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lavanina
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Posted - 2006.03.29 16:20:00 -
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as said above id like a general discussion about corp thieving and if something is done by ccp about it if it happens ? if not then why ?
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lavanina
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Posted - 2006.03.29 16:25:00 -
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also i wonder is it not against ccp rules to steal from corps and their hard earned stuff?
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.03.29 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 29/03/2006 16:27:56
Corp thieving as in ifiltrating a corporation with a character and after some time abusing the trust and access given to you in any way that remains ingame and does not involve theft/abuse of out of game shared infrastructure ?
No, CCP won't do anything when someones robs your corp hangars no.
Why not ?
-Because they feel it's part of the game.
The big downside/ imbalance in it all ?
-Alts and how you are unable to trace their mains and apply consequence to action.
Ways to prevent it ?
-Don't trust people unless you feel you know them, and even then only trust them with what you can afford to lose.
edit: That's about all there's to be said about it tbh. It won't change, altho asking for better tools to secure yur corp against them is very valid.
Just don't expect it to become impossible/punishable by CCP, it won't.
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Kylania
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Posted - 2006.03.29 16:27:00 -
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Pretty sure this is a dead horse. Corp thievery is PvP, just in another form. Learn to trust people before you give them catastrophic access to your resources. Remember, it's not actually theivery, since you gave them access.
Now, if they hack someone's account, that's another story, petition that kind of thing. But the "omg we made him director and he wiped us out" type of "theft" was your choice. 
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Xascor
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Posted - 2006.03.29 16:27:00 -
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No CCP doesn't do anything about it.
It's the corps job to maintain secure recruiting practices and ensure that only trusted members have access to valuable items. If you fail to do that that's your fault and not CCPs.
If a "loyal" member just decides to screw you over for whatever reason then you just have to accept the loss and move on.
It happens. It's EVE. Get used to it.
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Naleb Cilani
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Posted - 2006.03.29 16:28:00 -
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Sorry for your loss (if that is the case), but it's not CCP's job to enforce trust between other players.
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if the repeatedly stated (not by players mind you) rules of the game don't agree with your "vision" of what this game ought to be... get lost.
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William Hartas
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Posted - 2006.03.29 16:28:00 -
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Nothing is done by CCP if it happens.
Why?
Well corporation infiltration is considered a viable tactic by CCP it is not against the rules therefore. The only way to combat it is to be very paranoid and only give the highest access of a corp wallet or hangers to people you can beat up in RL, like your wife.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2006.03.29 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: William Hartas
.....only give the highest access of a corp wallet or hangers to people you can beat up in RL, like your wife.
I've seen your wife and I doubt what you say is true  .
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Jinx Barker
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Posted - 2006.03.29 16:31:00 -
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ItÆs not against the rules of the game. This is perfectly LEGAL and in many respects acknowledged profession and tactic. Just remember three words: Paranoid, Paranoid, and Paranoid.
If you are paranoid enough, you will be fine.
There is nothing really to discuss. Developers, on numerous occasions, have stated, ôScamming, Stealing, Corporation Infiltration, in game, are all perfectly acceptable.ö
If a corporation CEO/Director is dumb enough, or careless enough to allow access to someone whom is not tried through and through, they deserve to be ripped off.
This horse has been beaten to death already, together with the ôOMFGIGOTGANKEDINJITAINMYHAULERö topic.
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Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2006.03.29 16:51:00 -
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CCP doesnt hold your hand.
You can lose everything in this game. Unlike many MMOG's, the risk is very great for total wipeout.
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.03.29 16:55:00 -
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right, so if you give someone you met five minutes ago power of etourney (sp?), would you complain if that person went to your bank and withdrew all your money? thought not. Next time vet people you give hanger access to. There are LEVELS of access for a reason.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.03.29 17:20:00 -
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be careful about your stuff - don't give access to people you don't trust implicitly, thats all.
the only thing i dislike about this system is how easy it is for people to use disposable alts to thieve. i haven't got a problem with people doing it on toons other than their main, but i don't like the fact that the toon can just get recycled and vanish soon after
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris
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Uggster
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Posted - 2006.03.29 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
be careful about your stuff - don't give access to people you don't trust implicitly, thats all.
the only thing i dislike about this system is how easy it is for people to use disposable alts to thieve. i haven't got a problem with people doing it on toons other than their main, but i don't like the fact that the toon can just get recycled and vanish soon after
Only if people are stupid though, if I was going to give people access to expensive kit in a corp I would make sure they could fly more than a noob ship before doing so.
