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Vestalia Gaea
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Posted - 2006.03.28 17:49:00 -
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There will be no 30 v 30.
Simply put, VC will use all possible methods (words are the only method they can use) to avoid the fight.
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Cerridwehn Odessa
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Posted - 2006.03.28 17:57:00 -
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That interview has got to be one of the nerdiest things i've ever seen an eve player say.
Yes, contorl all of 0.0. Good luck. Only way that will happen is if you force every 0.0 alliance to join the BoB alliance, then you can say you control the eve verse.. lol.. otherwise.. I don't think you will want to spread yourself around the whole universe so thin-like. Won't really accomplish much other then have a few gank squads roaming around every region and then logging off cuz the "old inhabitants" that sitll live there will blob you to bananas.
Of course, most of BoB could be grumpy young men with no job/school/life and can afford to mine all day on their alts and then pvp on the other and make EvE their real life and social life.. i don tthink the other players of the verse could compete with that.
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Exelsior
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Cerridwehn Odessa
Of course, most of BoB could be grumpy young men with no job/school/life and can afford to mine all day on their alts and then pvp on the other and make EvE their real life and social life.. i don tthink the other players of the verse could compete with that.
There's nothing even remotely respectable in what you said here. Bringing in RL issues especially when you have no possible reliable data is lame.
Have you talked to each of the 1000 or so BoB members IRL? Have you seen their daily schedule? Do you even know them at all?
I can understand bitterness for past losses in-game.
I can understand that this bitterness will blind you.
But one thing i can't understand is when this starts touching on RL. If you can't compete with BoB, there's probably a better reason than them having more time for EvE than you (if they do).
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Rohann
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:15:00 -
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Edited by: Rohann on 28/03/2006 18:16:15
Quote:
That interview has got to be one of the nerdiest things i've ever seen an eve player say.
Yes, contorl all of 0.0. Good luck. Only way that will happen is if you force every 0.0 alliance to join the BoB alliance, then you can say you control the eve verse.. lol.. otherwise.. I don't think you will want to spread yourself around the whole universe so thin-like. Won't really accomplish much other then have a few gank squads roaming around every region and then logging off cuz the "old inhabitants" that sitll live there will blob you to bananas.
Of course, most of BoB could be grumpy young men with no job/school/life and can afford to mine all day on their alts and then pvp on the other and make EvE their real life and social life.. i don tthink the other players of the verse could compete with that.
That is correct. We are all 70 year old doods with nothing better to do but mine and kick ur ass.
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Exelsior
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Rohann
Originally by: Exelsior
Originally by: Cerridwehn Odessa
Of course, most of BoB could be grumpy young men with no job/school/life and can afford to mine all day on their alts and then pvp on the other and make EvE their real life and social life.. i don tthink the other players of the verse could compete with that.
There's nothing even remotely respectable in what you said here. Bringing in RL issues especially when you have no possible reliable data is lame.
Have you talked to each of the 1000 or so BoB members IRL? Have you seen their daily schedule? Do you even know them at all?
I can understand bitterness for past losses in-game.
I can understand that this bitterness will blind you.
But one thing i can't understand is when this starts touching on RL. If you can't compete with BoB, there's probably a better reason than them having more time for EvE than you (if they do).
That is correct. We are all 70 year old doods with nothing better to do but mine and kick ur ass.
If you put it that way 
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Rohann
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:18:00 -
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lol meant to quote the person before you
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BadManEdmundo
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Cerridwehn Odessa
Of course, most of BoB could be grumpy young men with no job/school/life
How did you know?
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Alasse Cuthalion
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
Your pilots
Safespot
Log
cloak
Dock
And run
Now now stabwash, the difference between us is you use all of those tactics to bore the enemy in to leaving
Just as you did in your fights with Fountain and Imperium sat in your POS.
The game has advanced now POS are not the defenceive position they once were, but it does not change the fact you used hiding and boredom tactics against alliances you have defeated in the past. Whilst accusing us of being a lesser alliance for now using the same tactics.
lol, you really are clueless, it used to be annoying just how inept and wrong you could be but now it's just amusing.
Virtually clueless for sure.
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Weco
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Dont get what the big deal is. There is nothing wrong in a mutually beneficial relationship with people, regardless of who they are.
Maybe im way off the mark..
Think your are way off Eye.
As I understood jamesw question it was something like "Why NAP someone whose goal is to control everyone, including you.".
BoB are excellent PvPers, and that is reason enough for me to wanna fight them hehe
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Jonis Sinmaker
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: KSUDruid
Edited by: KSUDruid on 28/03/2006 06:50:13
Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
Promise me Bob don't run and hide
Promise me Bob don't safespot
Promise me Bob don't cloak
Promise me Bob don't dock
Don't wriggle or squerm just promise me these things, say you don't do the things you accuse us of, without excuseing or providing reason for your actions.
