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Alzion	Posted - 2006.03.24 04:23:00 - [31] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Alzion Its going to be untouchable with T2 range ammo and Caldari BS lvl 5. seeing as with t2 ammo and a couple of tracking computers nigh-on every ship hits out to the max locking range (250km), it's not much of an issue. It will be a good ship for people without t2 guns, but for those with there won't be much point over a megathron (which gets a damage and tracking bonus, as opposed to the likely optimal and shield resistance of the caldari tier 3). O rly? I would like to see your setup with an optimal of 250km. You do know that the stacking penality has been changed in RMR. Fleet setups usually have 3 tracking mods today because any more would be a waste of slots. standard T1 fleet setups operate at 100-115km, T2 fleet setups operate at 160-180km. My tachyon Armageddon has an optimal range of 187km using T2 Tachyons (Aurora L) w/ 3 tracking enhancer IIs. By my calculations a T2 Megathron setup would have an optimal range of 203km. Perhaps you know some secret to milk out extra range? I would like to see how "nigh-on every ship hits out to the max locking range (250km)". --------------------------------------------- I hear Linux can cure cancer and raise your sperm count. - Dionysus Davinci
Audri Fisher	Posted - 2006.03.24 05:53:00 - [32] am I the only one that sees a 10% range bonus as the ability to use javilon ammo at 80km? or use spike ammo at 250 km? 5 low slots... correct me if I am wrong, but don't the low slot tracking enhancers give a better opti,im range bonus than tracking comps? So lets say in a fleet battle you put 2 mag stabs, and 3 tracking enehancers. now you have 7 mids to play with for sensor boosters and a shield tank, which you get a free invuln 1 with its bonus to enhance your survivability. How is this a bad thing? I uess it is horrible the same way a dessy can harras gatecamps at 80km + With 7 150 mm tech II rails, you get 2 or three, and every frig, cepter, and a lot of assault frigs warp out, leaving the Battlships unescorted. What was I thinking that range bonuses are a good thing? I must be bonkers.
Katrana Lifebane	Posted - 2006.03.24 06:00:00 - [33] Edited by: Katrana Lifebane on 24/03/2006 06:00:52 Originally by: Audri Fisher am I the only one that sees a 10% range bonus as the ability to use javilon ammo at 80km? or use spike ammo at 250 km? 5 low slots... correct me if I am wrong, but don't the low slot tracking enhancers give a better opti,im range bonus than tracking comps? So lets say in a fleet battle you put 2 mag stabs, and 3 tracking enehancers. now you have 7 mids to play with for sensor boosters and a shield tank, which you get a free invuln 1 with its bonus to enhance your survivability. How is this a bad thing? I uess it is horrible the same way a dessy can harras gatecamps at 80km + With 7 150 mm tech II rails, you get 2 or three, and every frig, cepter, and a lot of assault frigs warp out, leaving the Battlships unescorted. What was I thinking that range bonuses are a good thing? I must be bonkers. They actually give the same amount of optimal range. (Tracking CPU and Tracking Enhancer, CPU gives more tracking, but it doesn't matter anyways for sniping.)
Hamatitio	Posted - 2006.03.24 06:09:00 - [34] TBH, if caldari get a railboat, there will be no need to train for anyother races ships. I am all for it though, large railgun spec 4, surgical strike 5, caldari battleship 5 for the win ^_^. (I used to fly gallente... there is a reason for me to have those gunnery skills) Cross speccing wins out in the end --- I Post on the forums for Fate. Im cool. Industrialists wanted
