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Malka Badi'a	Posted - 2006.03.25 11:17:00 - [31] My use of WCS is simple: 1.)When to not use WCS: I'm coming to kill you, and I'm either going to tear your heart out with my fingers or die trying. 2.)When to use WCS: I'm transfering minmatar slaves to throw into the EVE wormhole. Can't let all those good sacrafices go to waste. --------------
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.03.25 11:50:00 - [32] Originally by: Liu Kaskakka pussies use wcs, be it pierats or carebears What he said.
Jonathan Davis	Posted - 2006.03.25 12:07:00 - [33] Originally by: Malka Badi'a My use of WCS is simple: 1.)When to not use WCS: I'm coming to kill you, and I'm either going to tear your heart out with my fingers or die trying. 2.)When to use WCS: I'm transfering minmatar slaves to throw into the EVE wormhole. Can't let all those good sacrafices go to waste. Agreed. I can see how some pirates would use WCS, however I dont. If I dont use all my slot for my 'proper' setup there is always the risk I would have to warp out of a fight I would otherwise have won, and as I prefer armour tanking stabs gimp a good proportion of my ships significantly. I only use WCS on non combat ships, such as when I am hauling stuff around, or scouting (I have never needed WCS on a scout ship yet but I can see how they may be neccessary, esp. if i have no cloak). __________________________________________________ Arrrrrr
Soul Shepherd	Posted - 2006.03.25 13:22:00 - [34] I honestly couldn't care less if people use them, be they pirates or NPCers looking to avoid pirates. It's a balance mod that will always be there as long as there are scramblers. The only people in my eyes that could be seen as "Puss**s" for using them are the smalk-talkers that gloat how you couldn't catch them because they are "_ber". Other than that, it's just a mod in a video game IMO. ----------------------------------------------- If something goes wrong, it's because you forgot to shoot a slave....
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.03.25 13:49:00 - [35] Originally by: Gericault m0id Whenever I PvP I'm WCS-less. Your megat just dropped two wcs
Owi	Posted - 2006.03.25 15:50:00 - [36] you also can say : someone who use scramblers are wastin theyre slots :P or a Miner can whine about - why a pvpler is using guns on a ship instead of a mininglaser :P discussions like this are wasted ! - E v E - D r u g d e a l e r - ALTZ Racin Team owi.iam3.de/EvE/altzlogo.gif[/img] Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.25 17:18:00 - [37] Originally by: Fedaykin Naib NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! you all got it wrong. Everyone needs to start fitting warp core stabs all the time. THEN maybe CCP will do something about it. Me, I dont ever need to fit warp core stabs because apparently Im smarter than all you that do and never fall into a situation that requires me to have warp core stabs. You use a covert ops alt. callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back
Celador Nane	Posted - 2006.03.25 17:23:00 - [38] Originally by: Ange1 WCS are such a waste on a combat vessel. If you're going to get caught on the other side of a gate, well sorry but you should have a scout to check for these things and its your own damned fault if a someone scrambles you on the other side. When I commit to an engagement, I do so with the knowledge I may be scrambled and never get out and I'm a Blaster pilot who has to go point blank ranges =P To be honest, it gives the adrenaline rush of PvP that extra sweet taste to it Exactly as i see it, no fun if u can warp out, i pvp for the thrill and safty = no thrill.
Habigor	Posted - 2006.03.25 18:23:00 - [39] Never use wcs. In my humble opinion... wcs' are a waste of slots. Eather have the balls to stay in the fight or be a stab whre. Yes, you know if I mean you CEO the Black Ops "Kill a million you're a conqueror, kill one you're a murderer, go figure" RADIO STATIC*
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.03.25 19:28:00 - [40] I heard there was once this horrible horrible pirate! HE didint mind WCS, as he aproached grom behind, cloakked, without you ever seing him... AND RAMMED YOU FROM BEHIND After that he webbed you and made shure you arent moving to any warpaple objekt. And while the Carebare monkeybash the "WARP WARP FFS WARP" button in grate panick, he finishes his job with little trouble. But moreover, the same pirate got now new toy! He got Fighters, that will follow you to planets, moons (even gankk you inside pos forcfield) Safspots and even gates of hell. The horror... WTB: The Correct DreadÖ
Valdir Mustafar	Posted - 2006.03.25 19:53:00 - [41] Dont use 'em either... might do it when/if i'm moving the goods... ------------------------------------------------ Arr! I stab at thee
Drasked	Posted - 2006.03.25 20:23:00 - [42] You can only blame ccp for making stabs so good, you can't blame the people that take advantage of this.
