There's a reason the New Order uses the term "bot-aspirant". We won't claim that all miners are botters as that is blatantly false. Instead we try to point out that an activity that does not require your attention to preform, and only requires a trivial amount of attention periodically to maintain, is very similar to botting, and should be discouraged. Unlike other groups, we choose to provide the discouragement ourselves through bumping and ganking instead of just complaining on the forums about it being broken.

Botting... GOD.. this again. The only way to eliminate mining botting is to make them all go to null to be able to mine. Since we know thats not going to happen lets just quit crying. I mine like a crazy person however I have integrity and stay in my ship at the keyboard, IN NULL. I know better than to get up, accept to do the high pressurre hose at the toilet and then sprint back to my drivers seat. You want ore prices to go up? You want to eliminate botting? Send them to null, or even lowsec. Otherwise this is anti botting cry post 123455.

It's actually not a bad idea. Mining has changed just about not at all in 10 years.

probably because it's not broken and functions perfectly fine; let's keep it that way.

I just love how all these non-miners that haven't mined since they were noobs hate mining and demand it needs to be changed. I like mining, I can easily spend hours mining and enjoy every second of it. I find it very relaxing after a stressful day in RL.

If players like the New Order doesn't like mining, then too bad. Ganking is far more afk than mining is. Fit ship, find target, overheat and shoot for 15 seconds, get blown up by Concord, sit in station for 10-12 minutes while aggression timer stops, repeat steps. Yipppeeee!

Mining, except for the new ore sites, is one of the few things that work in EVE perfectly fine. I still prefer the old method of finding grav sites though. I think CCP have far more important issues on their plate right now than mining.

I would suggest that the player who warps to someone and blows them up, is considerably more at the keyboard than someone who didn't dock up with 3+ reds in local.

Just because something functions fine (very subjective term btw) doesn't mean it couldn't be improved. Mining is pretty boring, the only difference between mining and PI is mining requires less clicking but it's quite as non interactive as PI. The only major difference is a requirement to be in space to mine.

Would love to see a bit more "active" mining. Using the PI system of having to extract from higher concentrated areas could be nice. Those who AFK get less yield, those who stay can increase their yield.

+1

This idea has merit if tweaked...

Upon arriving in an asteroid belt, a miner will pick out his asteroid and secure his ship onto it. Then the mining barge will enter into a siege mode where his ore hold is increased at the expense of his tank. The miner then needs to enter into walking in ship mode, where he will walk down a long hallway towards the mining interface. Upon arriving in the mining operations room, he will stay at his keyboard while he commands his mining lasers. He will constantly have to man the controls to keep the frequencies correct. If he goes afk, there is a real risk that things will break on his ship and the ship will blow up, spewing ore. Once he is done mining, and leaves siege mode, the ship will enter into an ore compression stage which will last 5-10 minutes. At this point, he flies off to a station to unload, and repeats the whole process again. Optionally, he can allow others to take ore freely from his ore hold. This option would allow all players to remove ore if engaged.

No.

Would it destroy eve? Would the change from botters to Asteroid interaction make for a better eve? How do you think this would change EVE.

After playing this game for almost 8 years I feel we are in dire need to rework a highly exploited and semi afk game play that gains the least reward of any other activity for play time.

I just love how all these non-miners that haven't mined since they were noobs hate mining and demand it needs to be changed. I like mining, I can easily spend hours mining and enjoy every second of it. I find it very relaxing after a stressful day in RL.

If players like the New Order doesn't like mining, then too bad. Ganking is far more afk than mining is. Fit ship, find target, overheat and shoot for 15 seconds, get blown up by Concord, sit in station for 10-12 minutes while aggression timer stops, repeat steps. Yipppeeee!

Mining, except for the new ore sites, is one of the few things that work in EVE perfectly fine. I still prefer the old method of finding grav sites though. I think CCP have far more important issues on their plate right now than mining.

I would suggest that the player who warps to someone and blows them up, is considerably more at the keyboard than someone who didn't dock up with 3+ reds in local.

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1. Good game design requires players to actually play the game periodically. PI requires some strategy and planning. Mining requires you to come back to the computer, click once. Drag ore to the station, click undock, click warp to asteroid field, approach a rock and hit f1. That's a total of 7 mouse clicks, 1 drag and drop, and 1 keystroke. I don't notice any strategy there. Its better when there's a fleet involved, but any activity that only requires thinking when multiboxing needs to be looked at.

2. Lets fix this

3. Easy start up makes it a trap for new players to fall into for awhile before getting bored and quitting. I do not disagree about complexity of any new system being an issue. If anything were implemented, it would need a simultaneous rework (and extremely heavy testing) of the tutorials.

4. Or you could join the new order and make mining less boring for the masses. It pains me every time I gank someone, but I take heart knowing that I have improved his gameplay experience.


5. There's a reason the New Order uses the term "bot-aspirant". We won't claim that all miners are botters as that is blatantly false. Instead we try to point out that an activity that does not require your attention to preform, and only requires a trivial amount of attention periodically to maintain, is very similar to botting, and should be discouraged. Unlike other groups, we choose to provide the discouragement ourselves through bumping and ganking instead of just complaining on the forums about it being broken.