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Paulus Attredies
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.01.18 20:31:00 -
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Its a cool concept, but some major flaws with this game need to be addressed for people under the 10M SP bar. Ill just accept the fact that training skills in real time is just a part of this game that is never going to change. However, there are two fixes to this game that would of kept me still playing those being:
-Better story, missions, environments- I do not feel immersed. I feel no sense of accomplishment going to different stations and killing space pirates. The terrain is all the same. A metal box orbiting a moon and some pirates in some asteroid belt by some secrete science facility. There is no direction for me to go.
-Reduced monthly expense for people who just want to train OPTION- There is no justification to pay 20 dollars for something where you do nothing. There should be an option to pay only 1 dollar a month. You cannot log into the server. All you do is go on the website and click skills to train.
Anyway those are my two problems. Ill keep tabs on this game to see if there are any new developments.
Sorry guys, I feel like a failure, like I just barely missed falling in love with this game, but I gave it a few months. I gave it an honest shot. This just is not the game for me. And when I say not the game for me, I mean; this is just not a game in my eyes worth paying 15 dollars a month for.
I am sure to some of you eve vets and eve enthusiast probably think I am crazy, but there is a huge hill you have to climb as a new player, but the climb for a new player is nothing but waiting.... Its like the game and the gaming community are telling new players "this is an awesome game and we know you know it, so we are going to make you wait months and months doing nothing before you have any fun".
Best of luck to you all. |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
162
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Posted - 2014.01.18 20:36:00 -
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There's really no need to come explain yourself. If you want to go, just go.
Your also very wrong in your assumption. You can be active from day 1 in PvP and other aspects of the game. No need to reach 10 million SP before you start playing.
However, before you biomass (please do), can I haz your stuff? |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9872
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Posted - 2014.01.18 20:36:00 -
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Some people are just not suited to having to wait for something or having long term goals. You made the mistake of waiting for you skills to finish and burned out before you got doing things. You will be back. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Zircon Dasher
332
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Posted - 2014.01.18 20:37:00 -
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Your stuff.
I can have?
EDIT: beaten Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'. |

Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
29
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Posted - 2014.01.18 20:38:00 -
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Do some trade, mission ect ect make 5b a month and buy a 40m sp character.... problem solved |

Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
621
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Posted - 2014.01.18 20:45:00 -
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Paulus Attredies wrote:Its a cool concept, but some major flaws with this game need to be addressed for people under the 10M SP bar. Ill just accept the fact that training skills in real time is just a part of this game that is never going to change. However, there are two fixes to this game that would of kept me still playing those being:
-Better story, missions, environments- I do not feel immersed. I feel no sense of accomplishment going to different stations and killing space pirates. The terrain is all the same. A metal box orbiting a moon and some pirates in some asteroid belt by some secrete science facility. There is no direction for me to go.
I've been a mission runner for 6 years. I enjoy it. Not everyone does. And that's the thing there is so much more to this game than running the same missions for the same agent over and over ad nauseum.
Exploration Piracy Scamming Mining Ganking Trading Lo-Sec Gate Camping Null Sec Fleet Fights I am sure there is a lot I'm forgetting but you get the idea. You're frustrated because you're only seeing one small facet of this game.
Quote:-Reduced monthly expense for people who just want to train OPTION- There is no justification to pay 20 dollars for something where you do nothing. There should be an option to pay only 1 dollar a month. You cannot log into the server. All you do is go on the website and click skills to train.
Training skills is not what this game is about. You train the skills WHILE you're doing the other things in the game that are listed above. Maybe the reason you don't feel immersed is that you're logging on. queuing up skills, and then logging off again.
Quote:Anyway those are my two problems. Ill keep tabs on this game to see if there are any new developments.
Sorry guys, I feel like a failure, like I just barely missed falling in love with this game, but I gave it a few months. I gave it an honest shot. This just is not the game for me. And when I say not the game for me, I mean; this is just not a game in my eyes worth paying 15 dollars a month for.
I am sure to some of you eve vets and eve enthusiast probably think I am crazy, but there is a huge hill you have to climb as a new player, but the climb for a new player is nothing but waiting.... Its like the game and the gaming community are telling new players "this is an awesome game and we know you know it, so we are going to make you wait months and months doing nothing before you have any fun".
Best of luck to you all.
Have fun playing whatever other game you choose that gives you the immediate gratification you are looking for. "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |

Dain Rokjaw
Shotguns and Duct Tape
11
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Posted - 2014.01.18 20:50:00 -
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5m SP here, more ISK than I need to keep myself in ships that are plenty big enough to do stuff in - and more to the point, plenty of fun to be had because I'm not blinkered by "EVE is supers and titans and nullsec oh my". Alt is purposefully staying under the 900k alpha clone level and doing just fine.
Glass ceilings are all in the mind...
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Zircon Dasher
333
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Posted - 2014.01.18 21:00:00 -
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Dain Rokjaw wrote: Glass ceilings are all in the mind...
I am sure that women around the world would be glad to know this information. Please go tell them! Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'. |

voetius
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
178
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Posted - 2014.01.18 21:07:00 -
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Paulus Attredies wrote:Its a cool concept, but some major flaws with this game need to be addressed for people under the 10M SP bar.
-Reduced monthly expense for people who just want to train OPTION- There is no justification to pay 20 dollars for something where you do nothing. There should be an option to pay only 1 dollar a month. You cannot log into the server. All you do is go on the website and click skills to train.
10m SP is around 6 months which is how long it takes to get all core certs to elite (under the old cert system), so while that is a "nice to have" it's not really essential to play.
The problem with the $1 per month to train is that it would trash the Character Bazaar. |

Mag's
the united SCUM.
16552
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Posted - 2014.01.18 21:09:00 -
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Cya.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

Digits Kho
Imperial Navy Lobsters U N K N O W N
45
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Posted - 2014.01.18 21:46:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:
I've been a mission runner for 6 years.
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Dain Rokjaw
Shotguns and Duct Tape
14
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Posted - 2014.01.18 21:59:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:Dain Rokjaw wrote: Glass ceilings are all in the mind...
I am sure that women around the world would be glad to know this information. Please go tell them! 
Tell them what? Amusingly pretty much every woman IRL that I know to have complained about a "glass ceiling" has been lazy, whiny and self-entitled - much like the OP... :p |

Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1296
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Posted - 2014.01.18 22:06:00 -
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the game doesn'tr try very hard to immerse you in NPC bullcrap. You should get immersed in an environment where other people affect what you do. I would think RvB was a good place for that. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |

Doji Okakura
230
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Posted - 2014.01.18 22:07:00 -
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Paulus Attredies wrote:There is no justification to pay 20 dollars for something where you do nothing. There is no justification for doing nothing simply because you can't do it with a T2 fitting. There is no justification for expecting an online sandbox environment to provide all your content. And there is no justification for complaining about forking over the equivalent of a pack of smokes, a coffee and a sandwich to play this terrible, wonderful game. |

Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1135
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Posted - 2014.01.19 00:53:00 -
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You wouldnt have given such a detailed description of why you leave if you didn't want some feedback on why people think differently. I too have a feeling you will be back. What you sum up is typical of people who need a break.
One tip: the immersion of Eve is in playing with other people, having the idea that whatever you do affects the gameplay of other players and subtle (less visual) variables in the environment. That is worth forking some money over every month for me. The stale PVE content, not so much. The flying around with friends, shooting ships and structures bit is pure gold if you get with the right people. |

Flashy 'Red' Bee
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.01.19 00:56:00 -
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Oh my, he didn't 'get' the game. :\
What a sad, sad day it is ... |

Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
195
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Posted - 2014.01.19 00:58:00 -
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Paulus Attredies wrote:I do not feel immersed. I feel no sense of accomplishment going to different stations and killing space pirates. The terrain is all the same. A metal box orbiting a moon and some pirates in some asteroid belt by some secrete science facility. There is no direction for me to go. This is the best part, really.
Create a new, pretty, female character! Make the name count! Join the epic boo bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!) You're at it from day 0! |

KnowUsByTheDead
Hoplites
943
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Posted - 2014.01.19 01:05:00 -
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I would ask to requisition your supplies, but it seems they have already been spoken for...
You know what?
**** it.
Stuffz!!!!
Can I haz!!!!!
   Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |

Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1046
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Posted - 2014.01.19 01:47:00 -
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I think I was 3mo in the game, certainly less than 10mil sp, when I helped kill a war target flying a Dominix Navy Issue. The next month I was in a wormhole killing a tengu and a drake. You need to get different friends. Better ones. I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |

Michael Ruckert
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2014.01.19 03:09:00 -
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I think I recognize the OP from a previous encounter.
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh269/equestriancdr/10-million-sp_zpsef7adcbd.jpg |

Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
176
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Posted - 2014.01.19 03:17:00 -
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really the difference between a vet and a new player is the vet has the specific skills he wants at 5.
training most skills to lvl 4 takes like a few days each, alot less for some. Its done that was so a new pilot, providing she/he knows what they want can rapidly train to lvl 4 in each skill and be effective, not the best, but effective. Granted some things take longer, like t2 ships but those arent beginner things anyway.
lvl 4 bs, gun skills at lvl 4, cap and nav skills at lvl 4 and tank of your choice lvl 4, all up would take like, a month maybe. I had this pilot in a retriever before i even left rookie chat.
Yes its slow and a bit bleh for the first week or 2, but every new game is going to be like that, as you work out what to do, what you like, what interests you. |

Petra Hakaari
Stalking Wolfpack
82
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Posted - 2014.01.19 03:26:00 -
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Eve has chewed you and spit you, youre not strong enough.
Can you tell me which one of these are you? Im just curious :P |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4401
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Posted - 2014.01.19 03:29:00 -
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Batelle wrote:the game doesn'tr try very hard to immerse you in NPC bullcrap. You should get immersed in an environment where other people affect what you do. I would think RvB was a good place for that.
exactly, the character i use for RvB (actually in and out of RvB swapping for faction warfare) has like 7 mil SP and kicks ass in a Thorax lol. In fact, the onyl ting holding that toon back is the fact that I'm at the keyboard  |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4401
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Posted - 2014.01.19 03:31:00 -
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Paulus Attredies wrote:Its a cool concept, but some major flaws with this game need to be addressed for people under the 10M SP bar. Ill just accept the fact that training skills in real time is just a part of this game that is never going to change. However, there are two fixes to this game that would of kept me still playing those being:
-Better story, missions, environments- I do not feel immersed. I feel no sense of accomplishment going to different stations and killing space pirates. The terrain is all the same. A metal box orbiting a moon and some pirates in some asteroid belt by some secrete science facility. There is no direction for me to go.
-Reduced monthly expense for people who just want to train OPTION- There is no justification to pay 20 dollars for something where you do nothing. There should be an option to pay only 1 dollar a month. You cannot log into the server. All you do is go on the website and click skills to train.
Anyway those are my two problems. Ill keep tabs on this game to see if there are any new developments.
Sorry guys, I feel like a failure, like I just barely missed falling in love with this game, but I gave it a few months. I gave it an honest shot. This just is not the game for me. And when I say not the game for me, I mean; this is just not a game in my eyes worth paying 15 dollars a month for.
I am sure to some of you eve vets and eve enthusiast probably think I am crazy, but there is a huge hill you have to climb as a new player, but the climb for a new player is nothing but waiting.... Its like the game and the gaming community are telling new players "this is an awesome game and we know you know it, so we are going to make you wait months and months doing nothing before you have any fun".
Best of luck to you all.
I too want 1 Dollar Cyno/scout accounts CCP! Make it happen.
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Remiel Pollard
A Powerful Lowsec Corporation
2374
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Posted - 2014.01.19 05:15:00 -
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Guess how people with more than 10mil SP got them, kiddo? They played the game and paid in full.
Also, low SP doesn't make you uncompetitive. The attitude that it does is what makes you uncompetitive. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
This is a game for patient gamers. Ie, it's a good game. The reason there are so many bad games coming out, or being released before being completed (*ahem*xafterbirth*ahem*) is because of impatient gamers. Bad games attract impatient gamers. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1071

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Posted - 2014.01.19 06:18:00 -
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Quote:32. "Quitting" posts are only permitted on the Out of Pod Experience channel.
CCP recognize that during the course of gameplay a lot of friendships are made between players and that sometimes if a player is taking a break or departing from the EVE universe that they would like to say goodbye on the forums. Posts of this nature are only permitted on the Out of Pod Experience forum, and must be civil and well worded. Thread locked. ISD LackOfFaith Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISD_LackOfFaith on Twitter |
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
168
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Posted - 2014.01.19 06:20:00 -
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Generally the only reason you would be ineffective under 10 million SP is if you mucked about and built a random toon that trained a bit of mining and then maybe trained industrials, decided to go exploring but didnt lik eit, swapped races decided they like battlecruisers then went to battleships instead swapped from missiles to turrets before realising they really need a drone boat and swapped again then decided they liked the look of ninja stuff and went all the way back to frigates and started doing covops.
If you have some sort of focus for a character for example assault frigates to V in a particular race with T2 weapons to match you will be very effective way under 10 mill SP.
As far as $1 play cost, goes letting people train multiple alts for $12 a year per character is probably not a great plan. You do realise you can play for free once you start making ISK providing you stay focussed on a plan and do not keep buying newer every shinier ships.
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