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Boonaki	Posted - 2006.04.03 11:56:00 - [61] So... Who's looking forward to tech 2 battleships when they come out? 2 bil a pop should be fun. Fear the Ibis of doom.
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.04.03 11:56:00 - [62] Edited by: LWMaverick on 03/04/2006 11:56:32 Originally by: Clan Chief Originally by: Darpz they can be beat down by BCs and BS, they insanely expensive. to me i'd rather fly a tech 2 fitted cruiser and lose it 10 times over and still getting many more quality kills than I could get in a hac. or fly a BC and be able to kill any hac I come across. Hacs were a cool tool back when they were 80M and BCs suck but now it just seems stupid HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I've eaten BattleCruisers and fought Battleships to a standstill... Where did you get your HAC? EBAY? 2 Years on the forum, i should by now have seen it all, but people still suprise me with their stupidity. A well fitted propechy will without doubt tear through most hac's, and if not killing them, then at least tank long enough to jump through a gate, warp away or someting like that. Hac's are great, dont get me wrong, and yes they can eat Bc's and bs's.. But 80% of the people flying bc's are very "newbie'ish", so thats probably the reason why people aren't usually seeing them as a thread. /Mav
Bazman	Posted - 2006.04.03 13:01:00 - [63] Originally by: Boonaki So... Who's looking forward to tech 2 battleships when they come out? 2 bil a pop should be fun. I want a T2 megathron, but when they come out at like 1.5 bil a pop, there will simply be no point I don't wanna grind npc's for a month per pvp ship i buy that will die after like 3 days. [old fart mode] BAck in the day, stuff cost less......[/old fart mode] ----- Hi TomB! All out Do or Die Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
Slink Grinsdikild	Posted - 2006.04.03 14:10:00 - [64] BC vs HAC, the signature radius doesn't really matter so it comes down to player skill/skillpoints. When ECM gets nerfed the Brutix will pwn Ishtars 1v1, Nos/AC Cyclone rips Deimos apart and makes Vagabonds run and i've heard good things about the Proph too. In every day PvP, Battlecruisers are 90% as effective as HACs for 1/6th the cost.. thats without factoring in insurance payout.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.04.03 14:25:00 - [65] Please no more crying. Havent you guys seen the trend? Everytime, there is a HAC crying thread, the prices of HACs increase. Honest... ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Toksin	Posted - 2006.04.03 14:38:00 - [66] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Please no more crying. Havent you guys seen the trend? Everytime, there is a HAC crying thread, the prices of HACs increase. Honest... Can I have a corpse of yours? --------------- My views do not reflect the views of my corp, or my own views.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.04.03 14:52:00 - [67] Originally by: Toksin Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Please no more crying. Havent you guys seen the trend? Everytime, there is a HAC crying thread, the prices of HACs increase. Honest... Can I have a corpse of yours? EEEEwwwwwwwwww... disgusting. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Matrices Sunbound	Posted - 2006.04.03 14:59:00 - [68] I honestly tend to doubt HAC are much better than BC, the fundamental problem is that HAC pilots on average probably have 10 million more SP than a BC pilot. In some cases, though, like mine, I'm not quite sure: if you need to web and scram a HAC you're going to be screwed in a Cyclone, which shield tanks. How am I going to kill a HAC with no tank? And in the case of a Vagabond, which probably does the least damage of any HAC, it can kite a Cyclone by using T2 ammo plus natural bonuses for 20km AC range. I like my Cyclone a lot but PVP is inherently biased against shield-tanking ships; I think if I came across a HAC the best I could do is survive for a few minutes.
Valea Silpha	Posted - 2006.04.03 15:07:00 - [69] The vaga does pretty sick damage actually. Its only a shade behind the zealot if i remember the last comparison. However, BCs and HACs are around equal in my book. I've seen plenty of HAC/BC fights that ended in a stalemate with the HAc eventually withdrawing when they can't break the BCs tank fast enough.
Atom HeartMother	Posted - 2006.04.03 15:27:00 - [70] i feel i should say Large energy Nutralizers to people who wonder how hacs can lose to a bs Originally by: Bonaventure Augustus Because lets be honest, the number of people who play this game drunk on the weekends is astounding.
Mather Maelstrom	Posted - 2006.04.03 15:31:00 - [71] IMO AF and HAC all need some serious love. For the amount of skillpoints you need to invest in a HAC and the price you have to buy them at; the ship doesn't do anything special @ all. 1. Improve the ships espeially the deimos. 2. Fix the t2 market. //No Pro Gallente RP, no Coreli & Cyrene anymore\\
Pac SubCom	Posted - 2006.04.03 15:52:00 - [72] The bpo owners increase prices because they know the days when they could set their price anyway they like are coming to an end. At least, they should know ... ----------------------------------- Kiss me I'm noob
Gimmie HACs	Posted - 2006.04.03 15:56:00 - [73] Originally by: Pac SubCom The bpo owners increase prices because they know the days when they could set their price anyway they like are coming to an end. At least, they should know ... kali will be out by the end of the year, earliest. that gives them, ooo 8 more months of price gauging?
