is in need of serious rehaul! How much S&I do you currently do? <---This question should have the additional answer (What is S&I?) added. Ahh Science and Industry. I guess Planetary Interaction falls under this.
They mean building of ships (T1, T2. T3) and researching of BPs, be it copies, ME, PE, invention, etc The Drake is a Lie |
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Muestereate
Minions LLC
123
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Posted - 2014.01.17 09:37:00 -
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How many did the survey before replying to posts? there's questions on mining, theres questions on outpost building and stuff in between and a couple place to put comments that are pretty open ended. |
Dace Onio
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.01.17 10:32:00 -
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Few of the questions have me worried tbh, but i'll keep the worry to myself since it might be unfounded, but i like others are scratching there heads because the one industry that really needs looked at an supplies everything isnt even mentioned, i'll take that to mean your happy with it an leaving it alone, oh well |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
338
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:16:00 -
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Dace Onio wrote:...the one industry that really needs looked ... isnt even mentioned
Which is?
Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Labs Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
Cela Kashuken
EVE University Ivy League
28
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Posted - 2014.01.17 12:51:00 -
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That was a really well done survey imo. I say this because I've done some really bad ones recently, so this was refreshing. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
10887
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Posted - 2014.01.17 12:59:00 -
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If this helps me getting the long awaited select-multiple-bpcs-in-order-do-install-them-with-the-same-options feature - then \o/
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Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
277
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Posted - 2014.01.17 13:00:00 -
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Dace Onio wrote:Few of the questions have me worried tbh, but i'll keep the worry to myself since it might be unfounded
Indeed, a lot of the questions seem to point towards sharing industry tasks with friends.. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4138
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Posted - 2014.01.17 16:13:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:Poison Alice wrote:filled the survey, hope it will get some attention from devs, S&I is in need of serious rehaul! How much S&I do you currently do? <---This question should have the additional answer (What is S&I?) added.
I'm hoping there's some kind of API check because there is a monkey-wrencher element in the game who, not having one level of industry, might try to poison the results, just for lulz.
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Debra Scully
Imperial Phoenix Legion
3
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Posted - 2014.01.17 16:43:00 -
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Survey taken! Thanks!
Yeah I don't like the idea they're floating of making S&I more of a co-op thing. I hated the exploration changes (cough loot spew cough)...I hope they don't do something stupid like that to S&I. |
Coffin Packer
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.01.17 16:46:00 -
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That gender question: Are you male or female, was it just me or did anyone else have a problem with that one? |
To mare
Advanced Technology
355
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Posted - 2014.01.17 17:14:00 -
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so this is why some time ago there were rumors of ppl selling T2 bpos? |
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To mare
Advanced Technology
355
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Posted - 2014.01.17 17:15:00 -
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Coffin Packer wrote:That gender question: Are you male or female, was it just me or did anyone else have a problem with that one? did you wanted an option in the middle of that? |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS CODE.
186
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Posted - 2014.01.17 18:02:00 -
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I think I found a blue print on a wreck once. Does that count as doing S&I? New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Jake Rivers
Senex Legio
195
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Posted - 2014.01.17 18:16:00 -
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I logged in and seen this survey link, so I clicked it and made it through a few pages of questions, then got stumped when it asked me a question about S&I, and I could not figure out what the hell S&I stood for, then I recalled that it was a industry survey. Senex Legio |
Christine Peeveepeeski
Mostly Harmful Pirate Corp Black Core Alliance
477
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Posted - 2014.01.17 18:26:00 -
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All answered although I had no idea how hard or easy outpost construction and upgrading was as I'd never done it. Had to answer though so said 'super hard' simply because it can't be easy.. it's eve right? |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
871
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Posted - 2014.01.17 18:47:00 -
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Coffin Packer wrote:That gender question: Are you male or female, was it just me or did anyone else have a problem with that one? It's just you.
That's a standard demographic question, as are the age and national location questions. Mildly surprised there wasn't a socio-economic question too.
I get the distinct stench of 'co-operative industry' on the horizon. Don't like that idea, and if forced down our throats, don't think it will go over very well. |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
871
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Posted - 2014.01.17 18:56:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:Rhatar Khurin wrote:Anomaly One wrote:why is there nothing for mining on there :S not even mentioned on the first page (and it's the basis of them all) :( Mining is classed as PvP now On a former account I was in an industrial corp and we would mine out a .5 system. This resulted in us getting war dec'd by an alliance in the other that viewed the belts in the system as being for their personal use. Mining. Yer doing it right. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9847
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Posted - 2014.01.17 19:04:00 -
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Done. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2125
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Posted - 2014.01.17 19:14:00 -
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Plastic Psycho wrote:Coffin Packer wrote:That gender question: Are you male or female, was it just me or did anyone else have a problem with that one? It's just you. That's a standard demographic question, as are the age and national location questions. Mildly surprised there wasn't a socio-economic question too. I get the distinct stench of 'co-operative industry' on the horizon. Don't like that idea, and if forced down our throats, don't think it will go over very well.
