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Da'iel Zehn
Evil Frosty's Premium Liqours and Fine Wines
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Posted - 2014.01.17 20:12:00 -
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Hello there my beloved brethren and sisters,
So my question is... why so much secrecy about upcoming content and the direction of EvE? I really hate secrecy as we have to deal with it all the time out-of-pod in RL.
So much redaction in the CSM minutes. Made me a sad bear. 
Is because of the "Rabble Rabble Rabble?" Or is it all the "I'm Leaving EvE" threads or something? Is it because the threat of people unsubscribing can become a reality? What happened to the HTFU mentality introduced in that CCP rap song?
I'm curious... things used to be way more open.
Daniel Zehn
Keeper of Evil Frosty
PLEX for...-á :-) |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2912
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Posted - 2014.01.17 20:19:00 -
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Because the things talked about in the CSM are subject to change and are more often than not simply vague ideas talked about and thrown around the room without any real development work having gone into them yet. It's called expectation management.
Players as a general demographic are incapable of understanding the concept of "we haven't even started working on it yet", so we run into issues where players rage about stuff they didn't even need to know about. Let's say CCP was talking about designing a new module that does a fancy thing.
Some players will rage about the fancy thing it does and call it OP before any stats are made.
Some players will rage about CCP designing something that isn't part of their gameplay instead of fixing [playstyle], before the final functionality is finished.
Some players will rage at CCP for nerfing their playstyle in favor of [Goons/N3/carebears/pirates], when CCP isn't even sure if they want it to be allowed at all in [game area].
Some players will use the advance information to figure out how best to make trillions off the introduction of it via market games or be perfectly trained for it, spend all their money/time on getting ready for its release, then rage when CCP changes how it will be produced/used.
Finally, when CCP decides they cannot feasibly work out the technical limitations of the module, some players will rage about the half-assed functionality or the cancellation of the whole idea. Because "CCP PROMISED US THIS MODULE".
It's almost always a bad idea to present your ideas to the customers in the MMO biz before you have something tangible and polished to show them.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki
~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer
~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
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Posted - 2014.01.17 20:34:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Because the things talked about in the CSM are subject to change and are more often than not simply vague ideas talked about and thrown around the room without any real development work having gone into them yet. It's called expectation management.
Players as a general demographic are incapable of understanding the concept of "we haven't even started working on it yet", so we run into issues where players rage about stuff they didn't even need to know about. Let's say CCP was talking about designing a new module that does a fancy thing.
Some players will rage about the fancy thing it does and call it OP before any stats are made.
Some players will rage about CCP designing something that isn't part of their gameplay instead of fixing [playstyle], before the final functionality is finished.
Some players will rage at CCP for nerfing their playstyle in favor of [Goons/N3/carebears/pirates], when CCP isn't even sure if they want it to be allowed at all in [game area].
Some players will use the advance information to figure out how best to make trillions off the introduction of it via market games or be perfectly trained for it, spend all their money/time on getting ready for its release, then rage when CCP changes how it will be produced/used.
Finally, when CCP decides they cannot feasibly work out the technical limitations of the module, some players will rage about the half-assed functionality or the cancellation of the whole idea. Because "CCP PROMISED US THIS MODULE".
It's almost always a bad idea to present your ideas to the customers in the MMO biz before you have something tangible and polished to show them.
You should really go to work for CCP, you'd fit in perfectly....
CCP's mantra:
"Players as a general demographic are incapable of understanding the concepts"
CCP, trading shiny pictures for playability since 2003..
EvE, a cutting edge game. The only game to provide Matrix style gameplay for the masses! (trouble is, most people don't have 9 hours to waste on a one hour fight.) |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
9266
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Posted - 2014.01.17 20:37:00 -
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First rule of content club is we don't talk about content club.
Second rule is blank because of [USER WAS JUST BANNED FOR DISCUSSION OF CONTENT CLUB].
