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Key Dett
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2014.01.30 13:09:00 -
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I am very curious to hear when other groups decide to fight. Do you take a fight to take it because its space pixels or do you want overwhelming odds.
For Sky Fighters, we take almost any fight and go pretty much any where to get that fight. Yesterday we went in Hard Knocks hole and had a pretty awesome skirmish with them. They only dropped 1 carrier and made it a cool fight. We know they could have easily logged on 10 dreads and wiped us but they didn't so I tip my hat to them for that. Polarized did the same thing by only dropping a dread and a carrier when we went in their home a few weeks ago. We fought Disavowed in a connecting C5 which made for a fun fight as neither side could escalate but so far. Other groups, some well known large groups, have immediately tried to roll the connection or posed up when we have entered their home. Then other groups have simply have logged on every capital they had to make sure a fight didn't happen.
I'm not trying to suggest every group should fight every time as I know that is not possible nor smart. I'm also not trying to suggest you should fight fair as this is eve and there are no rules. I am just curious as to what makes you to decide to take a fight or not.
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Jay Joringer
Serene Vendetta
315
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Posted - 2014.01.30 13:15:00 -
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We will fight if it's a trap and obviously a trap. Especially if it's mentioned on comms before everyone warps in that there is no way that it is not a trap.
But this is only because we can't figure out how else to find out how big a trap it is.
"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage."
-Anais Nin
http://smug-bastard.blogspot.co.uk/ |
MadbaM
Hard Knocks Inc.
Kill It With Fire
59
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Posted - 2014.01.30 13:57:00 -
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Not an easy question to answer really but i will talk you through my train of thought before i take in a HK fleet.
First of i will try and fight everything regardless, my choice is never really should we or shouldn't we fight but rather what fleet comp we bring to a fight. What matters most is our scouting, where we are and what we can see.
These are what i feel the most important questions.
1) What can you see, number or people and what they are flying currently.
2) Will we be fighting in there home system or in a neutral system in chain. (there ability to re-ship get support)
3) Is the chain fully scanned / or have we rolled into a new chain and found a fight. (what possible unknowns do you need to keep an eye out for)
4) What grid will we be fighting on or can we draw the fight onto. eg: On our side of a WH/there side, in a site, on a pos ect ect (using WH mechanics system effects to your advantage is vital)
If your scout can answer all these questions you should always be able to devise a strategy / fleet comp that allows you to engage your targets.
There are so many more questions that your scouts need to be able to help with so you can make the best choice to fight and what to fight with. If you have spotted the enemy first and you think you have overwhelming numbers, you will be jumping them in a site your job is easy.
The tough choices in WH fights come when you are caught by surprise and you must respond, in my opinion the hardest choice is when an aggressive force has taken control of a hole in your system and they have bubbled up. This means you have limited information about whats on the other side, they are clearly prepared so even if you get eyes into them they could have ships hidden logged off ect. Also the bubble effectively makes any capitol you put on grid in danger as you wont have the safety of jumping and reducing a WH ending a loosing fight early.
Hard Knocks are more than comfortable fighting anything in our home system by virtue of the fact we can reship faster then our enemy and adapt faster to developing fights. Take our fight with Sky Fighters, we where able to commit or archon into there bubble because we could back it up if needed. During the fight our tengu's had major issues with ECM drones so we where able to send someone for a smart bombing BS and we could also refit key ships to help us in the developing fight. And when we saw that Sky had warped in a number of dreads to there side of the hole we could re-manage our fleet to deal with them if we needed to.
The question all WH FC's need to ask is not can we fight but rather how do we fight this.
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
Awakened.
1351
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Posted - 2014.01.30 14:10:00 -
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We fight whenever the opportunity arises but if the opposition takes to long to form up or attempts to dread blap us when it is not necessary, we won't fight them.
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
492
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Posted - 2014.01.30 15:45:00 -
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In direct response, weekdays from 1900-2200 (3 hours dinnertime) and then from 0100 to 0300. Cake and Tea are sponsored by corp. Sometimes we fight outside of those hours, mostly to defend white women for alliteration's sake.
The other when: When hostiles are both lockable and it's not totally stupid to spring that trap.
"I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
Moving pictures:
The Enyo |
Bloemkoolsaus
Viperfleet Inc.
Disavowed.
118
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Posted - 2014.01.30 15:54:00 -
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MadbaM wrote:First of i will try and fight everything regardless, my choice is never really should we or shouldn't we fight but rather what fleet comp we bring to a fight.
