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Witchking
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Posted - 2006.03.25 08:08:00 -
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As the UK moves into BST at 2am tonight, I wonder if Eve Time will follow?
Or will it remain the same as GMT ?
If they do intend to keep it at GMT, let's hope none of the severs have the 'Automaticaly adjust clock for daylight saving changes' set as the time sync could be way out 
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Brutor Shaun
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Posted - 2006.03.25 08:11:00 -
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Eve stays at GMT. Iceland time is GMT and they don't use BST.
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.03.25 08:21:00 -
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eve time stays one eve time
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Dimitri Chandler
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Posted - 2006.03.25 08:35:00 -
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GMT is still GMT even though the clocks go forwards in the UK. From tomorrow, the UK is no longer on GMT, but Eve is.
EVERY time this happens someone in Eve needs this explaining to them 900 times over.
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.03.25 08:54:00 -
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as said, EVE time is GMT, entirely independent of BST or whatever.
and as said, every time, theres a thousand people asking why the clock is off, and have to have it explained to them that they do not in fact run on GMT, that the server does, and that the server doesn't adjust.
whats really funny is the ones who argue that GMT is supposed to be changed with daylight savings time like that, 
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Freya Runestone
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Posted - 2006.03.25 10:24:00 -
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there is no seasons in space. no need to change time. no need for a time at all really. :/
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.03.25 10:26:00 -
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I'm staying out of this whole discussion this year. I've tried to explain it over and over and over again every year since EVE was released, and I'm just not doing it anymore. I feel I might go crazy(er) if I try again. 
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Andrue
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Posted - 2006.03.25 10:27:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 25/03/2006 10:27:44
Actually Eve runs on UTC as do servers everywhere. UTC is for all practical purposes the same as GMT. This is because it simplifies adminstration and inter-computer communication. It means the computers don't have to perform endless conversions from time zone to time zone no matter how far apart they are.
In fact every computer used to play this game is running in UTC and will not change their internal clocks either. Instead the operating system will start applying a one hour offset when communicating with the user so that it looks as if it has changed.
You can test this for yourself:Create a file on your disk today and note the date/time stamp. Then, after the clocks change check it again. You'll see that it is different.
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Lord Wamphyri
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Posted - 2006.03.25 10:49:00 -
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Just a small idea - how about a second clock above the first one that displays user's local time? I know I could just look behind me at the clock on the wall, but meh.. I'm lazy 
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M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2006.03.25 10:57:00 -
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Erm... GMT and UTC are pretty much EXACTLY the same thing.
UTC measured from midnight
GMT measured from noon
UTC calculated from a caesium clock + UT1
GMT calculated due to the rotation of the earth and position relative to the sun.
UTC has leap seconds introduced to take account for the slowing of the earths rotation.
Those are the only differences between the damn things.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.03.25 11:07:00 -
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So this daylight savings thingy huh....
Why do we save it and where do we keep it?
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M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2006.03.25 11:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Deja Thoris
So this daylight savings thingy huh....
Why do we save it and where do we keep it?
Worth a giggle :D
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Andrue
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Posted - 2006.03.25 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: M3ta7h3ad
Erm... GMT and UTC are pretty much EXACTLY the same thing.
UTC measured from midnight
GMT measured from noon
UTC calculated from a caesium clock + UT1
GMT calculated due to the rotation of the earth and position relative to the sun.
UTC has leap seconds introduced to take account for the slowing of the earths rotation.
Those are the only differences between the damn things.
And UTC is used for precise scientific and engineering measurements. That means that whilst those difference don't matter to most of us here they do matter to some very important processes.
I was only being precise 
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Mr Gimlet
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Posted - 2006.03.25 11:23:00 -
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Just as an interesting (or maybe not) fact, Austrailia has altered its daylight savings time especially for the Commonwealth games that are going on in Melbourne now.
Because of this computers in Austrailia or dealing with; which are time dependent have had to install a software update to correct the time
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Olsen'Kra
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Posted - 2006.03.25 11:33:00 -
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So DT is at 12:00pm BST tomorrow? I can never remember how to work it out lol?
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Cypherous
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Posted - 2006.03.25 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Olsen'Kra
So DT is at 12:00pm BST tomorrow? I can never remember how to work it out lol?
Yes the DT is shifted later by 1 hour here in the UK, this doesn't actually make any difference to me really as i work during the day anyways :/
Basically from now on if you live in the UK don't trust the time it says on eve for about 6 months :)
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M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2006.03.25 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue
Originally by: M3ta7h3ad
Erm... GMT and UTC are pretty much EXACTLY the same thing.
UTC measured from midnight
GMT measured from noon
UTC calculated from a caesium clock + UT1
GMT calculated due to the rotation of the earth and position relative to the sun.
UTC has leap seconds introduced to take account for the slowing of the earths rotation.
Those are the only differences between the damn things.
And UTC is used for precise scientific and engineering measurements. That means that whilst those difference don't matter to most of us here they do matter to some very important processes.