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Renegade Heart
Come at me bro 123
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Posted - 2014.01.17 20:37:00 -
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Lot's of tears everywhere but it's still the best game I've found. For those who don't want to HTFU please give me your stuff on the way out  |
Etria Issen
Imperial Varista
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Posted - 2014.01.17 20:51:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:Because the things talked about in the CSM are subject to change and are more often than not simply vague ideas talked about and thrown around the room without any real development work having gone into them yet. It's called expectation management.
Players as a general demographic are incapable of understanding the concept of "we haven't even started working on it yet", so we run into issues where players rage about stuff they didn't even need to know about. Let's say CCP was talking about designing a new module that does a fancy thing.
Some players will rage about the fancy thing it does and call it OP before any stats are made.
Some players will rage about CCP designing something that isn't part of their gameplay instead of fixing [playstyle], before the final functionality is finished.
Some players will rage at CCP for nerfing their playstyle in favor of [Goons/N3/carebears/pirates], when CCP isn't even sure if they want it to be allowed at all in [game area].
Some players will use the advance information to figure out how best to make trillions off the introduction of it via market games or be perfectly trained for it, spend all their money/time on getting ready for its release, then rage when CCP changes how it will be produced/used.
Finally, when CCP decides they cannot feasibly work out the technical limitations of the module, some players will rage about the half-assed functionality or the cancellation of the whole idea. Because "CCP PROMISED US THIS MODULE".
It's almost always a bad idea to present your ideas to the customers in the MMO biz before you have something tangible and polished to show them. You should really go to work for CCP, you'd fit in perfectly.... CCP's mantra: "Players as a general demographic are incapable of understanding the concepts"
That's true of gamers in general.
Give them a millimeter, and the noisy bunch will take a mile and complain about not meeting expectations. It's better to just tell them as little as possible, or only tell them something when it's just about to come out so there's no possible way they can misinterpret it and run with it. |
Doji Okakura
196
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Posted - 2014.01.17 21:01:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:"Players as a general demographic are incapable of understanding the concepts"
En masse, they are incapable, because in the public arena it all devolves into base disagreements, wrangling, trolling and all other manner bull****. Your voice, no matter how glorious it is to your own ears, is nullified by the din emitted by the throng which neither understands limitations nor willing submits to direction. |
DaReaper
Net 7
The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2014.01.17 21:04:00 -
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drat, I had a good old timey reply but the forums ate it.. oh well. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2916
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Posted - 2014.01.17 22:15:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:
You should really go to work for CCP, you'd fit in perfectly....
I would if they offered.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki
~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer
~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4141
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Posted - 2014.01.17 22:23:00 -
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Secrecy:
because irritating nerd rage over every little thing is irritating |
TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises
Almost Awesome.
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Posted - 2014.01.17 22:29:00 -
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probably becuase they just make up things week before the expansion and actually have no plan. that way the NDA is really a way to hide "hey, we need help. we have no idea what the **** to do. best we did was come up with the ESS, and people hate it." |
Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
50
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Posted - 2014.01.17 22:38:00 -
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Is there really anybody thinking the CSM is not a joke? |
Doji Okakura
197
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Posted - 2014.01.17 22:43:00 -
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Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Is there really anybody thinking the CSM is not a joke?
It's very serious business, sir.
They take planes and fly places. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
258
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Posted - 2014.01.17 22:54:00 -
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Brain fart.
If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
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Posted - 2014.01.17 22:57:00 -
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CCP have a history of not delivering on things they announced.
Better not to announce things and just deliver what's ready rather than create expectations that are not met. |
EvEa Deva
State War Academy
Caldari State
430
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Posted - 2014.01.17 22:59:00 -
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I don't know if I would call 1 new ship, nerfs and some crap deployable an expansion. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4141
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Posted - 2014.01.17 23:15:00 -
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If they had sharknados in space unannounced would anybody complain? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:25:00 -
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Any time CCP announces (or even hints) about upcoming changes, the mighty meta theory-crafting machine lumbers into action.