Deal.
You get 30 of your best guys. I'll get 30 of my best guys. No running, no hiding, no safespotting, no cloaking, no docking. You stand until either all 30 of us are dead, or all 30 of you are dead.
Do this and I will never EVER badmouth you Mr. Stabwash and your band of merry snip again.
I expect a convo ingame shortly to setup a time and place.
sounds like good times to be had by all
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Kurenin
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Posted - 2006.03.28 19:07:00 -
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I'm more than bored with this type of thread now.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2006.03.28 19:08:00 -
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BOB is
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Mistress Suffering
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Posted - 2006.03.28 19:17:00 -
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BoB has left themselves exposed by agreeing to the 30v30 battle. All you need to do is define the engagement a bit more carefully to ensure it is not a test of industrial might, but of PvP skill.
30v30 - no capital ships (losing to BoB pulling out a bunch of carriers just proves they out-finance you).
And there's your opening. Make the rules public, get a fat crowd of onlookers to keep them from having outside support, and poof, you're ready to go.
Everything beyond that point is opportunity. Fight well and your alliance gains respect (even with a lose). Beat them, and you've got a giant bag of bragging rights to flout.
Its purely a win opportunity. BoB is already the favorite, so a win for them gains little. Use this. If your PvP skills are strong, there is much face to be gained here.
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Ab Initio
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Posted - 2006.03.28 19:23:00 -
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Just an observation...
1. Claims the thread isn't trolling.
2. People from the relevant alliances respond.
3. People from BoB respond.
4. VC respond to BoB posts..
If it was anything but flame bait, you may want to adleast feign interest in the relevant posts.
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Shimpu
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Posted - 2006.03.28 19:32:00 -
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I would love to see a 30 vs 30 fight of VC vs BoB. Both have awesome pilots! It'll be better than the interstellar championship \o/
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Alexison
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Posted - 2006.03.28 19:34:00 -
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I would love to see a 30vs30 but since its VC it will NEVER happen.
HAHA HA HA ha Ha Ah looool gg vc
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2006.03.28 19:44:00 -
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Edited by: Raem Civrie on 28/03/2006 19:44:11
The real question Jamesw was trying to pose is this;
"How can you, as an alliance that wants to be taken seriously, justify becoming puppets of another alliance?"
BoB are building up a host of buffer alliances around their core territories, just like FA did. It's empire-building and diplomatic manipulation. It's also valid.
As I see it, james never asked for an answer from BoB. The question wasn't even directed at them. It was directed at all those buffer alliances that sold their soul for a little security. The alliances that have little or no sovereign, whose foreign policy, maybe even much of their internal policy is dependant on their "parent" alliance.
In the end, I suspect the most common answer given will be "We were afraid of BoB".
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Ku'Gras
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Posted - 2006.03.28 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie
The alliances that have little or no sovereign, whose foreign policy, maybe even much of their internal policy is dependant on their "parent" alliance.
we even dictate internal policy's now?
Do we get to approve all new members of said alliances and corporations also?
I had no idea we had that much fun.
jokes aside we already own all of 0.0. VC are the only independent ones left. All conflicts in 0.0 are a fake to keep empire dwellers to believe otherwise and get something on the newspage.
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Exelsior
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Posted - 2006.03.28 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: Exelsior on 28/03/2006 20:08:31
Originally by: Ku'Gras
Originally by: Raem Civrie
The alliances that have little or no sovereign, whose foreign policy, maybe even much of their internal policy is dependant on their "parent" alliance.
we even dictate internal policy's now?
Do we get to approve all new members of said alliances and corporations also?
I had no idea we had that much fun.
jokes aside we already own all of 0.0. VC are the only independent ones left. All conflicts in 0.0 are a fake to keep empire dwellers to believe otherwise and get something on the newspage.
Then how come it took you 3 days of spying on me to find out i was in your cookie pot and had eaten several of those bigger ones???
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.03.28 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Mistress Suffering
BoB has left themselves exposed by agreeing to the 30v30 battle. All you need to do is define the engagement a bit more carefully to ensure it is not a test of industrial might, but of PvP skill.
Unfortunately it ain't up to me, perhaps Caldari state can increase the size of the championship this year? If they were to do so, I'd go with:
10 bs, 10 cruisers, 10 frigates.
Tech 2 allowed, no faction or officer mods.
No faction ships.
No capital ships.
No ewar.
No mwd.
Last man standing wins.
Podding is allowed.
200km radius arena of battle.
Originally by: Mistress Suffering
Its purely a win opportunity. BoB is already the favorite, so a win for them gains little. Use this. If your PvP skills are strong, there is much face to be gained here.
