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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.11 13:52:00 -
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Why are there so few visible stars? is it the ligth pollution by the ungodly large number of celestial bodies of various colors we see in EVERY sector of space?
what do you guys think about that, I find space is becoming a little TOO colorful for my taste... I mean, think about Star wars, that gave me a lot more of an impression of space than any of tehse New games...
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2003.09.11 13:55:00 -
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But a bunch of ugly little dots arent as purty as nebulas and particle streams in every sector.
While i dont mind seeing the occasional nebula and such, i would agree that the artists over did it, big time.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.09.11 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: Jarjar on 11/09/2003 13:56:37
Non-nebula systems, i.e. completely black with a few stars are SO ugly. I'd rather go with this. 
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sutty
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Posted - 2003.09.11 14:08:00 -
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mmm my eve has millions of stars just look harder
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.11 14:11:00 -
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Edited by: Daesdemona on 11/09/2003 14:11:32
my point is if you ever see pictures of space, or just even look up on a really dark night in the middle of nowhere, you see TONS of stars, not boring, but beautiful.
I don't mind celestial objects, just I think they are WAAAAY overdone, thus diminishing their spectacularity.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2003.09.11 14:28:00 -
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Play EnB for an our or two... after that the rest of the world will seem like it's in greyscale...
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Jernau Gurgeh
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Posted - 2003.09.11 14:44:00 -
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Since Eve is a long long way away, perhaps it just doesn't have the same stellar density as our galaxy.
Another thing to consider is that since wormholes can theoretically travel through time as well as space, the whole Eve history could be shunted billions of years into the past or future. If its the second case, many stars could have burnt out and entropy would be slowly overtaking the universe
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.11 14:47:00 -
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That all depends on what universal theory you believe in.
My only explanation is that towards the centers of galaxies the scenery gets more interesting.
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Jernau Gurgeh
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Posted - 2003.09.11 15:07:00 -
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So that would make Eve a cluster of stars whizzing around the edge of a galaxy then?
I guess that would explain why there are edges on the map as well...
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Silinary
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Posted - 2003.09.11 15:16:00 -
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If I recall, the back story puts eve near the galactic center of a universe. RL we dont' get all the color and such because we're on the galactic rim of the milkyway ... looking in and out. If we were near the center, it would be a lot more lit up... not to mention the radiation from all the stars and blackholes which may attribute to the jovian desease.
Why are there edges to the known eve universe? no one has explored further ... or built jumpgates out there.
There are plenty of stars, just look away from the nebulae, you can usually see a bunch of stars poking through.
Personally I wouldn't mind some nebulae empty space, but how woudl that fit in with eve being near the galactic core? say a stream of stargate shoots you out to the rim? They could ... and might in any expansion that is planned ... but likly not.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.11 15:37:00 -
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Expansion: Adam
Worlds on the Edge
Background:
The Joves after the other races have come to be frequent visitors to their home systems feel disgusted by their imperfect presence, so they started research on the A.D.A.M: the
Astral Deployment Asynchronic Machine, a space Catapult that using the combined gravital Pulls of a Trinary Blackhole system Can Project periodical EE Rifts also called Eden Expulsion Jumps. These rifts in the space continuum allow to catapult a vessel assembled through Neutrino-Compacting Technology at over 100,000 Light/years distance instantly.
Thanks to this technology the border of the galaxy can be finally explored... A region dark and unexplored, with new races, enemies, technology....
Possiblity 1) A.D.A.M upon use creates an artificial tertiary Whitehole system that remains open and allows backwards travel due to the use of the Antimatter inversion Module, which causes the ship to react to a whitehole as it would to a blackhole...
Possibility 2) A.D.A.M is a one way ticket, and the Joves, with some samples from each race take a mothership and prepare it to pioneer this part of the great unknown...
But the experiment is a disaster and upon launching the vessel, the trinary system merges, causing the subsequent collapse of the entire eve sector of the universe.
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On another note... Maybe we could re-open the Eve-gate and go see what kind of Tech earth has :)
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Gralgathor
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Posted - 2003.09.11 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Gralgathor on 11/09/2003 16:14:09
Another explanation could be that due to the presence of nebula and other spiffy dust clouds alot of stars are obscured from view. Thus making the skies seem relatively empty.