Markets are disrupted, forums are flooded and TMC spews more crap than usual. And that's six months before anything actually changes in game. On top of that if the changes don't end up being exactly what the forum experts interpreted general statements by CCP into specific, set in stone, mechanics happens, all hell breaks loose.
As entertaining as that is to watch, I'm still more inclined to see CCP keep upcoming changes under their hat. It's just more fair for everyone playing and not just the big alliances full of no-lifers.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
453
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:25:00 -
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I've only ever played eve. Is every MMO full of MMO experts?
Saw a youtube vid of a presentation about walking in stations. There was a glitch as soon as it started and 300 neckbeards started hooting, being autismal.
Maybe alcohol, maybe just that crowd, maybe CCP should treat you worse and charge you double.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Brock Nelson
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Posted - 2014.01.18 01:04:00 -
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Hydrogen Batteries ;)
Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2014.01.18 01:50:00 -
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Two words: Insider Trading.
WASABI: -áWarp Speed Module
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
477
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Posted - 2014.01.18 10:51:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:I've only ever played eve. Is every MMO full of MMO experts?
Yes, every MMO has them, EvE just takes it up to eleven.
Rogue Drones & derelict sites
Gurista Capsuleers Spotted |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Warfare Corp.
418
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Posted - 2014.01.18 10:58:00 -
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dont be afraid of the im leaving treads , its just that the im beginning eve treads arnt made often
The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Keno Skir
forward unt0 dawn
638
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Posted - 2014.01.18 11:25:00 -
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I'm kinda tempted to think it's because they plan to screw us over.. again...
Any time CCP has been super secretive about release content, it's been because they know if they tell us we'll all go mad. I naturally assume any non-discript updates will buff new players at the expense of everyone who actually cares about the game :)
Cya there o/
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
Disband.
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Posted - 2014.01.18 17:27:00 -
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EvEa Deva wrote:I don't know if I would call 1 new ship, nerfs and some crap deployable an expansion.
In fairness, it beats a single racial room.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Amanda Rosewater
Wolfger's Retreat
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Posted - 2014.01.18 19:26:00 -
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For the younglings out there, one word: Incrna. or WiS if you prefer.
Having something promised to be coming years before it is implemented only for it to be rushed in half assed and then end up being nothing anyone even wants causes MUCH MUCH butthurt and rage.
CCP would rather people rage about not knowing what is coming than over what was promised and not delivered. |
Dave Stark
4239
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Posted - 2014.01.18 19:34:00 -
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consider the following: all of the "secrets" are of equal quality to the ESS. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.18 20:06:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:You should really go to work for CCP, you'd fit in perfectly....
CCP's mantra:
"Highsec players as a general demographic are incapable of understanding the concepts"
Fixed.
This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Wolf Kruol
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2014.01.18 20:08:00 -
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Because they're afraid of the answer they already know is coming...
GÇ£If you're very very stupid? How can you possibly realize you're very very stupid?
You have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you really are!GÇ¥ |
Reiisha
Evolution
490
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Posted - 2014.01.18 20:27:00 -
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Da'iel Zehn wrote:Hello there my beloved brethren and sisters, So my question is... why so much secrecy about upcoming content and the direction of EvE? I really hate secrecy as we have to deal with it all the time out-of-pod in RL. So much redaction in the CSM minutes. Made me a sad bear. Is because of the "Rabble Rabble Rabble?" Or is it all the "I'm Leaving EvE" threads or something? Is it because the threat of people unsubscribing can become a reality? What happened to the HTFU mentality introduced in that CCP rap song? I'm curious... things used to be way more open. It gave me something to look forward to. Something to keep me excited about EvE and keep me here (as I get really bored now).
To prevent market speculation. To prevent getting hopes up when features turn out to be unfeasible.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |
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