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jbob2000
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Posted - 2006.03.26 01:37:00 -
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Take a Kestrel, and give it to a noob.
Primary weapon = missile, but a noob will have a hard time fitting that ship with a full rack of weaponry, and it takes a bit of knowledge to fly it without getting spanked ...
Take a turret frig, and give it to a noob.
Turrets may use less grid/cpu, making fitting easier, but with turrets, you have to watch your optimal and falloff. Missiles, just orbit at any distance and you're set. This is why ships like the crow are so great. They can fire at any range up to the max of thier missile flight range.
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And remember, the Tech 1 missiles were "nerfed" pretty hard, what I did 15 months ago (char with Cal Frig 4 at creation, raise Missile Launcher Op to 2, Standard Missiles to 1, climb in a Kestrel and wtfbbqpwn everything up to 0.3 belt rats while half-asleep) is not possible anymore.
Missiles we're brought closer to turrest with that patch. They then required more skills involved so you couldn't just wtfpwn everything with torps, using no cap, and not having to worry about range. The patch was justified, and imo missiles need to be nerfed further.
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Missile-based Feroxes may be easier to fit and fly than a rail-based Ferox, but you still need a few skills for them to be good.
You will also need alot more skills in order to do more damage with the rails then with the missiles. Also, what is appealing to noobs about missiles is that they dont have to worry about falloff and optimal ranges. You can just sit there and spam missiles and use 100% of your cap for tanking.
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Saying that "any ship whose primary weapon are missiles is a noob ship" is a proof that you've never flown one, from my humble point of view ...
actually, i flew a raven for level 4s before the patch simply because I could tear apart anything i cam into contact with.
Try flying a blaster megathron with the same number of skill points required to fly a torp raven. You simply cannot. The blasters will not track, you will have cap problems using the mwd and the blasters. You're tank will not hold for more then 1 minute.
With little skills, in a torp raven, you can CONSISTANTLY get hits from 300-500 damage on an opposing bs.
With little skills on any turret ship, your hits will range from 50-150.
It takes alot of skill to fly a turret battleship. You actually have to THINK about range instead of just lock, f1,f2,f3,f4...etc. Missile ships are noob ships, plain and simple.
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Aramova
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Posted - 2006.03.26 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Bazman
While on the subject of ships that get little attention...
omfg, that Arazu is the sex...
/signed
Arazu is teh sex
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2006.03.26 02:23:00 -
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You know, I've been wondering something for some time:
Has anyone ever tried a blaster ferox, and how good was it?
-Wrayeth
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Fuujin
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Posted - 2006.03.26 02:29:00 -
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actually, i flew a raven for level 4s before the patch simply because I could tear apart anything i cam into contact with.
Try flying a blaster megathron with the same number of skill points required to fly a torp raven. You simply cannot. The blasters will not track, you will have cap problems using the mwd and the blasters. You're tank will not hold for more then 1 minute.
With little skills, in a torp raven, you can CONSISTANTLY get hits from 300-500 damage on an opposing bs.
With little skills on any turret ship, your hits will range from 50-150.
While i most certainly agree that it can take a lot more skill (both character-wise and player-wise) to fly gun ships I'd have to disagree with your statment that missile ships are n00b ship just because they're really effective for the skill points need to pilot one at a decent level compared with the other battleships.
I enjoy flying gun ships and I enjoy flying missile boats. I don't switch to a gun boat for LVL 4 missions because the raven is effective at what it does.
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2006.03.26 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: Fuujin
While i most certainly agree that it can take a lot more skill (both character-wise and player-wise) to fly gun ships I'd have to disagree with your statment that missile ships are n00b ship just because they're really effective for the skill points need to pilot one at a decent level compared with the other battleships.
I enjoy flying gun ships and I enjoy flying missile boats. I don't switch to a gun boat for LVL 4 missions because the raven is effective at what it does.
That's a personal opinion, and i can't argue with that. But when 50% of the players in eve are using missiles, and when the raven will beat any battleship 1v1 shortrange, that tells you something.
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2006.03.26 04:39:00 -
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<3 <3 <3 <3 for the Brutix. Screw your Feroxes, five medium drones post-Blood (I.E. no drone AI targeting freakouts) and the ability to rep 400+ a cycle make it a mission-running beast. Now if only 200mm rails used about 20 less grid, I'd be totally happy.
I also kinda dig the Prophecy (yay battlechicken!), and maybe with the new passive tanking skills I'd like it more, but the single missile slot always annoyed me.
My mysterious alt (!) will probably get some Ferox and Cyclone flying time in.
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Amancay
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Posted - 2006.03.26 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: jbob2000
Originally by: Fuujin
While i most certainly agree that it can take a lot more skill (both character-wise and player-wise) to fly gun ships I'd have to disagree with your statment that missile ships are n00b ship just because they're really effective for the skill points need to pilot one at a decent level compared with the other battleships.
I enjoy flying gun ships and I enjoy flying missile boats. I don't switch to a gun boat for LVL 4 missions because the raven is effective at what it does.
That's a personal opinion, and i can't argue with that. But when 50% of the players in eve are using missiles, and when the raven will beat any battleship 1v1 shortrange, that tells you something.