Dark PIne	Posted - 2006.03.24 06:13:00 - [35] Originally by: Sarmaul by the stats in the item db, it's got an 8/7/5 layout I think devs have said that tier 3 battleships won't be more powerful than faction battleships. With that slot layout how could it be? Will faction battleships be given a boost at the same time? Originally by: Maya Rkell 1v1, for BS, is an abberant situation and you must not balance for it.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.03.24 08:30:00 - [36] Originally by: Dark PIne Originally by: Sarmaul by the stats in the item db, it's got an 8/7/5 layout I think devs have said that tier 3 battleships won't be more powerful than faction battleships. With that slot layout how could it be? Will faction battleships be given a boost at the same time? I think/hope tier 3 will just be different instead of uber. If Caldari gets a railboat, they have battleships for EW, missiles and turrets for example. Hard to say which one is the most powerful, since it depends on the situation. --- "Automatic override. Manual control overridden by autopilot. Please wait for operation to complete. You can override the automatic autopilot override in 28 seconds. Then you can make it wait"
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.03.24 08:36:00 - [37] Originally by: Drew Blaze Edited by: Drew Blaze on 23/03/2006 19:50:46 Originally by: lofty29 CCP have said it will be a railboat, presumably following the merlin - moa ship line. 'Railboat' as in Hybrid correct? Hmmm, what to do now... I dont wanna train all my turret skills to lvl 5 now.. After I got all my Missile Skills to lvl 5. Are any of the new Tier-3 Battleships going to be Missile Boats?? WELOCME TO MINMATARS LIFE! WTB: The Correct DreadÖ
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.03.24 08:44:00 - [38] Originally by: Hamatitio TBH, if caldari get a railboat, there will be no need to train for anyother races ships. I think it would be better for game balance if some other race became the best in tier 3 battleships. Raven already is the most popular ship in the game, i would think. There needs to be a reason for new players to go another route than the caracal->ferox->raven route. Its getting really boring that everybody is doing the same thing. Right? --- "Automatic override. Manual control overridden by autopilot. Please wait for operation to complete. You can override the automatic autopilot override in 28 seconds. Then you can make it wait"
Nadec Ascand	Posted - 2006.03.24 09:05:00 - [39] and by all that i will be happy to fly for once a caldari bs.... Thats not that i suck at missiles, but i spent so many time training guns that i did find it better to fly tron atm... So caldari rail boat bs 4TW (i think u would be surprised by the number of caldari who just wait a railboat to get the large spec...) OMG our war have been hijack -eris What 0_o LMAO Nadec 4TW - Vanamonde Here start a new WAR => X - Wrangler
Crellion	Posted - 2006.03.24 12:39:00 - [40] The only reason peeps dont like the idea is because they have avoided Merlin - Moa - Harpy - Eagle - (ture)Ferox etc to take shortcuts in their education. Those who fly Eagle can see the potential. 425s with antimatter at 100kms can even hit frigs have dmg close to that of Mega (or better) at same range w/ the tracking penalty of the tech II ammo (you lose 3/4s of your tracking) and a mid slot tank -straight or through EW- thats as much as 3 sniper Megas. Same with 7 Neutrons Blasters and a potent shield tank... 3dmg mod lows... wanna bet it will outrange out tank and kill 1v1 the Blastethron??? (unless if they make the tier 3 Caldari into a Blasterthron in which case I dont know)... The potential uses of this BS are great... if you know your caldari ships. Oh! and it will kill the usual gank and tank Raven set up 1v1...
Nero Franco	Posted - 2006.03.24 12:42:00 - [41] Sod Caldari, they are the Chelsea FC of EVE. All powerful, everyone wants to be them, and nobody remembers the little guy! Is that Amarr T3 confirmed? And what about the T3 bc? I love the prophecy so that'll be interesting. Where can I read this stuff?!?!?! ============ ============ "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
SavageThrash	Posted - 2006.03.24 12:59:00 - [42] Originally by: Hamatitio Cross speccing wins out in the end My opinion to. People who spend 20 or 30 days on a battlecruiser or skill thats gonna help one ship is rediculious. 5% more range for 30 day training= $15... Not worth it imo when you could top off a bunch of other lvl 5 skills etc.
Mrmuttley	Posted - 2006.03.24 13:32:00 - [43] /me would pay good isk to see an 8 missle hardpoint Teir 3 Caldari PWNMobile That would be enough to get me back in Caldari BS on a regular basis. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This sig space for sale. Need something advertised? Reasonable Rates.
