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Lady Ariness
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Posted - 2006.03.24 23:07:00 -
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Ok, I'm your standard pirate. I shoot stuff up whenever I can. I limit myself to attacking cruisers and bigger whenever possible as attacking frigs/destroyers is always pointless.
I also attack other pirates.
Here's where the problem lies. Whenever I attack or am attacked by pirates, it seems that the fight always ends in either myself dieing or them warping off with WCS. I don't mind dieing, it happens. I DO mind supposed PvPers who tend to despise WCS and are always willing to whine about them, using them so frequently.
I come across a greater percentage of pirates with WCS than I do NPCers/Miners.
I'm not sure why exactly I'm making this post, it's not going to get anywhere and it'll just end up in flames most likely but it ****es me off and I need to get it off my chest. Thank you!
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.03.24 23:11:00 -
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i dont use wcs 
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dumb alt
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Posted - 2006.03.24 23:12:00 -
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this is my alt
I am a pirate who uses WCS. I understand why people dont like them but lets face facts, without them you get scrambled on the gate by some jackass in a slasher with a mwd and he waits until the gate guns destroy you then picks up the peices. I know that some people say they hate them but if you try to scramble those people I would bet they could manage to warp off instead of losing their ship.
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tiller
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Posted - 2006.03.24 23:14:00 -
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oh boohoo 
Seriously, it aint a problem.. If someone warps away it's because your tactics failed.
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Ange1
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Posted - 2006.03.24 23:21:00 -
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WCS are such a waste on a combat vessel. If you're going to get caught on the other side of a gate, well sorry but you should have a scout to check for these things and its your own damned fault if a someone scrambles you on the other side. When I commit to an engagement, I do so with the knowledge I may be scrambled and never get out and I'm a Blaster pilot who has to go point blank ranges =P
To be honest, it gives the adrenaline rush of PvP that extra sweet taste to it
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Nahia Senne
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Posted - 2006.03.24 23:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Ange1
To be honest, it gives the adrenaline rush of PvP that extra sweet taste to it
adrenaline rush is over as soon as you realize that you will either die or your target will warp away
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2006.03.24 23:34:00 -
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pussies use wcs, be it pierats or carebears
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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Ange1
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Posted - 2006.03.24 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nahia Senne
Originally by: Ange1
To be honest, it gives the adrenaline rush of PvP that extra sweet taste to it
adrenaline rush is over as soon as you realize that you will either die or your target will warp away
Even if one is warp scrambled, assuming you didn't jump into a fleet where you'd get instaganked, there is always the chance you can destroy or force away the tackler and escape
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Mazad
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Posted - 2006.03.24 23:51:00 -
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Using WCS is worse than leaving empty slots. |
Golden Helmet
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Posted - 2006.03.24 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: wierchas noobhunter
i dont use wcs
Same. WCS = t3h lose.
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Nahia Senne
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Posted - 2006.03.25 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ange1
Even if one is warp scrambled, assuming you didn't jump into a fleet where you'd get instaganked, there is always the chance you can destroy or force away the tackler and escape
if your mid's are loaded with scramblers, your chances of winning 1v1 are rather slim regardless of what tank youre running.
of course, if you dont travel a lot and stick to one place, you can do witout the uber "i cant lose" mod
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pshepherd
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Posted - 2006.03.25 00:09:00 -
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i fit WCS if i can't see any other low module giving me a 'decent' advantage.
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Mazad
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Posted - 2006.03.25 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: pshepherd
i fit WCS if i can't see any other low module giving me a 'decent' advantage.
WCS aren't an advantage, they're an excuse.
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Kilo Paskaa
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Posted - 2006.03.25 01:02:00 -
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2006.03.25 01:07:00 -
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Edited by: Lifewire on 25/03/2006 01:07:57
WCS are excellent modules for people that want to jump through a pirate camp or want to min/npc hunt in a pirated area.
