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Thomas Mickelson
The Ascended Fleet Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2014.01.29 04:06:00 -
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Ok so I use a Myrmidon for ratting, I got 4 curators and can usually rip stuff up before the rats even get into lock on range. Now all of a sudden they can't hit the broadside of a barn, and at that, Omnidirectional tracking links seem to be activitable now, and I thought they were passive before.
CCP plan to fix this? Or was this intentional? |

djentropy Ovaert
Crazy Bird Inc.
6
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Posted - 2014.01.29 04:09:00 -
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Thomas Mickelson wrote:Ok so I use a Myrmidon for ratting, I got 4 curators and can usually rip stuff up before the rats even get into lock on range. Now all of a sudden they can't hit the broadside of a barn, and at that, Omnidirectional tracking links seem to be activitable now, and I thought they were passive before.
CCP plan to fix this? Or was this intentional?
Start by reading the patch notes and reading the 43728947328947312890432432 other threads detailing how you are doing it all wrong. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4492
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Posted - 2014.01.29 04:10:00 -
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If only there was somewhere you could get this information before it was released, like some forums or something. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |

Muestereate
Minions LLC
145
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Posted - 2014.01.29 04:12:00 -
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scripts will help you. You'll need to overheat to get the old performance |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
988
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Posted - 2014.01.29 04:15:00 -
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Muestereate wrote:scripts will help you. You'll need to overheat to get the old performance Even with OH your still well below the old range+tracking. Even with OH and a range script you are way down on range and have no tracking bonus. Tracking script on the other had is better than before without OH, but again, no range of course. |

Meyr
SiN Corp Black Core Alliance
294
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Posted - 2014.01.29 04:17:00 -
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Because Goon Tears.
Go read the Features & Ideas section of the forums every now and then, and you won't be surprised when changes like this occur. |

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
231
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Posted - 2014.01.29 04:17:00 -
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Bouncers are the least effected by the range change because more of their range is falloff. |

Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1531
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Posted - 2014.01.29 04:20:00 -
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Range is for girls... improved tracking is nice. But opposite of what was required. Ironically the ability to assign drones is still untouched. |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2152
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Posted - 2014.01.29 04:21:00 -
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Thomas Mickelson wrote:Ok so I use a Myrmidon for ratting, I got 4 curators and can usually rip stuff up before the rats even get into lock on range. Now all of a sudden they can't hit the broadside of a barn, and at that, Omnidirectional tracking links seem to be activitable now, and I thought they were passive before.
CCP plan to fix this? Or was this intentional?
Expect your income generation to be about half of what it was with drones. Oh, and don't forget the nerf to the shield regen of the sentries.
Of course, the dev in question who is responsible for this, states, and I quote, "I think you'll find that your drones are still quite effective after this change, and remain very competitive with other weapon systems."
Of course, I think the weapon systems he is talking about are rockets and frigate pulse lasers, but I could be wrong.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3345
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Posted - 2014.01.29 04:24:00 -
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I would like a weapon that makes a missioner's drones attack himself. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1428
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Posted - 2014.01.29 04:27:00 -
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Meyr wrote:Because Goon Tears.
Go read the Features & Ideas section of the forums every now and then, and you won't be surprised when changes like this occur.
The existense of good tears does not preclude the possibility that sentry drones have been rather OP for a while. Its when stuff becomes a FOTM pvp meta that its first up for nerfbatting. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |

Meyr
SiN Corp Black Core Alliance
294
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Posted - 2014.01.29 04:39:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Meyr wrote:Because Goon Tears.
Go read the Features & Ideas section of the forums every now and then, and you won't be surprised when changes like this occur. The existense of goon (fixed that for you) tears does not preclude the possibility that sentry drones have been rather OP for a while. Its when stuff becomes a FOTM pvp meta that its first up for nerfbatting.
It was a way to reduce the power of drone fleets without OBVIOUSLY caving to Goon demands that Drone Assist be changed [expect to see a future patch limiting the number of drones that can be assigned to a single pilot very SOON!(tm)] |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3777
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Posted - 2014.01.29 05:16:00 -
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Sentries are so last year.
It's all about light combat drones now. Trust me.
Mr Epeen  There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |

Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
667
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Posted - 2014.01.29 05:23:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Thomas Mickelson wrote:Ok so I use a Myrmidon for ratting, I got 4 curators and can usually rip stuff up before the rats even get into lock on range. Now all of a sudden they can't hit the broadside of a barn, and at that, Omnidirectional tracking links seem to be activitable now, and I thought they were passive before.
CCP plan to fix this? Or was this intentional? Expect your income generation to be about half of what it was with drones. Oh, and don't forget the nerf to the shield regen of the sentries. Of course, the dev in question who is responsible for this, states, and I quote, "I think you'll find that your drones are still quite effective after this change, and remain very competitive with other weapon systems." Of course, I think the weapon systems he is talking about are rockets and frigate pulse lasers, but I could be wrong.
It won't halve income generation. The pilot needs to get 2x optimal range scripts, and 2x tracking scripts, and switch between them as the NPCs get closer, which can be done without interrupting the fire of the sentries.
I tried that last night with a single fed navy omni fitted ishtar and it was more than workable (I believe optimal was around 54 based on missing prior to patch, and around 51 after patch). I shot normal enough ticks bearing in mind the minor flexibility loss and the 5% nerf due to ESS anyway.
Yes it costs you some optimal, no the sky didn't fall. |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2154
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Posted - 2014.01.29 05:40:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Thomas Mickelson wrote:Ok so I use a Myrmidon for ratting, I got 4 curators and can usually rip stuff up before the rats even get into lock on range. Now all of a sudden they can't hit the broadside of a barn, and at that, Omnidirectional tracking links seem to be activitable now, and I thought they were passive before.
CCP plan to fix this? Or was this intentional? Expect your income generation to be about half of what it was with drones. Oh, and don't forget the nerf to the shield regen of the sentries. Of course, the dev in question who is responsible for this, states, and I quote, "I think you'll find that your drones are still quite effective after this change, and remain very competitive with other weapon systems." Of course, I think the weapon systems he is talking about are rockets and frigate pulse lasers, but I could be wrong. It won't halve income generation. The pilot needs to get 2x optimal range scripts, and 2x tracking scripts, and switch between them as the NPCs get closer, which can be done without interrupting the fire of the sentries. I tried that last night with a single fed navy omni fitted ishtar and it was more than workable (I believe optimal was around 54 based on missing prior to patch, and around 51 after patch). I shot normal enough ticks bearing in mind the minor flexibility loss and the 5% nerf due to ESS anyway. Yes it costs you some optimal, no the sky didn't fall.
Yup, and the thread owner was in a Myrm, that has no hull bonus. Want to take a crack at that using only useless Omni's now?
Of course, I am conversing with a goon, so what is the point.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

MaligoLibens
Bath Salt Abusers
0
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Posted - 2014.01.29 05:58:00 -
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don't use a myrmidon. it is not a viable ship anymore. |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
2263
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Posted - 2014.01.29 06:09:00 -
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I suppose asking for a refund on all my sentry drone SP so I can put it into basic gunnery is out of the question? Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
231
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Posted - 2014.01.29 06:10:00 -
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MaligoLibens wrote:don't use a myrmidon. it is not a viable ship anymore.
so what is viable ? Domi and Ishtar are now more optimal than ever. Perhaps the Prophecy ? Not much else really.
Part of the issue is nerfing an always on module more than necessary because it could feasibly be overheated (but in reality rarely will be) . |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
2264
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Posted - 2014.01.29 06:33:00 -
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MaligoLibens wrote:don't use a myrmidon. it is not a viable ship anymore.
This is sad but true. I used to run L4s in a Myrmidon. Did it for over a year, loved every moment of it. Then came the first "drone hate" patch. Heavy drones became the laughing stock of EvE and your lights & mediums draw so much aggro that actually tanking your ship became pointless, because the rats never actually fired at you, just your drones.
Traded up to a Gila, then a Rattlesnake, basically as an excuse to switch to sentries. At least those I know I can recall in time when twenty rats decide to alpha my drones one second after launch.
But that wasn't good enough, obviously, because now they've nerfed all the sentries as well. Which comes as a total surprise to exactly no drone boat user ever.
Good thing I still have mining to fall back on for my EvE excitement, eh? Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |

Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
266
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Posted - 2014.01.29 07:15:00 -
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Thomas Mickelson wrote:Ok so I use a Myrmidon for ratting, I got 4 curators and can usually rip stuff up before the rats even get into lock on range. Now all of a sudden they can't hit the broadside of a barn, and at that, Omnidirectional tracking links seem to be activitable now, and I thought they were passive before.
CCP plan to fix this? Or was this intentional?
Nice way of showing you have been living under a rock for the last couple of months. Are you familiar with the concept of patch notes?
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Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
266
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Posted - 2014.01.29 07:16:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Good thing I still have mining to fall back on for my EvE excitement, eh?
Because in eve, all you ever have to train is one weapon system and then you're done, right? Cry more.
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Sola Mercury
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2014.01.29 07:20:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Range is for girls... improved tracking is nice. But opposite of what was required. Ironically the ability to assign drones is still untouched.
Assign drones is not a problem. Drone Assist is the problem.
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Allaera
Oh Bugga League 0f Grumpy 0ld Farts
21
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Posted - 2014.01.29 07:35:00 -
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I'm getting the feeling the OP doesn't read owner's manuals or safety warning labels  |

Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
550
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Posted - 2014.01.29 07:43:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote: But that wasn't good enough, obviously, because now they've nerfed all the sentries as well. Which comes as a total surprise to exactly no drone boat user ever.
Good thing I still have mining to fall back on for my EvE excitement, eh?
So you now have to make choices when you fit your ship, like us turret and missile users.
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Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
128
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Posted - 2014.01.29 07:59:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Tauranon wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Thomas Mickelson wrote:Ok so I use a Myrmidon for ratting, I got 4 curators and can usually rip stuff up before the rats even get into lock on range. Now all of a sudden they can't hit the broadside of a barn, and at that, Omnidirectional tracking links seem to be activitable now, and I thought they were passive before.
CCP plan to fix this? Or was this intentional? Expect your income generation to be about half of what it was with drones. Oh, and don't forget the nerf to the shield regen of the sentries. Of course, the dev in question who is responsible for this, states, and I quote, "I think you'll find that your drones are still quite effective after this change, and remain very competitive with other weapon systems." Of course, I think the weapon systems he is talking about are rockets and frigate pulse lasers, but I could be wrong. It won't halve income generation. The pilot needs to get 2x optimal range scripts, and 2x tracking scripts, and switch between them as the NPCs get closer, which can be done without interrupting the fire of the sentries. I tried that last night with a single fed navy omni fitted ishtar and it was more than workable (I believe optimal was around 54 based on missing prior to patch, and around 51 after patch). I shot normal enough ticks bearing in mind the minor flexibility loss and the 5% nerf due to ESS anyway. Yes it costs you some optimal, no the sky didn't fall. Yup, and the thread owner was in a Myrm, that has no hull bonus. Want to take a crack at that using only useless Omni's now? Of course, I am conversing with a goon, so what is the point. Pre patch Garde with two omnis 45.6 Optimal + 12k falloff ~ 50 k effective range, half dmg at ~ 58k, 0 dmg at 70k
Post patch Garde with two omnis range scripted 39K Optimal + 19.7 falloff ~46 k effective range, half dmg at ~ 58k, 0 dmg at 78k
No, the sky didn't fall range wise on "unbonused" boats.
What the patch did hurt, is your ability to actually track small, high transversal targets maintaining that 50km range. Which was part of the problem with drone boats overperforming, particularly the range and tracking bonused hulls. When it comes to tracking a target at a more reasonable range, switching to tracking scripts nets you a 9.35% buff before overheating.
Care to elaborate what PvE content features small signature hostiles orbiting at 50+km, making unbonused ships with the new Omni useless? Furthermore, why should battleship class guns be used to fire at them, instead of switching to a more reasonable anti-frigate drone choice or using the high slots? After all, the sentry Myrm is little more than the drone version of a 6 gun Talos. Would you expect a blaster Talos to track sig tanking frigates at 50+km? |