Hayabusa Fury	Posted - 2006.03.24 13:36:00 - [44] Originally by: SavageThrash Originally by: Hamatitio Cross speccing wins out in the end My opinion to. People who spend 20 or 30 days on a battlecruiser or skill thats gonna help one ship is rediculious. 5% more range for 30 day training= $15... Not worth it imo when you could top off a bunch of other lvl 5 skills etc. Isn't it 10% range per BC level on the Ferox and after 30 days you could be near 50% range bonus? So if you are dedicated to flying the Ferox(which is not a bad thing) then it could be worth it.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.03.24 13:44:00 - [45] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 24/03/2006 13:45:04 Its 50% to optimal range, which means you will be able to use the best ammo at 50% more range than any other ship. Could make a big difference in pvp vs a brutix, for example. Would allow you to keep outside his optimal, but within your own. --- "Automatic override. Manual control overridden by autopilot. Please wait for operation to complete. You can override the automatic autopilot override in 28 seconds. Then you can make it wait"
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.24 13:55:00 - [46] Well if you consider following stuff: Griffin > Blackbird > Scorion (EW) Kestrel > Caracal > Raven (Missles) Merlin > Moa > Tier3 (Rails) Caldaris new ship is pretty obvius burst > Bellicose > Tempest (The matari shield tankers, EW?) Vigil > Stabber > Typhoon (armor tanks, missles, short range, fast) Rifter > Rupture > ?? Tier 3? (Armot tanks, long range) The Minmatar ships follow now real design through the different classes. Its obvius that the Typhoon is a bigger stabber, but with the split weapon systems of the bellicose. The Tempest could be seen as a bigger Bellicose, cause the bellicose is the shield tanking howitzer platform, like the Tempest. But the boni the tempest has, makes it more of a bigger Rupture. Rupture and Rifter are armor tankers, with double damage boni, basicly something the new tier3 wont follow, cause Tempest has already double damage bonus. Basicly we have revererted roles here. Imicus > Vexor > Dominix (Drones) Tristan > Celestis > Megathron (Rails and missles) Incursus > Thorax > Tier3 (Blasters) The Celestis got changed into a EW ship, but it was a bigger Tristan before the change. The large blasterrole seems to be unused yet, explains the good performance of the railthron and the bad of the blasterthron. Imicus lacks drone skills, but is clearly the frigate with biggest dronebay gallente have. Executioner > Omen > Armageddon (Damage, pulse lasers) Punisher > Maller > Apocalypse (Tanking, Beams) Cruzifier > Arbitor > Tier3?? (EW, midslots) Amarr are difficult for their new tier3. We have 2 clear lines which are followed through the classes: damage or tank. The one missing is the Midlsot EW/missle bastard chield. The cruzifier isnt a bastard, but the Inquisitor didnt get change to the EW ship.
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.03.24 14:19:00 - [47] I'm hoping for atleast 4 launcher slots, then I'd do 4 nos 4 launchers, if not 4 nos, 2 neuts, 2 launchers :P Only cause my gunnery skills suck. (due to guns being for unskilled losers) Fear the Ibis of doom.
Nero Franco	Posted - 2006.03.24 14:22:00 - [48] And the Amarr family tree for those EW ships are the two least used Amarr ships.. so it would have to be a very big improvement to make a classy T2 EW Amarr ship. Something along the lines of how nobody uses the Bellicose (see the least used ship thread) but then very hardcore people use the Tempest as a weapon of choice... ============ ============ "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
Yezah	Posted - 2006.03.24 15:21:00 - [49] Edited by: Yezah on 24/03/2006 15:23:30 Edited by: Yezah on 24/03/2006 15:20:58 Originally by: SavageThrash Originally by: Hamatitio Cross speccing wins out in the end My opinion to. People who spend 20 or 30 days on a battlecruiser or skill thats gonna help one ship is rediculious. 5% more range for 30 day training= $15... Not worth it imo when you could top off a bunch of other lvl 5 skills etc. I'm confused, BC skill helps 4 ships and BC 5 is required for 8 more, not really helping one ship is it? I don't see why tier3 caldari BS with range bonus will be overpowered, isn't 25% extra damage and tracking more important than 50% extra range?
Alzion	Posted - 2006.03.24 16:06:00 - [50] Originally by: Yezah Edited by: Yezah on 24/03/2006 15:23:30 Edited by: Yezah on 24/03/2006 15:20:58 Originally by: SavageThrash Originally by: Hamatitio Cross speccing wins out in the end My opinion to. People who spend 20 or 30 days on a battlecruiser or skill thats gonna help one ship is rediculious. 5% more range for 30 day training= $15... Not worth it imo when you could top off a bunch of other lvl 5 skills etc. I'm confused, BC skill helps 4 ships and BC 5 is required for 8 more, not really helping one ship is it? I don't see why tier3 caldari BS with range bonus will be overpowered, isn't 25% extra damage and tracking more important than 50% extra range? no, 50% range is much better than 25% damage for fleet battleships. During the F-E/-5- war -5- BS fleets consisted of nearly 100% T2 Battleships, all of which could shoot at 160+km. On the other hand F-E fleet consisted of primarily T1 ships with a general maximum range of 120km. Even though the F-E fleet greatly outnumbered the -5- fleet F-E simply couldn't hold a defensive postion because -5- would engage out of our range. If the caldari railboat is introduced with a optimal range bonus I think it will quickly make all other battleships obsolete for fleet combat. --------------------------------------------- I hear Linux can cure cancer and raise your sperm count. - Dionysus Davinci
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.24 16:08:00 - [51] Originally by: Nero Franco And the Amarr family tree for those EW ships are the two least used Amarr ships.. so it would have to be a very big improvement to make a classy T2 EW Amarr ship. Something along the lines of how nobody uses the Bellicose (see the least used ship thread) but then very hardcore people use the Tempest as a weapon of choice... As I said, the actual Minmatar and the not finished Amarr designs make no real sense for me
iamme	Posted - 2006.07.08 23:40:00 - [52] I fly caldari and gall and my skills are equal in both. With tier 3 caldari being railboat I can sell my megathron so again caldari are kings of battle. Whats the point to be another race other than caladri? They get the best of both worlds a missile bs and rails what could be better .......Way to balance the game devs woooot !!!! --------------------------------------------- Well I can't think of anything nice to say so I'll just say nothing at all!