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.04.03 16:08:00 - [74] Originally by: Pac SubCom The bpo owners increase prices because they know the days when they could set their price anyway they like are coming to an end. At least, they should know ... K .. You do know that the prices are controlled by supply/demand right?.. and greedy resellers.. not the producers. Take naga is an example.. they sell fairly cheap hac's, but 90% of the hacs they sell are being put'd on the market again after being bought, just at a much higher price(resellers).. Would you sell hac's for 60m if you knew that some idiot would buy them all, and put them on market 20seconds later for double the price, and still be able to sell them?..
Dash Ripcock	Posted - 2006.04.03 16:12:00 - [75] It really is so simple. Suppliers charge the prices they do because every time they build a new HAC, there is always someone willing to spend that amount of money to have it. Prices will only ever drop if the suppliers end up with HACs sitting on the shelves not being sold. Then they'll lower prices to get rid of them. They'll still have decent markup. The main issue is that there are finite number of BPOs, a finite number of suppliers and a finite amount of HACs one can build at any one time. Meanwhile, the number of people with the skills and cash to fly one increases every day. Save The Deimos
Crellion	Posted - 2006.04.03 16:22:00 - [76] Originally by: Clan Chief Originally by: Darpz they can be beat down by BCs and BS, they insanely expensive. to me i'd rather fly a tech 2 fitted cruiser and lose it 10 times over and still getting many more quality kills than I could get in a hac. or fly a BC and be able to kill any hac I come across. Hacs were a cool tool back when they were 80M and BCs suck but now it just seems stupid HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I've eaten BattleCruisers and fought Battleships to a standstill... Where did you get your HAC? EBAY? I didnt know people like you played eve ... i thought they were all in WoW... not to mention u r actually wrong also... BCs are flown by peeps with 400ksp and 40 mill SP if you meet one in the high end only thing that can save ur poor HAC is : (a) speed to run away (Vaga) (b) natural resists to his particular weapons and immunity to NOS (Ishtar - Cerb more or less when against Brutix for example) (c) he is a member of ur gang/ally/corp/NAP
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.04.03 16:28:00 - [77] Summary... T2 skills, T1 mindset. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Uggster	Posted - 2006.04.03 16:28:00 - [78] Originally by: SiLeNCel2 the problem is that people are training several month for HACs, just to see that their prices have doubled since the day they have started training........ The REAL problem is that there are just to many POOR people in eve. Yes POOR. Say it to yourself as you write a HAC price moan Pooooooooorrrrrr.... Call them Pikeies Call them Trailer Trash Call them Kennys It ammounts to the same thing....they whine about the price of stuff. HAC's, T2 gear, Cap ships, Skills, etcetcetc.... Here's a novel one....If you dont like the price dont buy it ! There we go, didnt think of that one huh ? See how all your worries are now gone ? Good. Now STFU about the price of HAC's.
Gimmie HACs	Posted - 2006.04.03 16:30:00 - [79] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Summary... T2 skills, T1 mindset. says she with a vagabond bpo
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2006.04.03 16:45:00 - [80] Originally by: Shaelin Corpius Edited by: Shaelin Corpius on 29/03/2006 22:11:35 Can you solo 10/10 Complexes with a domi. Well more than likely no. Ishtar. Yes. Comedy gold You can't solo even a 6/10 complex. You need to be able to a) tank the entire complex b) do around 1000 dps to kill the overseers. Don't believe me? check out the database for 'Overseer Skomoner Effotber'. That is the final overseer you get in a Sansha's 6/10. ---------- - Office Linebacker -
Uggster	Posted - 2006.04.03 16:49:00 - [81] Originally by: Gabriel Karade Originally by: Shaelin Corpius Edited by: Shaelin Corpius on 29/03/2006 22:11:35 Can you solo 10/10 Complexes with a domi. Well more than likely no. Ishtar. Yes. Comedy gold You can't solo even a 6/10 complex. You need to be able to a) tank the entire complex b) do around 1000 dps to kill the overseers. Don't believe me? check out the database for 'Overseer Skomoner Effotber'. That is the final overseer you get in a Sansha's 6/10. Yes you can.
Octavio Santillian	Posted - 2006.04.03 16:54:00 - [82] Originally by: Testy Mctest Vagabonds are worth flying, if you can afford them. The rest are toys. QFT Vags are true heavy tacklers; they fill a niche that essentially no other ship can. There is a real reason to fly this ship. The rest are good ships of varying quality, but can be bested by other ships at a fraction of the price. PS To all those arguing that HACs kill BSs, put the ***** pipe down. Sure, it happens, but any BS pilot with a clue (i.e not flying a fleet setup alone in zero or something stupid like that), should easily eat HACs. Heck I killed a Vag and an Ishtar, both T2 fitted, in my Autopest the other day (a friend showed up to add some firepower after I had already killed the Vag). You can check the kill mails on Battleclinic. Of course, that story is anecdotal evidence and doesnÆt æproveÆ anything, but the people who think that HACs own BSs are basing that on their own experiences of killing ill-fit or noob piloted BSs.