I was only being precise
lol okay okay
And to the lad who mentioned the commonwealth games... Dave Phelps! Legend... Got Gold for Wales in the 50m Prone smallbore target competition. lol apologies for the random off topic unnecessary info, but dammit he's worked bloody hard for it so he deserves some random off topic praise! :D
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.03.25 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Olsen'Kra
So DT is at 12:00pm BST tomorrow? I can never remember how to work it out lol?
As from 2am tomorrow morning, the EVE clock will be one hour behind British time; so yes. DT is 12 noon till 1pm. It doesn't start at 12:00pm because there's no such THING as 12:00pm, but that's a whole different time-related argument.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2006.03.25 20:17:00 -
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Funnily enough I actually I had no idea the clocks were changing tomorrow. I thought it was next weekend for some reason. Luckily all my clocks and my watch are radio controlled so the first I'd have know was when the Eve clock appeared to be wrong, lol.
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Selki
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Posted - 2006.03.25 20:23:00 -
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Bah, the only time i am concerned with is what time DT is, and seeing as im in a place that doesnt have any of these silly "Daylight Savings" adjustment (I mean what the hell is the point? If its dark, its dark, why upset my body clock for the sake of daylight?) DT is the same as always.
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Cadadon
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Posted - 2006.03.25 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue
Originally by: M3ta7h3ad
Erm... GMT and UTC are pretty much EXACTLY the same thing.
UTC measured from midnight
GMT measured from noon
UTC calculated from a caesium clock + UT1
GMT calculated due to the rotation of the earth and position relative to the sun.
UTC has leap seconds introduced to take account for the slowing of the earths rotation.
Those are the only differences between the damn things.
And UTC is used for precise scientific and engineering measurements. That means that whilst those difference don't matter to most of us here they do matter to some very important processes.
I was only being precise
I always thought the difference was because the Americans got upset that time revolved around England (yes, Greenwich is a place!!) so they made UTC to make themselves feel better. 
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lasarith
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Posted - 2006.03.25 21:14:00 -
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so if the clocks go forward =12pm for down time then
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.03.25 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Selki
Bah, the only time i am concerned with is what time DT is, and seeing as im in a place that doesnt have any of these silly "Daylight Savings" adjustment (I mean what the hell is the point? If its dark, its dark, why upset my body clock for the sake of daylight?) DT is the same as always.
for trivia's sake, and for those who really don't know....
in agricultural settings, (not as much anymore, but in some places still a valid issue) the difference of when dawn is, can be very important for getting animals fed and dealt with properly, since they don't know time, if your always getting up the same clock-time, it'll get to be a problem when they are getting fed an hour later or whatever than they should be.
and when farms were all tended by hand, they needed every bit of daylight they could, so they adjusted the clocks....
(why they didn't just get up an hour earlier WITHOUT changing the clock time... I don't know...)
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Kim Chee
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Posted - 2006.03.26 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue
Edited by: Andrue on 25/03/2006 10:27:44
Actually Eve runs on UTC as do servers everywhere.
*snip*
In fact every computer used to play this game is running in UTC
Actually, computers don't do timezones at all, be they UTC, GMT, EST or whatever. Computers count time as the number of seconds (or microseconds) that have elapsed since a given moment in the past. On UNIX machines, this is Midnight on Jaunary 1st, 1970.
The timestamps on files, devices, whatever are stored in this format (typically a 32-bit integer).
Humans typically don't like to say "It's 1143337238", and would rather see "It's Sat Mar 25 20:40:38 EST 2006"... Hence the UI converts those timestamps back into something that makes sense given your locale settings.
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Chong Li
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Posted - 2006.03.26 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
So this daylight savings thingy huh....
Why do we save it and where do we keep it?
I have it and I keep it in a bottle...I thought Jim Croce's idea was an excellent one and made practical use of it
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Morhon
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Posted - 2006.03.26 02:09:00 -
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cba to read all the posts but....
Greenwich, England has been the home of Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) since 1884. GMT is sometimes called Greenwich Meridian Time because it is measured from the Greenwich Meridian Line at the Royal Observatory in Greenwich. Greenwich is the place from where all time zones are measured.
Clocks Change: Spring Forward & Fall Back (Fall = Autumn)
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GMT remains the same all year around.
Check out the GMT timestamp to see how accurate your computer time is.
The Greenwich Meridian (Prime Meridian or Longitude Zero degrees) marks the starting point of every time zone in the World. GMT is Greenwich Mean (or Meridian) Time is the mean (average) time that the earth takes to rotate from noon-to-noon.
GMT is World Time and the basis of every world time zone which sets the time of day and is at the centre of the time zone map. GMT sets current time or official time around the globe. Most time changes are measured by GMT. Although GMT has been replaced by atomic time (UTC) it is still widely regarded as the correct time for every international time zone.
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Latitude 51¦ 28' 38"N (North of the Equator)
Greenwich Mean Time is international time, the basis of the world time clock. GMT marks precision time and military time (sometimes called Zulu Time). Defines date and time and the exact time. The atomic time clock is adjusted by leap seconds to maintain synchronicity with GMT.