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.08 23:48:00 - [53] /splashes around holy water
Tovarishch	Posted - 2006.07.08 23:59:00 - [54] Originally by: iamme I fly caldari and gall and my skills are equal in both. With tier 3 caldari being railboat I can sell my megathron so again caldari are kings of battle. Whats the point to be another race other than caladri? They get the best of both worlds a missile bs and rails what could be better .......Way to balance the game devs woooot !!!! Amazing stuff here. Let's see - 1. No facts regarding the new tier 3 BS... but whining nonetheless. 2. Post in general lacks facts... just complaining and misinformation. 3. Iamme bumped a post months old in order to present us a shining example of what makes these forums a waste of time. and (drum roll please) - 4. His sig tops it off with saying - Originally by: Iamme Well I can't think of anything nice to say so I'll just say nothing at all! This is officially a 'One Diaper Post' now. Only two things in life are certain... and Mercenary Coalition doesn't do taxes.
St Dragon	Posted - 2006.07.09 00:18:00 - [55] Ill just post confirmed facts here. 1. It has been said by devs that it will be a rail-boat dont remember where it was said tho. 2. Here is the official concept art showing it with 8 turrets fitted [so i guess it will be able to fit 8 guns]. Gunship of DEATH!!! Other than this nothing is confirmed. ----------------------------------------------- "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Areconus	Posted - 2006.07.09 01:10:00 - [56] Originally by: Dark PIne Originally by: Sarmaul by the stats in the item db, it's got an 8/7/5 layout I think devs have said that tier 3 battleships won't be more powerful than faction battleships. With that slot layout how could it be? Will faction battleships be given a boost at the same time? Yes but what about the t3 faction bses?
fkingfurious	Posted - 2006.07.09 01:28:00 - [57] I can see one MASSIVE problem with the caldari railboat. As already stated, with spike ammo any clown can get the 250km max range. But where it would ( in my opinion) excel would be as a mid range heavy shield tanker using ( due to its range boost) close range high damage ammo. Look at the stats for Javelin L. -12% shield HP Thatd be the tier3 caldari railboat f****d then.
DarKDruG	Posted - 2006.07.09 01:44:00 - [58] Originally by: fkingfurious I can see one MASSIVE problem with the caldari railboat. As already stated, with spike ammo any clown can get the 250km max range. But where it would ( in my opinion) excel would be as a mid range heavy shield tanker using ( due to its range boost) close range high damage ammo. Look at the stats for Javelin L. -12% shield HP Thatd be the tier3 caldari railboat f***d then. atm javelin fcks every caldari gunboat matey, not too happy about it either. i've got maxed out skills for eagle+med rails and i'm a sad puppy that i can't use this ammo... Sig Removed. The max size for a sig is 400*120 pixels and 24000 bytes. -ReverendM ([email protected])
fkingfurious	Posted - 2006.07.09 01:49:00 - [59] Yeah, it is a shame. I fly mainly gallente and obviously gallente ships love the stuff. Not sure an eagle suffers cos i dont think many people even consider using them at that sort of range. And i like Harpies a lot, but tend to fly them with blasters, but u couldnt use javelin if u wanted to. Javelin atm is totally gallente oriented, which is bloody silly given the song and dance CCP have made about giving caldari a tier 3 railboat. Unless of course theyve already decided that it WILL be flwn as a sniper no matter what the poor paying punter thinks.

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