Please focus on the part of the post where I said we considered bigger changes because of how people felt about the extended reload in general, but decided to make a tweak and wait for more data and feedback rather than reversing things too quickly.

If you want to help us out on this topic, try to give specific reasons or examples and then just hang in there and watch for updates heading into the next few months.

Also, a small response to the comparison with jamming: I think parts of the experience are obviously the same (not being able to fire for a period of time), but there a lot of other parts to compensate (or at least that is the idea). With RML you get to choose when that period of time will be, you get to control a lot of factors that contribute to how significant that period of time is (how your ship is fit, where you're located in space, what targets you choose etc), and you get the huge benefit of very high front-loaded damage. Not disregarding the fact that not being able to shoot doesn't feel good, just pointing out that they are different situations in some important ways.

A dual paint single rigor HML Caracal using faction missiles applies damage just fine to cruisers

One thing to keep in mind is, is your thorax in your scenario shield fit, or armor fit? If double lse fit with shield rigs, your values are misleading. You will apply close to, if not100% damage with a single tp. If plated, then target velocity is inherently lower due to the added mass, somewhat assisting application. Maybe not as much as the shield fit, but better than a naked thorax with mwd.

I don't think anyone should hold out any hope that missiles will get addressed anytime in the near future. With the mess that is drones and drone assist, I think priorities have shifted. As many have pointed out, there are so many hulls that simply lack RLML bonuses; quite a few Caldari and virtually all Amarr and Minmatar.

So here's a relevant question: Why is it that hybrids, lasers, projectiles and drones all receive bonuses to light, medium and heavy weapon systems - yet missiles continue to get pigeonholed into specific ones? If RLMLs are indeed a "medium" weapon system, why haven't the various ship hulls been updated? ie:

GÇó Tengu: No 10% missile velocity bonus for RLMLs
GÇó Caracal Navy: No 5% explosion radius for RLMLs
GÇó Osprey Navy: No 10% missile velocity for RLMLs
GÇó Drake: No 10% kinetic damage bonus for RLMLs
GÇó Drake Navy: No 10% missile velocity or 5% explosion radius bonuses for RLMLs
GÇó Nighthawk: No 7.5% kinetic damage, no 7.5% rate of fire or 5% explosion radius bonuses for RLMLs
GÇó Cyclone: No 5% rate of fire for RLMLs
GÇó Loki: Honestly, this is such a mess I don't even know where to startGǪ
GÇó Claymore: No 5% rate of fire or 5% explosion velocity bonuses for RLMLs
GÇó Damnation: No 10% missile velocity or 10% missile damage bonuses for RLMLs

This isn't an exhaustive list and I'm sure I've missed a few.

An RLML Drake with a 10% per level light missile kinetic damage bonus would do:

C. Navy Scorge:
Sustained: 300 dps (+ 99 dps from Hob II's)
Burst: 450 dps (+ 99 dps from Hob II's)

Scorge Fury:
Sustained: 350 dps (+drones)
Burst: 500 dps (+drones)


Seems okay. Can I haz please?

Read it again. Rapid light launchers, heavy launchers and heavy assault launchers are all medium-sized weapons. Just as heavy electron, ion and neutron blasters and dual 150mm, 200mm and 250mm rail guns are all medium-sized weapons. It would be like arguing that electron blasters have better tracking but less DPS, so they should be excluded from receiving any hull tracking bonuses.

Several Amarr and Blood Angel hulls receive neutralizer bonuses (Ashimmu, LegionGǪ) and every race has at least one frigate class that receives salvage bonuses (in addition to strategic cruisers, NoctisGǪ) I'm not exactly sure how these relate to the discussion, though - and it still doesn't change the fact that turret-based hulls don't differentiate between individual weapon types, ie: when you get a +25% medium energy weapon bonus, it applies to all medium lasers.

Based on the gallente frigate lineup, which represent a sort of middle ground in terms of sig/speed, faction light missiles apply the following proportions of their raw damage to different MWD frigate targets:

Interceptor: 35% (15% if the inty overloads its mwd)
AF: 63%
Attack frigate: 65%
Ewar frigate: 75%
Combat frigate: 81% (63% if the combat frig overloads its mwd)
Logi frigate: 86%
EAF: 86%

LM ships have substantially lower dps than comparable frigate sized LR setups and their damage is much easier to mitigate since all you have to do is switch on your prop mod and move in any direction you like. What exactly is so overpowered here? I know lowsec guys who want to do nothing but roll around in AB-only brawling frigates hate being kited to death by condors, but that's just whining about having your gimmick fit dumpstered by a hard counter rather than being indicative of any broader imbalance.

Balance-wise, rapid light missile launchers do less DPS than heavy and heavy assault missiles - even if the bonuses were extended to them.