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2006.04.03 17:06:00 - [83] Originally by: Uggster Originally by: Gabriel Karade Originally by: Shaelin Corpius Edited by: Shaelin Corpius on 29/03/2006 22:11:35 Can you solo 10/10 Complexes with a domi. Well more than likely no. Ishtar. Yes. Comedy gold You can't solo even a 6/10 complex. You need to be able to a) tank the entire complex b) do around 1000 dps to kill the overseers. Don't believe me? check out the database for 'Overseer Skomoner Effotber'. That is the final overseer you get in a Sansha's 6/10. Yes you can. Oh wise guy, how do you solo the complex and the Overseers? You cannot do 1000dps AND tank. ---------- - Office Linebacker -
Lord Spidey	Posted - 2006.04.03 17:11:00 - [84] Tonight 2 Vagas Got roasted by my Ferox bc's ftw
Karazaan	Posted - 2006.04.03 17:28:00 - [85] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire This again...? 1. HACs have nicer skins. 2. HACs are mini battleships. 3. HACs are almost solo pwnmobiles. 4. HACs are sexy. 5. HACs are status objects. Oh nice Stabber. Check out my latest toy, a Vagabond! 6. HACs gives psychological "I win button" againsts the enemies. [...] You forgot the most important one... 7. HACs are so blowing up all over the place that producers simply can't keep up producing them! Talk about hype... So, the only solution to lower their price would be for CCP to seriously un-nerf them. See what marketing can do, high price for mediocre products and the consumers always want more of it.
Sangxianc	Posted - 2006.04.03 18:10:00 - [86] Well, there are a few reasons why I fly Heavy Assault Ships. Back when I played more actively, Battlecruisers were basically crappy, especially the Brutix (this was before the battlecruiser boosts). This meant that the most effect solo combat ships for a Gallente support specialist like me were the HACs, and as a result I never bothered to train the Battlecruiser skills, however I did take Heavy Assault Ships to lvl 5. Then Battlecruisers were boosted and recently Command Ships were introduced, adding another incentive to train for Battlecruisers. However, I just started training for a Carrier (a lot of training for someone who didn't even have Battleship lvl 1 beforehand), and for me, that overrides all other considerations. I really want a Thanatos. So, somewhat bizarrely, for me it's mainly that I don't have time to train that Battlecruiser skill up to a respectable level. I think for someone who was just starting, I'd recommend training for a Battlecruiser instead since they're pretty capable on the whole. Nowadays, the main bonus that HACs have over their chubby but cheap counterparts is the label. - Do not deny yourself experience of that which lies beyond, behind the sun, in the world they call unpeopled.
Centurin	Posted - 2006.04.03 18:30:00 - [87] The only advantage HACs have is agility. Slap a t2 mwd on a HAC and you're going over 4.5k m/s. Other than that, they are just expensive toys that have passed their prime.
Nifel	Posted - 2006.04.03 19:42:00 - [88] Originally by: Centurin The only advantage HACs have is agility. Slap a t2 mwd on a HAC and you're going over 4.5k m/s. Other than that, they are just expensive toys that have passed their prime. Only true for the vagabond. And the stabber does the same speed (ultimately unsustainable though). The reason HACs are good are a) cruisers sized, b) 4 bonuses, c) resists. "We wield swords for the sound of laughter that used to be there long ago." RKK Ranking: (MIN13) Jata
Uggster	Posted - 2006.04.03 20:07:00 - [89] Originally by: Gabriel Karade Originally by: Uggster Originally by: Gabriel Karade Originally by: Shaelin Corpius Edited by: Shaelin Corpius on 29/03/2006 22:11:35 Can you solo 10/10 Complexes with a domi. Well more than likely no. Ishtar. Yes. Comedy gold You can't solo even a 6/10 complex. You need to be able to a) tank the entire complex b) do around 1000 dps to kill the overseers. Don't believe me? check out the database for 'Overseer Skomoner Effotber'. That is the final overseer you get in a Sansha's 6/10. Yes you can. Oh wise guy, how do you solo the complex and the Overseers? You cannot do 1000dps AND tank. A friend and corpmate of mine solos complexs. However it's not in an Ishtar cos he cant do the nessersery damage. They are soloable though with the right set up. And thx for the wise guy image, I always kinda fancied myself as a bit of a Rob Lowe.
Cpt Abestos	Posted - 2006.04.03 21:33:00 - [90] Originally by: Gabriel Karade Originally by: Shaelin Corpius Edited by: Shaelin Corpius on 29/03/2006 22:11:35 Can you solo 10/10 Complexes with a domi. Well more than likely no. Ishtar. Yes. Comedy gold You can't solo even a 6/10 complex. You need to be able to a) tank the entire complex b) do around 1000 dps to kill the overseers. Don't believe me? check out the database for 'Overseer Skomoner Effotber'. That is the final overseer you get in a Sansha's 6/10. And the sanshas 6/10 requires more dmg output than both the 7/10 and 8/10 angel plexes. Incase you werent aware the difficutly of the plexes donesnt really follow the ded rating.

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