Odet	Posted - 2006.03.26 07:29:00 - [43] Edited by: Odet on 26/03/2006 07:29:24 It's a proven fact that using wcs makes your balls shrink, and will eventualy make them non existant. edit blocked word. _______I podded a Dev and all I got was this lousy Implant_______ =This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fry.=
tiller	Posted - 2006.03.26 10:27:00 - [44] This thread makes me want to go set fire to kittens. Oh wait, I was doing that last night. click me for free forum smiley tool www.smileypad.com
B0rn2KiLL	Posted - 2006.03.26 11:00:00 - [45] wcs waste lowslots imo, all the pirates me and my corp encoutered who happen to use WCS were killed, WCS were actually the inticing factor that made us chase and bring on our probers fleet, which got them after they logged ofcrs :) --- When It Absolutely Positively Has To Be Desotroyed.
3GG H34D	Posted - 2006.03.26 17:57:00 - [46] pirates that fit wcs, and pvpers in general who want to fight that fit wcs not only gimp their setup - but it forces the ppl who think a fight is to the death to pack an extra scrambler which either gimps a setup or just isnt possible (3 or < mids 4tL). Down with wcs, RABLE RABLE RABLE! ========================================= Think u know 1337?, you dont know nuffink! O_±8+nÅSk*¦u/°÷_˜¦=5ò@Q@Q@M_?ZåñIîbå+T~p(4y+--%£= p(4+iGmZ¦!++ì¦:B¦¦6x+ Ö
captain kikaz	Posted - 2006.03.26 23:46:00 - [47] you try flying around molden heath as a solo pirate and you will see why stabs are of use to solo pirating.I will admit to using them occasionaly,and only on very expensive ships which i refuse to lose to an AP blob squad because they think it's fun to come after one guy with 10 ships. Fact of the matter is they are part of the game adapt,improvise and overcome. please resize your signature graphic to be smaller than 400 pixels in width and smaller than 24,000 bytes in filesize - Jacques KORKY TO THE CORE
Elseix	Posted - 2006.03.27 02:46:00 - [48] WCS should be a hi-slot module. Problem solved, there is nothing wrong w/ the module being in-game but it is obnoxious that some ships can fit 3+ without sacrificing any major components of their setup. As to the original topic: Pirates use WCS about 300% more then anyone else esp on the fringes of empire-space. I'll refrain from making claims about areas I haven't lived in, but it wouldn't surprise me if that is a universal truth.
crom ralphfao	Posted - 2006.03.27 03:38:00 - [49] nothing better to whine about yet? some good reading though.......its been said before, wcs allow people to get away if you are not setup to counter them. if they are getting away, then set up one of your wingmen to counter this frustrating tactic. would you like to see less variation and simpler game play? then keep calling for nerfage instead of using counter tactics. i dont see anything wrong with stabs, but then i dont really use them much......i assume that the problem is that people can get away and then your fun is lessened and theirs is increased?
Berak FalCheran	Posted - 2006.03.27 03:47:00 - [50] Originally by: Liu Kaskakka pussies use wcs, be it pierats or carebears King Liu is right!@# In short: Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.
Gamble Dakota	Posted - 2006.03.27 03:54:00 - [51] I don't use stabs, they screw up my hull tank. HULL TANK FTW. I shot a man in Reno... just to watch him die
Herko Kerghans	Posted - 2006.03.27 04:17:00 - [52] Originally by: Elseix Pirates use WCS about 300% more then... I heard that it was only about 265%? Where did you get such a high figure from? - Barriers - an EVE novel - Chapter #4 released
Lady Ariness	Posted - 2006.03.27 10:12:00 - [53] Originally by: crom ralphfao nothing better to whine about yet? some good reading though.......its been said before, wcs allow people to get away if you are not setup to counter them. if they are getting away, then set up one of your wingmen to counter this frustrating tactic. would you like to see less variation and simpler game play? then keep calling for nerfage instead of using counter tactics. i dont see anything wrong with stabs, but then i dont really use them much......i assume that the problem is that people can get away and then your fun is lessened and theirs is increased? How can I, as a predominantly solo player, change my tactics to accomodate other PvPers who fit WCS?. I have no spare mid-slots on my ship that I can sacrifice wiothout seriously gimping myself whereas I could easily drop a low-slot or two and be safe. Your wingman argument is not really a fair comment - why should it take two people to kill one, especially if you are your opponent are in the same class of ship? PvP shouldn't be about who has the most people but who has the best tactics. Why should an enemy be given a second chance because he sacrificed one of his lowslots which he probably didn't need anyway? Also, removing stabs wouldn't simplify gameplay. All it would do is stop people looking for easy, no-risk kills from PvPing - sure it will stop people from PvPing but what fun is it if your enemy can kill you but you can't kill them? Imagine if everybody always fitted stabs? Then gameplay would be simplified greatly. Do as much damage as you can with multiple ships because your enemy is going to warp out anyway if you don't kill him before he aligns It's earlier morning so I might need to rephrase these later on, I hope they all make sense currently
Inhabitant	Posted - 2006.03.27 10:24:00 - [54] i am a carebear and i like to blob as much as i can! if pirate adapt on this and use stabs, so that i can¦t kill em in my blob, they r lame, because pirates have to be very dumb! can i please have a warpscrambler strenght 25 to stop em attacking my blob, because i needed 3 hours to assemble it and still can¦t kill an ebil piwat? please do it, ohterwise my friends will open up a topic again and again and again and again ....