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GAC
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Posted - 2006.03.26 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
I'm staying out of this whole discussion this year. I've tried to explain it over and over and over again every year since EVE was released, and I'm just not doing it anymore. I feel I might go crazy(er) if I try again.
you should have been here the first time this happend about 5 years ago oh what joy that was
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CamMan
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Posted - 2006.03.26 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitri Chandler
GMT is still GMT even though the clocks go forwards in the UK. From tomorrow, the UK is no longer on GMT, but Eve is.
EVERY time this happens someone in Eve needs this explaining to them 900 times over.
Ironic timing, our clocks went backwards one hour in australia today :)
Originally by: Bender
Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
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Rod Steel
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Posted - 2006.03.26 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Olsen'Kra
So DT is at 12:00pm BST tomorrow? I can never remember how to work it out lol?
As from 2am tomorrow morning, the EVE clock will be one hour behind British time; so yes. DT is 12 noon till 1pm. It doesn't start at 12:00pm because there's no such THING as 12:00pm, but that's a whole different time-related argument.
Have to correct you there old chap, 12:00 (or 12:00pm) does exist (midday), it's 12:00am that is non-existant...it goes from 2359 straight to 0001 in that scenario.
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sloany
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Posted - 2006.03.26 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: CamMan
Ironic timing, our clocks went backwards one hour in australia today :)
Are you sure? I thought they moved it back a week due to the Commonwealth games. For the eastern states at least.
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Abraxus
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Posted - 2006.03.26 10:39:00 -
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Whats GMT and whats EVE? 
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.03.26 10:39:00 -
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us aussies have 6 different timezoens where there should be 3. At least the banana republic doesnt have DST its all the same time year round. AUssies will mean what i mean by the banana republic.
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D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.03.26 11:15:00 -
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EVE time is now BST the server is in england it cant magically be 1 hour behind the technicians ,ccp just dont want to confuse the rest of the world.
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Sitri
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Posted - 2006.03.26 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui
EVE time is now BST the server is in england it cant magically be 1 hour behind the technicians ,ccp just dont want to confuse the rest of the world.
No, EVE time is GMT, the UK is in BST
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Lustralis
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Posted - 2006.03.26 11:49:00 -
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So when will downtime be over?
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Spahn X
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Posted - 2006.03.26 12:41:00 -
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http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/franklin3.html
An interesting essay (linked from wikipedia) written by Benjamin Franklin on the the economic factors of DST. Particularly:
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Yet it so happens, that when I speak of this discovery to others, I can easily perceive by their countenances, though they forbear expressing it in words, that they do not quite believe me. One, indeed, who is a learned natural philosopher, has assured me that I must certainly be mistaken as to the circumstance of the light coming into my room; for it being well known, as he says, that there could be no light abroad at that hour, it follows that none could enter from without; and that of consequence, my windows being accidentally left open, instead of letting in the light, had only served to let out the darkness; and he used many ingenious arguments to show me how I might, by that means, have been deceived. I owned that he puzzled me a little, but he did not satisfy me; and the subsequent observations I made, as above mentioned, confirmed me in my first opinion.
This event has given rise in my mind to several serious and important reflections. I considered that, if I had not been awakened so early in the morning, I should have slept six hours longer by the light of the sun, and in exchange have lived six hours the following night by candle-light; and, the latter being a much more expensive light than the former, my love of economy induced me to muster up what little arithmetic I was master of, and to make some calculations, which I shall give you, after observing that utility is, in my opinion the test of value in matters of invention, and that a discovery which can be applied to no use, or is not good for something, is good for nothing.
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Not a terribly easy read, but I found it fascinating.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2006.03.26 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kim Chee
Originally by: Andrue
Edited by: Andrue on 25/03/2006 10:27:44
Actually Eve runs on UTC as do servers everywhere.
*snip*
In fact every computer used to play this game is running in UTC
Actually, computers don't do timezones at all, be they UTC, GMT, EST or whatever. Computers count time as the number of seconds (or microseconds) that have elapsed since a given moment in the past. On UNIX machines, this is Midnight on Jaunary 1st, 1970.
The timestamps on files, devices, whatever are stored in this format (typically a 32-bit integer).
Humans typically don't like to say "It's 1143337238", and would rather see "It's Sat Mar 25 20:40:38 EST 2006"... Hence the UI converts those timestamps back into something that makes sense given your locale settings.
Nice try but wrong. Of /course/ computers 'do' time zones. They have to. A time without a timezone is meaningless. Yes it's true that most of them use <some time interval since some date> but that's a secondary issue.
They still have to deal with time zones. Older operating systems (like MSDOS) just used the local time and that was that. As soon as computers began to be connected together that wasn't good enough. Computers had to put their cards on the table and come clean. A few chose to record the timezone they were working in but that's a PITA. It means converting left right and centre.
Most modern operating systems do what I say and work in UTC internally.
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