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Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2006.03.29 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 29/03/2006 17:35:43
Ive been the unofficial 'secret police' of my corp for quite some time.
I only accept people from a large gaming forum I frequent (www.tribalwar.com). I insist that I send them 500k starting cash when they give me a PM on that forum. I then make sure that they're an active poster, havent posted in any threads about our enemies, or EVE before. And that they're not a smurf account on that forum.
On EVE, the only people you can trust are those that you knew pre-corp creation. Everyone else can be assumed to be an Alt, or will be given only very basic hangar access.
Another big preventiont o corp theft is being VERY strict about hangar access storage.
Put all yoru BPO/BPC's in one hangar with very high access. All mins in another. Then seperate out low,mid and high slots into its own repsective hangars.
What you do then, is create custom titles that have the hangar access as their only real feature (play aroun with it, it isnt that hard). In FREEE, we have 1-4 is Low - High + ammo/drones/ships. Then there's seperate titles for every hangar going up. By assignigng people the 'soldier' access, we give new recruits only 1-4 access to basic mods. The real bling stuff only for very trusted people or directors.
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2006.03.29 17:37:00 -
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There are tools to prevent people from steeling from your corp, you can lock down bpo's not give access to the corp wallett even store things in different hangers.
CCP have provided the tools to protect shared assets, why not use them.. 
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Ilya Murametz
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Posted - 2006.03.29 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: Ilya Murametz on 29/03/2006 20:06:50
Originally by: Jim Steele
There are tools to prevent people from steeling from your corp, you can lock down bpo's not give access to the corp wallett even store things in different hangers.
CCP have provided the tools to protect shared assets, why not use them..
These tools are fine... but in no means is your 100% answer to corp theft. Here's an example, you've been in the corp for couple of years, you have very trusted core leadership, about 2-3 directors, one of them decided, oh fleck it, i'm sick of leadership let me just steal everything to fund my new solo PvP desire and take off.. or what about a CEO who goes beserk and empties up the corp assets/wallet and leaves and sells his account on ebay and everybody who invested their blood and sweat and soar eyes mining for hours, with nothing. Or high ranking pilot with total access who was your best friend for 6 month, came to your aid, gave here and there to the corp, mined with you for hours gets in real life jam and sells his account w/o telling anyone.. and this new jack arse logs in and takes you to downtown.....Then these tool become kinda worthless dont ya think?
As of now we can cry, scream and ***** about it but nothing can be done. So how about this, we start listing their names, here or in Crime and Punishment section, we ***** enough maybe it will get stickied with the title: "Low Life Scum" (i could use few other names to call these losers but i might get banned :] ) Anybody with me, I can start i have few names to start taht post with. and i'm sure the corps that have these people with them now will start ****in bricks real fast.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2006.03.29 20:06:00 -
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its a part of the game, only thing that is annoying is,
a) an alt can do it.
b) no audit log for corp hangars making it diffiuclt to point the finger.
"We brake for nobody"
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Gimmie HACs
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Posted - 2006.03.29 20:09:00 -
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also, there's no way of knowing if and when a character has been transfered from one account to another
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Kage Getsu
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Posted - 2006.03.29 20:17:00 -
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Welcome to the EVE universe! If access to hangars is given to any people, the items inside actually belong to whoever gets their hands on them first. They don't belong to the corp or the CEO or anything.
Keep that in mind if you don't want to get stolen from!
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Ilya Murametz
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Posted - 2006.03.29 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ilya Murametz on 29/03/2006 20:34:26
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Welcome to the EVE universe! If access to hangars is given to any people, the items inside actually belong to whoever gets their hands on them first. They don't belong to the corp or the CEO or anything.
Keep that in mind if you don't want to get stolen from!
You're right.. but thats where it gets on the subject of moral/ethical thing to do, i give access to someone because i'm willing to share everything I/WE have ..but if that person is low life greedy numb nuts.. you can't really help it. Some people say: "why are you so upset about it, its just a game with fake stuff that's slolen now real stuff from your house" . Also correct BUT it took REAL time and effort to get those items, and when it's gone your time went to waste.. and it wasn't your choice, and that to me is a real wrong thing to do to anybody.
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Grey Nova
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Posted - 2006.03.29 20:41:00 -
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I'm not sure why ccp allows CEOs or Directors the ability to empty Corp wallets without some kind of a vote to allow it. All active members that have logged in at least Once a week should get a vote. That would stop that crazy CEO or director from screwing everyone royal.
Also as far as taking from hangers why isnt there some sort of approval system?
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