So it was just a question of time that pirates discovered these totally overpowered modules too - for their usage! WCS offer to pass areas full of enemys, perfect guerillia equipment. WCS offer to attack solo and if "they" call their gangmates you can still run. WCS are anti-blob-equipment, a must for serious pirates these days. You dont need WCS if you outnumber and control an area, but if you are alone with 12 enemys in local, there is nothing that would be more usefull than a full rack of friendly WCS.
There is nothing to whine about stabs, not for pirates and not for carebears. If you want to kill a stabpacker --> use more scramblers.
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2006.03.25 01:08:00 -
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Sometimes noobs/idiots/buffoons think it is cool to out number you, then smack talk when you wont fight them.
The best counter to people massively outnumbering you is to fit stabs and EW, gank some of them then run away laughing. If you have a problem with that, fine die instead. But when you fly solo alot and go into fight after fight and get jammed by any ship with more than 2 med slots consistently, you begin to warm to stabs.
I used to moan about stabs too, and I still think it is lame to fit them in fleets - its like letting your friends down. But if you want to make money from pirating, sometimes you have to fit them. They have thier tactical purposes.
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Ange1
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Posted - 2006.03.25 02:17:00 -
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The Cloaking Device is a far more effective weapon than the Warp Core Stablizer...
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Gericault m0id
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Posted - 2006.03.25 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ange1
The Cloaking Device is a far more effective weapon than the Warp Core Stablizer...
Not when you're locked and scrambled 
No seriously. I never use WCS unless I'm shipping some serious loot or getting a BS to my base to fit some decent modules. Whenever I PvP I'm WCS-less. Recently, however, I've been attacked by some pirates (won't mentioned any names... but they hang around Placid a lot) that use AT LEAST! three WCS on their battle ships. As you can see in magic_003 about half way down... 
/m0id.
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.25 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ange1
The Cloaking Device is a far more effective weapon than the Warp Core Stablizer...
If you like to hide and not fight, sure.
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
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Izo Azlion
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Posted - 2006.03.25 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lifewire
Edited by: Lifewire on 25/03/2006 01:07:57
WCS are excellent modules for people that want to jump through a pirate camp or want to min/npc hunt in a pirated area.
So it was just a question of time that pirates discovered these totally overpowered modules too - for their usage! WCS offer to pass areas full of enemys, perfect guerillia equipment. WCS offer to attack solo and if "they" call their gangmates you can still run. WCS are anti-blob-equipment, a must for serious pirates these days. You dont need WCS if you outnumber and control an area, but if you are alone with 12 enemys in local, there is nothing that would be more usefull than a full rack of friendly WCS.
There is nothing to whine about stabs, not for pirates and not for carebears. If you want to kill a stabpacker --> use more scramblers.
I'll use a ferox for an example.
4 low slots filled with WCS' will give a huge bonus to the pus... user.
5 mid slots
AB, Booster, Hardener, 20km scrammer and extender.
So what do we drop? Do we slow ourselves? Do we weaken a tank? Two 7.5km 2strengths are going to **** your tank so hard. With WCS, their low slots, and dont screw Caldari ships so much.
Brutix?
Low slots of WCS will screw your tank hard, so when you scram, you cant fight for crap, and have to use the WCS to warp off. Great. You can run away in any other situation bar multi-tacklers.
Great
WCS make ships useless. People die because of WCS'. When your fighting, and not running, a WCS is a empty slot.
When your fighting and not being scrammed, its an empty slot.
When your flying anywhere its an empty slot.
Its like fitting a hull repper, your planning to lose. Grow some balls, keep an eye on local and use the scanner people, its much more effective.
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Ange1
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Posted - 2006.03.25 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zysco
If you like to hide and not fight, sure.
I think you'll find that those who have fought The Establishment in the past will agree that our use of cloaks is a source of tactical strength for us and frustration for them
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.25 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Izo Azlion
Its like fitting a hull repper, your planning to lose. Grow some balls, keep an eye on local and use the scanner people, its much more effective.
Yes, keeping an eye on local and using the scanner will certainly help me win while outnumbered.