Vamprina Maximus
Equity Nuclear
0
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Posted - 2014.01.29 08:19:00 -
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My problem isn't with the change, my problem is the tracking links deactivate after one cycle now.. Is this the way they are supposed to work? I was under the assumption they would work like sensor boosters and remain active and running even without scripts loaded. |

Treborr MintingtonJr
Quantum Reality R n D Spaceship Samurai
153
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Posted - 2014.01.29 08:22:00 -
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Face palmed when I read OP
Its definitely made it more challenging having to switch between range and tracking. My Domi drone boat actually needs ammo now. |

Treborr MintingtonJr
Quantum Reality R n D Spaceship Samurai
153
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Posted - 2014.01.29 08:23:00 -
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Vamprina Maximus wrote:My problem isn't with the change, my problem is the tracking links deactivate after one cycle now.. Is this the way they are supposed to work? I was under the assumption they would work like sensor boosters and remain active and running even without scripts loaded. Set Auto-Repeat to ON :-) |

Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
668
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Posted - 2014.01.29 08:39:00 -
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Vald Tegor wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Tauranon wrote:
It won't halve income generation. The pilot needs to get 2x optimal range scripts, and 2x tracking scripts, and switch between them as the NPCs get closer, which can be done without interrupting the fire of the sentries.
I tried that last night with a single fed navy omni fitted ishtar and it was more than workable (I believe optimal was around 54 based on missing prior to patch, and around 51 after patch). I shot normal enough ticks bearing in mind the minor flexibility loss and the 5% nerf due to ESS anyway.
Yes it costs you some optimal, no the sky didn't fall.
Yup, and the thread owner was in a Myrm, that has no hull bonus. Want to take a crack at that using only useless Omni's now? Of course, I am conversing with a goon, so what is the point. Pre patch Garde with two omnis 45.6 Optimal + 12k falloff ~ 50 k effective range, half dmg at ~ 58k, 0 dmg at 70k Post patch Garde with two omnis range scripted 39K Optimal + 19.7 falloff ~46 k effective range, half dmg at ~ 58k, 0 dmg at 78k No, the sky didn't fall range wise on "unbonused" boats. What the patch did hurt, is your ability to actually track small, high transversal targets maintaining that 50km range. Which was part of the problem with drone boats overperforming, particularly the range and tracking bonused hulls. When it comes to tracking a target at a more reasonable range, switching to tracking scripts nets you a 9.35% buff before overheating. Care to elaborate what PvE content features small signature hostiles orbiting at 50+km, making unbonused ships with the new Omni useless? Furthermore, why should battleship class guns be used to fire at them, instead of switching to a more reasonable anti-frigate drone choice or using the high slots? After all, the sentry Myrm is little more than the drone version of a 6 gun Talos. Would you expect a blaster Talos to track sig tanking frigates at 50+km?
Thankyou!
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8846
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Posted - 2014.01.29 08:45:00 -
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The omni change wasn't bad. I really doubt this will really make much of a difference to many PVP drone doctrines though. The real change is going to come when drone assist gets removed. My EVE Videos 59-15 |
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