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I dont think u get what i meant i never said its as simple as that with hostiles on grid i was refering to the movement of slowcats that they dont crawl newere they can just jump to werever theres a cyno lit if untackled theres no getting infront of them cos they dont use gates.

Im nt whining i think there an awsome tactic like RR BS on steriods and they harvest goon tears which is a bonus in itself

I am not experienced in fleet combat so don't fully know the mechanics. The impression I get from the forums is that a large fleet can be tied down in TiDi by engaging in combat, get them to deploy a gazillion drones and drop TiDi to 10%. Then your main fleet runs up to the archons how bases and blows stuff up whilst they panic and watch the clock...

At worst they'll abandon the drones to withdraw to home at expense of time, jump fuel, and abandoned drones which you can then hoover up. Drone farming anyone? :D

it'll also **** them off to have a target simply run away when they deploy the sentries and have to watch sov structures go pop in the distance. If you are really lucky they may screw the warp up and leave stragglers behind that you can eat.. Think of the archon blob as a t-rex, you have to attack it like a bunch of raptors...a bite here, a nibble there...then go and eat the baby t-rex's whilst it's not looking

[2:31:28 PM] The Mittani: gf gf on your turkeyshoot jean
[2:31:39 PM] The Mittani: this is an unplayable disaster
[2:31:50 PM] Jean Leaner: Im not even getting to turkeyshoot my fighter bombers wont deploy
[2:31:52 PM] The Mittani: nothing can even load or turn on hardeners so all those dreads are yours to kill~
[2:33:38 PM] DHD: THE COALITION NOTORIOUS FOR SHITSTACKING NUMBERS GETTING THEIR **** STACKED BECAUSE OF THEIR NUMBERS
[2:33:38 PM] DHD: HUE
[2:33:39 PM] DHD: HUE
[2:33:58 PM] The Mittani: if you upvote a r/eve thread a bunch about it maybe it'll turn the tide dhd~
[2:34:14 PM] DHD: WHY YES I WOULD LIKE TO LOAD THE SYSTEM WITH LIKE A THOUSAND SUBCAPS, THEN EAT **** TRYING TO JUMP IN DREADS AFTER
[2:34:29 PM] DHD: THIS IS A THING I THINK WILL GO WELL

Who cares?
I mean we are speaking of a game where we have prolly 5000 players when we see "30000" online because some people are using 20 toons at once.
Get ogb alt, get falcon alt, get neutral logi alt....
New players in this game are horrified because they get ganked, harrased etc but hey CCP gives us new mobile structures instead of REALLY fixing this game^^.
The best are the people who tell you: Yes every new player can do pvp directly after he starts game. Hahahaha. Good joke.
In best case maybe after a month very focussed training.
Had just yesterday a convo with a 3 day old player. He was completely desperate because he wanted to do pvp but best he could do was erm... NOTHING!?!?! Lol.
Really eve needs a BIG overhaul. Actually it is a stagnating game with less players and more an more alts.
It is a veteran game with 5 alts online per player, where newbies have absolutely no place.
Would be really curious how many real players we have out of these 30000 active players on the server. 5000? 10000?
And would be really curious to see how many new players really stay in the game. 10%? 15%?
Really what should I tell a 3 day old player who wants to do pvp?
Actually the only solution would be "Okay look out for your skill queue the next 2 months and start playing then."
And even then the only possibility to do pvp for this new player without 3 alts will be to join bigger fleets or he will get permaganked by these "my flacon alt, my neutal logi alt, my neutal ogb alt.... and I solod your battleship with a noobship" guys.
But yes CCP this game needs moremobile structures^^

@Grace Ishukone: The main issue here are sentries and not all drones. Ever tried to kill an inty with light drones? Especially with links? Not doable. He could kite you until downtime.
There is even a trick playing with the idiotic drone AI that you are completely immune to light drones. Saw that the first time when my warriors couldn-¦t hit a 3k m/s Kessie and I was in an algos^^
But yes new mobile structures are more important than fixing damn drones and people sitting with 20 alts in ISBoxer^^

lol, as if somebody actually used T1 cruisers for Null Sov Warfare.

It must suck when the "crash node" tactic (I guess it's a tactic otherwise it would be in CAOD or some other place where people care about null sec) backfires on you.

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It doesn't work that way. Structures are on reinforcement timers so you need to shoot them and then come back after a set period of time and shoot them again before you can destroy them or flip them. HED was on a final timer iirc so CFC and RUS had to win that fight or they would lose they system, whereas any PL or N3 stuff that got hit could be defended later.
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lolol

Sad, I missed the old days when t1 cruisers had a place in sov war too. Those days are gone.

2003 maybe?

The only reason slowcats weren't the best fleet around back then was probably because there were not many enough carriers in existence yet.
We have reached an equilibrium in the weapons race now. It is like when you make the best units in an RTS game, you just build more and more of them, and the side with the most of them wins. The best units in the current game is slowcats. perfect Alpha delivery and huge tank.
Now we need bigger, better weapons, that don't exist, that slowly over the next 5 years will be built and gradually fade out the slowcat fleet rule. But then in 5 years time, then everyone will have those weapons as well, and something new will have to be made. Otherwise we will reach this equilibrium again.

CCP, make new units! Or first just remove the drone assist thing (fighters and bombers should be able to do it still I think?).

Question: Looking through the eWar options last night and wondered would a fleet of celestis with a bunch of dampers each not play havoc with the archons targeting ability? Locking range would drop away drastically and the locking time would go to hell. With ships with enough range accompanying the celestis would this not cause some pain to the slowcat fleet?