They did have "co-operative industry" on that survey a lot. Curious, but apprehensive. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
611
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Posted - 2014.01.17 19:18:00 -
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Done and done. "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
871
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Posted - 2014.01.17 19:22:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Plastic Psycho wrote:Coffin Packer wrote:That gender question: Are you male or female, was it just me or did anyone else have a problem with that one? It's just you. That's a standard demographic question, as are the age and national location questions. Mildly surprised there wasn't a socio-economic question too. I get the distinct stench of 'co-operative industry' on the horizon. Don't like that idea, and if forced down our throats, don't think it will go over very well. They did have "co-operative industry" on that survey a lot. Curious, but apprehensive. I woundn't mind, say, the ability to delegate collection of finished production runs. Or maybe the ability to assign someone to use my BPs without surrendering control over them - maybe a corporate BP library, into which you can enter or remove BPOs, and from which only you can remove your personal BPOs, but which is available to anyone with the proper roles to use/research/invent?
At that level, co-operation would be excellent, and useful. Beyond that, I'd want to take a long, slow, careful look. |
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Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
454
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Posted - 2014.01.17 21:17:00 -
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Done.
A few comments on the survey:
The question "Which of the following S&I activities are you currently most happy with? (Choose all that apply?)" should have had 'none of the above' as a potential response. You're forced to be 'most happy' with one. I don't engage in all of those options and have criticisms of the ones I do. Asking me to rate one as "most happy with" is like asking would you be "most happy" to be shot or stabbed today? The answer, especially in this 'check the box' format, will yield misleading data imo.
Also, the question: "Please group the following S&I activities into two groups based on how easy to understand they are:" should not have forced replies on all the items. I have no idea if outpost deployment/improvement is easy/hard to understand - yet I'm forced to choose an answer. (I chose 'easy' btw.) But again, misleading data, imo.
I'm also a little concerned at the question asking if it were incentivized, would you be more likely to engage in cooperative gameplay in S&I? What a loaded question - the implications of which have me concerned. Most of the manufacturers in game can probably circumvent any player-based restrictions with alts but I'm much more concerned with what type of incentivization is being implied here. Forcing sheep into herds only makes me worry that wolves are on the horizon. However, the questions about detailed reports regarding each player's contribution to an S&I operation was pretty encouraging. Industrialists have needed a better way of keeping track of individual contributions since I'm playing EVE. But then again, asking if the S&I interface getting an upgrade in any capacity would be viewed as a positive change is likely to receive a lot of 'yes' votes imo.
YK "High-five, fist bump, explode, implode, fist bump again, under-five, up-five, chest-bump...ohhhhh....call 911!"
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Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
3372
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Posted - 2014.01.17 21:20:00 -
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Yeah co-op manufacture as far as sharing BPs and allowing temporary use would be awesome.
A more intuitive system for sharing POS facilities too. The Drake is a Lie |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
874
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Posted - 2014.01.17 21:44:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:A more intuitive system for sharing POS facilities too. ^ This. Always this.
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FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Bellum Esca
246
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Posted - 2014.01.17 23:54:00 -
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I was all excited then someone goes and mentions exploration loot change, now I am worried. All I want is a better transaction system to calculate investment/dividend stuff. |
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
131
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:25:00 -
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First time I saw it on the launcher, I jumped on it like a fat kid on a donut. If we get a full expansion totally dedicated to S&I, I might just reactivate all my idle accounts. MCRMI Now Recruiting for Minmatar FW and General Merc Work |
Roggle
Forced Euthanasia
55
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Posted - 2014.01.18 15:39:00 -
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I don't do any industry or science stuff, but I still took the survey and lied and said I wanted an overhaul. Cause poor industry guys need it. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1807
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Posted - 2014.01.18 17:33:00 -
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I love CCP, but for too many times, I have seen CCP having a complete disregard to the ingame "market values" of certain items by reintroducing and devaluing them to a mere fraction of their preceding market values.
I've seen the survey and I have this gut feeling that CCP will follow the following logic;
1) Ah! We see that of the 2,534 players participating in the survey, there are only 2 players who own T2 BPOs. 2) Obviously reintroducing the T2 BPOs will have minimal impact to the player base at large! 3) New Summer Expansion titled "The Tycoon" launches. It includes finding T2 BPOs at random Ghost Sites.
We all know that T2 BPOs are mostly held by several collectors who enjoy this game with passion. I have divested all my T2 BPOs, but CCP, I beg you. Please do not reintroduce them. |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
793
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Posted - 2014.01.18 20:50:00 -
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Me, I am wondering whom they will share the results of this survey with.
Letting you know I (a) do industry (b) am tired of click-fests (c) would love a batch job command or the ability to 'save settings' to skip the which station/hanger portion
And yes, I am pushing this, when I can, as a CSM
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2902
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Posted - 2014.01.19 02:53:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote: Letting you know I (a) do industry (b) am tired of click-fests (c) would love a batch job command or the ability to 'save settings' to skip the which station/hanger portion
Those are sensible positions, and I could support them. I don't think that's what's on the horizon, though. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Serene Repose
Saanen Freight Service
903
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Posted - 2014.01.19 08:49:00 -
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Anomaly One wrote:why is there nothing for mining on there :S not even mentioned on the first page (and it's the basis of them all) :( Miners are the game's punching bags. I can't believe you haven't figured that out already.
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
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