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back |
Izo Azlion
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Posted - 2006.03.25 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Zysco
Originally by: Izo Azlion
Its like fitting a hull repper, your planning to lose. Grow some balls, keep an eye on local and use the scanner people, its much more effective.
Yes, keeping an eye on local and using the scanner will certainly help me win while outnumbered.
I didnt say win in that sentence. I said its much more effective. How you interpret and use the information that it gives up is up to you, frankly.
You wont win when you plan to lose. You go in and you go in to win, you go in with intel, knowledge, and courage. Not "oh well, if it doesnt work, i can warp out whatever"
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.25 03:38:00 -
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Edited by: Zysco on 25/03/2006 03:39:08
Please try to explain why i should fit something besides stabs when soloing. I fly a domi.
Lows are
2 large reps, kin/therm hardner IIs, rcu II, 2 stabs.
I hunt Serpentis NPCers in syndicate. I can easilly tank and kill an NPCing BS in this setup. Two stabs allow me to engage NPCers even when they have friends in local. There have been dozens of occasions where my stabs allowed me to kill a guy NPCing with a local full of hostiles, and then warp out when the guys friends show up.
What are you suggesting i fit instead of stabs? Damage mods are worthless since its a nosdom. More of a tank is pointless because I can already easilly kill what I'm fit to kill, NPCers (and the odd multiple cruiser gang). In fact, fitting a heavy tank means that when the guys friends arrive with a 4-5 BS gang with several tacklers, I am now ****** as I can't warp out. Sure I might kill a tackler or 2, or maybe even another BS, but theres no way I can win a 1v4+. And killing ~2 bs and losing my BS is a much worse ratio than killing a BS and surviving.
Fitting stabs makes me more effective a solo hunter than any other possible module in those 2 low slots.
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back |
Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.25 03:41:00 -
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I'd also like to say how I find it hilarious that using stabs while hunting is considered "cowardly," but using a covert ops alt to scout for you while solo hunting isn't.
One completely removes risk. (which is why people whine about stab users).
Guess which it is?
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
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Lady Ariness
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Posted - 2006.03.25 08:56:00 -
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In response to people telling me to bring more scramblers, could you please explain how when:
1) I fly a Brutix. My midslots consist of MWD, web, scram, cap booster. Only way I can add an extra scrambler and not gimp my setup is to add another 20km scrambler instead of a web. 7.5km means if the target has a web they can hold me at 10km and warp anyway. The target will usually have 2x WCS anyway so this tactic will not really work
2) I prefer to hunt solo and it's impossible to get fights with other pirates it seems unless they outnumber you. I know this isn't always true but with the ones around where I live, you'll be lucky if they are in an equal shipclass when they outnumber you too
I'm not saying WCS need to be removed from the game, I just don't see how people can enjoy PvP knowing that they aren't going to die unless the enemy have brought a lot of ships to scramble them in which case they'd most likely die anyway. Sure you get to blow things up and rarely die but then you never get those really close, tense fights. No risk = no reward (read enjoyment)
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Bellum Eternus
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Posted - 2006.03.25 10:37:00 -
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WCS need to be high slot mods and use 2x the CPU they do now. Problem solved.
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2006.03.25 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Zysco
I'd also like to say how I find it hilarious that using stabs while hunting is considered "cowardly," but using a covert ops alt to scout for you while solo hunting isn't.
One completely removes risk. (which is why people whine about stab users).
Guess which it is?
Completely agree
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Fedaykin Naib
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Posted - 2006.03.25 11:09:00 -
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NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you all got it wrong. Everyone needs to start fitting warp core stabs all the time. THEN maybe CCP will do something about it.
Me, I dont ever need to fit warp core stabs because apparently Im smarter than all you that do and never fall into a situation that requires me to have warp core stabs.
"Long Live the Fighters!"
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Niobe
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Posted - 2006.03.25 11:13:00 -
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i have a full rack of WCS, they work. wonderful game .. no lose. |
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