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2003.09.11 16:36:00 -
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I think the discussion of a reality aspects becomes quite dull. When its a game, all that matters is what works or not. And what is fun or not
But hey
Who pays your crew in the battleship?
When do they sleep?
Why doesn't anyone ask for shoreleave?
Can't we have some sort of "kareoke" module and maybe small medium and large "Jacuuzi" to enhance the ships effectivness. If I was serving at a starship, I sure as hell would want some stuff like that!
Doesn't anyone mind when that captin just leaves them in space and goes to sleep?
Why don't you have a "crew rooster"?
Whats the name of the ships cat!?
I really like to get to know my crew a bit you know. Like cpt Picard. He always has time for his crewmembers! Aight! Captain Picard, he's like the best and stuff. It would really help if you had him as Captain when you ran a "pirate" blockade. Because Cpt Picard would OWN them and stuff like that.
And hey.. what really bugs me a lot, is the fact that you can hear sounds you shouldn't hear! Wtf is that.. I mean. This is something they teach us in elementary school! Actually, you don't have to go to school. Just rent the movie "Alien" and there you go!
I rather have it reduced to thumping against the ships hull when you get hit or something. Because, I can belive that. Your ship is full of air and stuff. Its very unrealistic this way.
And ohh! Please Don't get me started on the "mining" thing. wtf... how does it get transported into your cargobay?? How many people are there working on stacking the ore??. Boy.. they sure are like UBERfast. I mean... Is it some sort of teleport thingy? If so, why can't you use that teleport to some other stuff.. like getting instant coffe to your captains chair or maybe load your guns in a jiffy??
Man.. I can see it now. cpt Picard running a "pirate" blockade. You can hear thumping from missiles and what not UBERevil pirate stuff hitting the hull. But cpt Picard is cool as ICE man. Like.. totally cool as ICE. He is speaking comfortly with his scottish accent to his crew while sipping a teleported instant coffe and looking like its a walk in the park.
Because. To Picard. It really is!
Damn.. comming to think of it
Why don't we get sparks and smoke and stuff wrecking the UI when we get hit!? Man.. that would rule.
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Legonas Tedams
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Posted - 2003.09.11 17:41:00 -
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captian picard was FRENCH. you hear the sounds because of technology with the PODS. read the backstories. its all explained. as for why the sky is so colorful, try to find a single small astroid with a black background. you will be at it for a while.
ôThe universe is an infinitely faceted diamond, and each of our souls is reflected in its magnificence. Chose your facet, your window to the world, wisely.ö - Legonas Tedams |
Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.11 17:48:00 -
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SlightlyMad, I was just commenting on something in which realism would make the game better, not worse.
I am just an aesthetics freak.
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2003.09.11 17:50:00 -
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Finally!!
I thought I was alone. I also believe that although the nebula are VERY well done, I would like to see about 50% of them gone. It's just too much.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2003.09.11 18:13:00 -
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Or, have their frequency and density become less the further out you are from the line of the "arms" of the universe. So as you get closer to the arms or the center the nebulae become more frequent and more intense.
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HP Lovecraft
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Posted - 2003.09.11 18:24:00 -
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The lack of visible stars is the result of the mining of roid's. The residual dust from the roid is polluting the universe. Basically it's the dreaded GREEN HOUSE EFFECT. STOP ROID MINING NOW. PROTECT OUR FRAGILE UNIVERSE.
THE END IS NEAR.
The message was brought to you by The save the roid liberation army. Our moto is TO HELL WITH THE ECONOMY OUR INTEREST COME FIRST!
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Mi Canio
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Posted - 2003.09.11 18:58:00 -
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My own opinon is that Eve is set in a) a star cluster or b) a dwarf galaxy like the Small or Large Magellanic Clouds. I think its likely to be a dwarf galaxy. This would explain the large ampunt so of nebulae and dust clouds.
Pictures of space can be very misleading - if you look at pictures taken during the moon landings u will see that a very minimal amount of starts are visible. The pictures that show massive amounts of stars are usually exposed for a very long time and so will show much more stars than is visible to the naked eye.
Also, there arent many stars in the Eve "Galaxy" so there wont be many stars visible anyway. If anything what we are missing are other galaxies........