True.
That's tell me: "People always take the easier path" = N00b
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SajuurCor
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Posted - 2006.03.26 07:00:00 -
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Prophecy is a mad tank, and can do quite respectable damage depending on setup. Brutix is slightly lacking in grid to do a decent rail setup, and its slow speed and low manuverablity make blasters rather tough, though possible.
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.03.26 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
No no... 3x gang mods, 2x 1600mm plate is very cool setup:P
And about 100m cheaper than a Vulture, and you won't instantly be called primary! 
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Phish1
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Posted - 2006.03.26 11:12:00 -
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never flown one, but the cyclone is sick! (specially with its liddle bro the thrasher kicking frig + destroyer butt!)
look, all ships are good, just depends on your taste.
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Spaced Skunk
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Posted - 2006.03.26 11:49:00 -
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Brutix. No doubt in my mind. Just sucks for fitting though, but still, its a mini-megathron, it owns.
Prophecy is a cool ship though, cant fly it but its a tough nut to *****.
And ferox, probably the best for PVE, for PVP its not that bad at all, not very good solo though. I've fitted my ferox with 5 ion blaster t2s and 2 medium nos, passive tank, MWD, warp jammer, 2 mag stabs and 2 PDUs was very effective, but whats the point when the brutix does it better :)
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StarLite
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Posted - 2006.03.26 12:42:00 -
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I <3 my proph, if only it could MOVE.. Even titans are more agile :P
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Krulla
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Posted - 2006.03.26 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Darpz
brutix>all other bcs and hacs
/end thread
qft
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Jacob Majestic
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Posted - 2006.03.26 13:26:00 -
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Brutix is best PvP BC, Ferox is best PvE, can't we all just get along now?
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Wesley Harding
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Posted - 2006.03.26 13:36:00 -
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The Tier 2 Caldari Battlecruiser will probably be an upted version of the Caracal. A real dedicated missle boat.
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dabster
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Posted - 2006.03.26 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Brutix is best PvP BC, Ferox is best PvE, can't we all just get along now?
No.
Cause it depends where your skills are better 
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.03.26 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
No no... 3x gang mods, 2x 1600mm plate is very cool setup:P
What do you want those plates for? I thought gang mods work from the safespot?
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Voltron
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Posted - 2006.03.26 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Darpz
brutix>all other bcs and hacs
/end thread
Smartbomb > brutix? 
Dual rep tank & good skills > smartbombs
Other than that, Ferox is strictly EW support in my eyes, Brutix is a damage dealer, I'll get back to you on the cyclone I'm gonna give that a go, try and find a good close range setup.
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zoturi
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Posted - 2006.03.26 16:27:00 -
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cyclone FTW 
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NateX
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Posted - 2006.03.26 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Only one I own atm is a Prophecy...
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Linavin
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Posted - 2006.03.26 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
You know, I've been wondering something for some time:
Has anyone ever tried a blaster ferox, and how good was it?
Slow as hell + No damage bonus + only 5 turrets = Pretty bad blaster boat
If it had more turrets I think you could probably pull it off, but 5 just isn't enough especially without a damage bonus
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.03.26 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Brutix is best PvP BC, Ferox is best PvE, can't we all just get along now?
\o/
6-7 heavy launchers + 5% missles dmg per level + 5% resists or missile velocity (or even rof) would be nice.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Caldorous
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Posted - 2006.03.26 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Brutix is best PvP BC, Ferox is best PvE, can't we all just get along now?
\o/
6-7 heavy launchers + 5% missles dmg per level + 5% resists or missile velocity (or even rof) would be nice.
Caldari tier 2 bc anyone? come on... the sum of caldari ship and turret boat is not necessari a bad combination...
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.03.26 21:35:00 -
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the cyclone is one of the best looking ships in eve
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.03.26 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Caldorous
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Brutix is best PvP BC, Ferox is best PvE, can't we all just get along now?
\o/
6-7 heavy launchers + 5% missles dmg per level + 5% resists or missile velocity (or even rof) would be nice.
Caldari tier 2 bc anyone? come on... the sum of caldari ship and turret boat is not necessari a bad combination...
Will be cool. I wonder if Kali will be out in time. Quarter 2 this year means it should arrive within 3 months.
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O'Sirius
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Posted - 2006.03.26 22:07:00 -
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I like the Proph, but mine got owned by an Ishtar 8/
The problem with the Proph is that while its tank is good, its only as good as its Capacity 8/ And its cap gets drained very fast in 1 on 1 fights I've been in.
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K1K1R1K1
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Posted - 2006.04.01 02:46:00 -
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Edited by: K1K1R1K1 on 01/04/2006 02:46:47
Cyclone!!!
I LOVE MA CYCLONE!!!!
Short or long range, can shield tank like a mofo, second best drone bay, great balance between cpu/pwrgrid (second best in both I believe). Overall a very well balanced ship, and true to minmatar ways it's very flexible and requires enough sp to kill a man 5 times over. Oh yea, and its also very easy on the eyes. Anyone try armor tanking with this thing? Leaving 5 med slots for some serious PvP pwnage?
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