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.03.27 11:09:00 - [55] I use WCS if I am doing something like escorting a freighter - its no fun being held back at a gate while the rest of the fleet warp away. However, none of my standard PvP fittings EVER feature WCS, and they never will. I don't care about dying, and I hate warping out a fight until its truly over. ------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting. See this thread for further details. www.eve-iss.com
Arthur Guinness	Posted - 2006.03.27 11:23:00 - [56] I love these threads, bit like reading tabloids tbh, full of useless postering but entertaining, as for stabs i use them, its not as if "I" asked CCP to gimp my damage mod stacking and free up slots for them to be used with stabs, and as i recall with that particular stacking nerf only a blind man or a fool couldnt have seen the already high use of stabs becoming even higher, in short live with it, and for those of you who consider yourself to leet to use them i have t2 glass stomachs for sale, at least with them you will be able to see where your going with your heads stuck so far up your own @rses. I didnt want the stacking dam mod nerf but its here now and you know where to point the finger of blame, and on a similar note that dam mod stacking didnt really affect all those gankgeddons much did it. Pointless, pointless, pointless....
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:20:00 - [57] Makes the blackbird the new tackler of choice. :) President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Lady Ariness	Posted - 2006.03.27 17:41:00 - [58] Another thing... Why do people say "They gimp your setup" and think that justifies their use. If they gimped your setup, nobody would ever use them. They put you at a disadvantage maybe but certainly don't gimp your setup.
Berak FalCheran	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:03:00 - [59] Originally by: Lady Ariness Another thing... Why do people say "They gimp your setup" and think that justifies their use. If they gimped your setup, nobody would ever use them. They put you at a disadvantage maybe but certainly don't gimp your setup. QFT. They need to gimp your setup severely. Currently they gimp setups enough for smart people who want to win fights not to use them. But people who plan on running away of course can still fit them, don't matter if you can't tank as well, you can still warp In short: Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.
crom ralphfao	Posted - 2006.03.27 21:59:00 - [60] Originally by: Lady Ariness Originally by: crom ralphfao nothing better to whine about yet? some good reading though.......its been said before, wcs allow people to get away if you are not setup to counter them. if they are getting away, then set up one of your wingmen to counter this frustrating tactic. would you like to see less variation and simpler game play? then keep calling for nerfage instead of using counter tactics. i dont see anything wrong with stabs, but then i dont really use them much......i assume that the problem is that people can get away and then your fun is lessened and theirs is increased? How can I, as a predominantly solo player, change my tactics to accomodate other PvPers who fit WCS?. I have no spare mid-slots on my ship that I can sacrifice wiothout seriously gimping myself whereas I could easily drop a low-slot or two and be safe. Your wingman argument is not really a fair comment - why should it take two people to kill one, especially if you are your opponent are in the same class of ship? PvP shouldn't be about who has the most people but who has the best tactics. Why should an enemy be given a second chance because he sacrificed one of his lowslots which he probably didn't need anyway? Also, removing stabs wouldn't simplify gameplay. All it would do is stop people looking for easy, no-risk kills from PvPing - sure it will stop people from PvPing but what fun is it if your enemy can kill you but you can't kill them? Imagine if everybody always fitted stabs? Then gameplay would be simplified greatly. Do as much damage as you can with multiple ships because your enemy is going to warp out anyway if you don't kill him before he aligns It's earlier morning so I might need to rephrase these later on, I hope they all make sense currently hello ariness, you bring up the only valid point in this argument for altering the wcs modules....."why should i gimp my setup to counter someone elses setup". it all comes down to one thing i guess, will the game gods make a change that balances the game with any setup whatsoever.......or allow modules that provide for escape when fitted and used as intended. the contention is "are wcs being used as intended?", i dont really know........i was going to list some crap about pvp versus traveling, but you have heard all of that already. i just dont like the idea of taking away the wcs, or any mod....to me it is a tactic to use them, just like flying a ship with more drone capacity than others is a tactic and using scramblers is a tactic. i am in a corp of three people and fly solo most of the time, i have fitted wcs only occasionally and have lost a few ships to pvp; i think that if a player such as myself who is running missions mostly, should be able mount wcs to further my particular enjoyment of the game.........here we get into the play style argument; players who pvp are also using wcs to give them the tactical advantage in engagements, leading pvp purists to complain that they cant kill people at will. bottom line......if wcs go, i think that scrams should go too, allowing no one the advantage of forcing or avoiding combat......i dont want that to happen because it will reduce the variety of our experience. new ships will come out, new mods that make old ones obsolete, people will complain one day and rejoice the next..........its early on a tuesday here on the seventh continent, so please understand my fragmented thought process as well. side note....this is my posting alt, if you want to chat in game......"you'll poke your eye out kid","conan's god"

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