Another amazing example of how misunderstood we are, and why it will still take the denizens of eve at least another year and half to even come close to hitting at what makes us tick - and until you do, we're laughing - and WHEN you do, we're laughing even more.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.03.28 20:11:00 -
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they either want to
1) control the entire of EVE - winning or losing a 30v30 doesn't really matter
or
2) see how much attention they get before getting bored and disbanding because everyone is too scared to bring a fleet down
Originally by: Tuxford
we look at them say "wow autocannons sure do suck,... oh well lets go boost amarr".
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2006.03.28 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie
As I see it, james never asked for an answer from BoB. The question wasn't even directed at them. It was directed at all those buffer alliances that sold their soul for a little security. The alliances that have little or no sovereign, whose foreign policy, maybe even much of their internal policy is dependant on their "parent" alliance.
In the end, I suspect the most common answer given will be "We were afraid of BoB".
BOB have no control or influence over the MC (i cant speak for Xelas etc obviously). It was mutually beneficial agreement between both parties.
Respect goes a long way in this game. Perhaps if people would realise that and earn some for themselves, they could progress in the game rather than the current crop of ganking alliances that seem to exist in the south.
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Coug
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Posted - 2006.03.28 21:16:00 -
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Respect is completely subjective though. I value honesty, effort and sportsmanship above all else. Those who show that earn my respect. I'm sure everyone here would have different definitions.
Telling me I'm blueskinned doesn't make it truth. Telling me that I'm weak doesn't make it truth. Here is the key though; much like I don't care about your categorizations of respect, I don't care if you have none for me under your definition. I make judgements based on my own criteria, no one elses.
Thus the derision. If the act of ridicule gains respect in your circles, then more power to you. I cannot say that is something I value in a person.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.03.28 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Hllaxiu on 28/03/2006 21:28:18
Originally by: Dianabolic
Unfortunately it ain't up to me, perhaps Caldari state can increase the size of the championship this year? If they were to do so, I'd go with:
10 bs, 10 cruisers, 10 frigates.
Tech 2 allowed, no faction or officer mods.
No faction ships.
No capital ships.
No ewar.
No mwd.
Last man standing wins.
Podding is allowed.
200km radius arena of battle.
Win or lose, that would be the coolest thing ever. Just ensure that thats the ONLY THING ON THE NODE at the time, and the "crap" is kept to a minimum. Every moderator, GM, person vaguely associated with eve-radio and etc shouldn't be on grid lagging things up. (This is very important for a 30vs30 battle)
Two things:
1. I'd love to be able to use gang modules (ie battlecruisers)
2. Can't agree with no MWD - there'd be no use for short range ships at all...
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.03.29 00:05:00 -
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ud need mwds on frigs
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Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.03.29 00:35:00 -
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Speed = hax.
Hey, if u guys want it, works for me, but speed != skill.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.03.29 00:43:00 -
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well BOB u see have been sucked into this thread well their main forum 23 members have anyway. They are such good political manipulators that they wont be leaving delve in a hurry.
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CamMan
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Posted - 2006.03.29 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
Originally by: KSUDruid
Promise me right here that you'll actually stand up and fight for what you want, stand and not yield, not run and hide, not safespot, cloak, dock, and then tell us how you "Don't give the enemy what they want"
Promise me Bob don't run and hide
Promise me Bob don't safespot
Promise me Bob don't cloak
Promise me Bob don't dock
Don't wriggle or squerm just promise me these things, say you don't do the things you accuse us of, without excuseing or providing reason for your actions.
I know that it is against evol and RKK policy to fit WCS! so if we are scrambled we can not run and we will not ever hide. (more then can be said for you cpt stabwash).
if there is a hostile force entering our space we will never hide, we will mount up a challenge.
covert ops always cloak! sniping, cloakers is one of the most boring things to do in game, and we will never do it.
BoB always dock to change ship or reload on ammo, but that is it, i have personally never seen any BoB member dock for safety reasons.
does this answer your questions capt stabwash?
Originally by: Bender
Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
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Emno
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Posted - 2006.03.29 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: CamMan
covert ops always cloak! sniping, cloakers is one of the most boring things to do in game, and we will never do it.
wait so you never use a cloaked covert ops?
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2006.03.29 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ku'Gras
we even dictate internal policy's now?
Do we get to approve all new members of said alliances and corporations also?
I had no idea we had that much fun.
jokes aside we already own all of 0.0. VC are the only independent ones left. All conflicts in 0.0 are a fake to keep empire dwellers to believe otherwise and get something on the newspage.
Would you tolerate a buffer, puppet alliance with internal policies that go against your interests? That's what I meant.
Originally by: Eyeshadow
BOB have no control or influence over the MC (i cant speak for Xelas etc obviously). It was mutually beneficial agreement between both parties.
Respect goes a long way in this game. Perhaps if people would realise that and earn some for themselves, they could progress in the game rather than the current crop of ganking alliances that seem to exist in the south.
MC are not a buffer alliance. As I understood it, you guys try to be politically neutral, much like ISS.
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