Ensign Mi Canio - MIL Div. - Combat Air Patrol
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Erty
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Posted - 2003.09.11 19:21:00 -
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There're enough stars. Right now I'm in Tsuguwa, Lonetrek. I can see several thousands of stars here, they're everywhere :)
But yeah, maybe there should be more dark systems, with more "standard space" in them.
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HP Lovecraft
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Posted - 2003.09.11 19:24:00 -
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 Quote:
Pictures of space can be very misleading -
You are so right I was looking at a picture of space once and I thought I saw Uranus.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.11 19:29:00 -
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u saw Uranus huh? that must have been a challenge.
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2003.09.12 06:22:00 -
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Sorry des
I did not mean it as a post to ridicule you
I just got a bit carried away 
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Zezman
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Posted - 2003.09.12 06:43:00 -
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There are far too many clouds in Eve.
Try to imagine what the sky would look like if, when you look at the galactic map, you saw that in the open space sky as well.
We live in a tiny underpopulated galaxy that is about 1,000,000 times less dense than the Milky Way.
Lets put this in perspective, for Eve to represent something approximating reality, we would need to add ONE MILLION TIMES MORE CONTENT IN THE WAY OF STARS AND OTHER STELLAR OBJECTS.
I'd love to play a game like that. I'd also love to own my own Cray Computer. Realistically, Eve could never approach that level of depth. At least, not yet. When?
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Capt Xpendable
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Posted - 2003.09.12 07:05:00 -
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I always thought that you could be sitting in the middle of a nebula and never know it. Since they're spread out over such vast distances, they're density would be very low and you'd need to be hundreds or thousands of light years away just to see them.
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Demangel
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Posted - 2003.09.12 08:05:00 -
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I would like to wiegh in too here, as I also thought I was the "Only one."
first I love the idea of gradually reducing the number/density of nebulae the further from the core of the galaxy you get.
In truth I am pretty sure you would see a faint background glow I think in our own terran system if you are in space. But it would be nothing like even the most empty system in EVE.
Second: While there ARe plenty of stars I feel at least two things are missing from the backgrounds are the following:
The galaxy itself (At the rim systems at least you should be able to look toward the galactic center and be treated to a spectacular vbiew!)
Nearby stars that are brighter than the ambiant ones. So for example a big star 4 light years away would look really bright in space.
But 95% of the stars in EVE are all of the same or similar brightness. I dunno, I'm a stickler for Random ambiance like that. When I paint space scnes I stick crap like that in all the time when and where it makes sense I mean hehe.
I agree the artists did a REAL bang up job making almost of them truly pretty, but like everyone just about says, It's too much.
It makes space look anything but empty, and in some cases actually makes space feel small.
In one particular nebulae pattern you can really get the feeling you are in a hollow sphere with a texture on the inside. THAT is mood breaking if you ask me.
So yeah I agree 50% too many nebulae.
Space should feel much more empty, and cold than it does. Nebulae like any eye candy should be spaced out so it's pretty and welcome to the eyes. Not repetitive.
In fact they use so many of the same nebulae and planet textures over again (unavoidable of course to a certain degree), that once you visited a dozen or more constellations, you have pretty much seen EVERY major visual there is to see in eve...
Oh yeah while I'm at it, can we PLEASE have Saturn style rings in the near future? Is it really that hard to make them?
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Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet.
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Qandor
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Posted - 2003.09.12 08:05:00 -
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I agree pretty much. Much too colorful and way too bright. I actually enjoy it when I am in a black sky system. The reds, greens, and blues should be the rarities. They are way overdone.
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Zezman
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Posted - 2003.09.12 08:32:00 -
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i think some nebulai should be objects in of themselves. they are all huge, and if you could imagine flying around them, that would look truly awesome. |
Jernau Gurgeh
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Posted - 2003.09.12 09:20:00 -
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Edited by: Jernau Gurgeh on 12/09/2003 09:24:17
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We live in a tiny underpopulated galaxy that is about 1,000,000 times less dense than the Milky Way.
Actually our galaxy is the milky way. Like most spiral galaxies, it consists of a densely populated core, surrounded by a less dense spiral. Our own sun is in one of the spiral arms. When you see the milky way in the sky, you are looking at the galactic disc edge on.
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Zezman
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Posted - 2003.09.12 10:07:00 -
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Are you saying that the Eve Universe is supposed to be set in the Milky Way Galaxy? |
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