This pretty much 
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Allna
On Your Own
SWAG Co
1
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Posted - 2014.01.30 16:15:00 -
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We're small fish, so we don't really do capital fights, but we'll take most fights we can get unless its just ridiculously uneven numbers. We're not a big organization so if we're out with 5 dudes and run into a 20-man T3/logi fleet, we're not going to engage, but if numbers are not skewed dramatically we'll throw down. |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
Kill It With Fire
470
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Posted - 2014.01.30 17:22:00 -
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Fuckin' Sky Fighters are legit as **** shit yo.
Thanks for playing with us last night, next time we'll have to return the favor.
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Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
227
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Posted - 2014.01.30 17:29:00 -
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We fight as much as possible. We apologize to those we didn't fight this week as we were moving... End-of-Line should be back online by the weekend and open for pew.
As it stands, we fight as long as not outnumbered so as to be suicide, as I am working on doctrines that will allow us to fight large packs of t3s and... do damage if not win.
So, we like to fight, and we don't like risk-aversion.
Thanks to those bros who showed up but let us move in peace after an exchange or two, including a fun fight of 3 v 3 with Semper Ubi Sub Ubi at the sun.
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JohnathanGalt
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2014.01.30 17:48:00 -
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Deleted Cause i am an idiot. |
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Blademaster Hattori
Flying With Animals
Animal Farms
32
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Posted - 2014.01.30 19:21:00 -
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Who cares about KB's - take the fight for the fun of it.
Got to spend that WH isk somehow right?
PI_Trader - Creating, designing and managing your PI sales market tool |
Key Dett
Sky Fighters
20
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Posted - 2014.01.30 19:45:00 -
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@ MadbaM
The way our FCs and your FCs decide things is very similar. We always try to get the info we need and then come up with a counter that we believe will be effective. Its nice to see other groups are doing the same thing. By the way we are stealing a few thing from you guys in that fight as your fleet was a pain to deal with.
@ Ayeson
Thanks Mate we still have a ways to go but we are getting there. Agent almost had me convinced to come back in for round 3 and go all in but I just couldn't fit everything I wanted to take the fight. Wish I would have just went for it in Round 2 and Leroyed in.
Hopefully we will bump into the rest of you guys and get a chance to fight in the upcoming weeks. Till then Fly Safe. |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
Kill It With Fire
471
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Posted - 2014.01.30 19:56:00 -
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Key Dett wrote:
@ Ayeson
Thanks Mate we still have a ways to go but we are getting there. Agent almost had me convinced to come back in for round 3 and go all in but I just couldn't fit everything I wanted to take the fight. Wish I would have just went for it in Round 2 and Leroyed in.
Hopefully we will bump into the rest of you guys and get a chance to fight in the upcoming weeks. Till then Fly Safe.
Agent was REALLY trying to leeroy that archon in, like it was insured or something. 2 rounds was still way fun though.
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Svodola Darkfury
Heaven's End
League of Infamy
358
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Posted - 2014.01.30 20:25:00 -
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Jay Joringer wrote:We will fight if it's a trap and obviously a trap. Especially if it's mentioned on comms before everyone warps in that there is no way that it is not a trap.
But this is only because we can't figure out how else to find out how big a trap it is.
Same for Heaven's End. We will rarely fight on an unscouted chain vs. a well-known entity's PVP fleet though, because we simply don't have intel about whether or not they are really a 5 man gang or a 30 man fleet. Given our limited number of pilots we have to be pretty choosy about our engagements. For example, last time we tried to fight 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' without good intel they dropped 40 pilots on our 8 man gang, so we're much more cautious now.
Svo.
CEO of Heaven's End; Bad League of Legends Player. |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
828
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Posted - 2014.01.30 21:00:00 -
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I never look at it as when to fight/not fight. I look at it as "do I want to have fun?". This means that there is almost no fight I won't take.
No trolling please |
Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
Unmentionables
2966
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Posted - 2014.01.30 21:21:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:I never look at it as when to fight/not fight. I look at it as "do I want to have fun?". This means that there is almost no fight I won't take.
^basically this.
I don't whelp real ships into fights I know i cant get kills in but I will at the very least troll any fleet with ships they can't catch or I dont care about losing for zero return.
Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |
Havoc Zealot
Sky Fighters
119
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Posted - 2014.01.30 21:28:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:I never look at it as when to fight/not fight. I look at it as "do I want to have fun?". This means that there is almost no fight I won't take.
Did Bane just make a serious post?
Thanks for the fight HK, had to repay Agent for that neut legion... |
ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
180
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Posted - 2014.01.30 21:58:00 -
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If I have at least some guys with me, and someone to play with ill fight. That being said if we connect to another one of the larger groups, and its me and 2 guys im not opposed to just rolling the wormhole. When possible i try to inform the other crew that were not going to come out to play, and hope that both sides can just move on without feeling blue balled.
Im more than happy to go in outnumbered or outgunned, but for me at least theres a limit. If "they" already have 10+ guys, and i have 3 I dont even bother wasting their, or my time trying to make it work.
Overall if theres a fight to be had, i try to make it happen :). Losing in good pvp is always more satisfying than farming.
If you were asking for times my corp is mostly US so we see the most action later in the evenings.
The Wormhole Kid |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
831
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Posted - 2014.01.31 00:12:00 -
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Pretty much what Exo said. People need to be a little more understanding when it comes to some groups just not having the numbers once in a while. Hell, the other day we ran into SSC. We formed up a fleet and went to their wormhole, but unfortunately they didn't have the numbers at the time. That is no fault of anyones, so I convo'd one of the SSC bros to let them know they can roll their wormhole without interference from us. No shiit talking. No games. Just move on and keep looking for the pew.
No trolling please |
Iyokus Patrouette
End-of-Line
111
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Posted - 2014.01.31 05:30:00 -
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Stuff gets pretty serious around the EOL Aussie timezone when there is only one cookie left in the jar... usually there are fights then.
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Ayden Messura
Flying With Animals
Animal Farms
10
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Posted - 2014.01.31 06:49:00 -
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Being a newer entity to the c5 scene, we typically will fight on every occasion we get; however, typically due to our size we will attempt to arrange either a cap limit or a pilot limit so that its not suicide for us. Not easy replacing a t3 fleet when your just getting started but typically we will engage and try our luck at a fight with what we have if no arrangement can be made.
I will say this though, we are much more willing to fight if we dont see caps ready to come in on the other side of the hole. While they are commonly used in wh fights in lower numbers, if people come into our hole we dont know enough about their intentions to feel comfortable. We only just used caps in our hole for pvp this week for the first time which was awesome might I add, but the experience comfort that you gain from fights is not where it would need to be to, for lack of a better word, be careless about how we engage.
So far every entity we have fought though have been good sports for the most part and have even gotten some of our pilots exits out when trapped etc, so thanks to those we have fought for the courtesy given after a good brawl, it goes a long way with us as far as the community is concearned.
See you on the battlefield. |
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
Surely You're Joking
54
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Posted - 2014.01.31 08:30:00 -
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We engage when we feel like it |
Dmitry Wizard
THE AESIR.
Ragnarok.
234
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Posted - 2014.01.31 08:38:00 -
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when ever a good fight is to be expected. We dont engage TLC anymore. "TLC? Assume Archons"
"Wormhole corps are like a bunch of homeschooled kids" |
Sith1s Spectre
Sky Fighters
559
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Posted - 2014.01.31 11:52:00 -
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Dmitry Wizard wrote:when ever a good fight is to be expected. We dont engage TLC anymore. "TLC? Assume Archons"
Could be worse Dmitry, play with Adhoc, they'll roll you into their hole after baiting you to fight them, drop multiple caps on you and then try to ransom you to pay for their losses :P
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4033197#post4033197
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Jay Joringer
Serene Vendetta
318
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Posted - 2014.01.31 12:20:00 -
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Svodola Darkfury wrote:Jay Joringer wrote:We will fight if it's a trap and obviously a trap. Especially if it's mentioned on comms before everyone warps in that there is no way that it is not a trap.
But this is only because we can't figure out how else to find out how big a trap it is. Same for Heaven's End. We will rarely fight on an unscouted chain vs. a well-known entity's PVP fleet though, because we simply don't have intel about whether or not they are really a 5 man gang or a 30 man fleet. Given our limited number of pilots we have to be pretty choosy about our engagements. For example, last time we tried to fight 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' without good intel they dropped 40 pilots on our 8 man gang, so we're much more cautious now. Svo.
So... it's not the same then. I didn't mention 'intel' or 'scouting' since they are sensible things to do that might lead us to the conclusion that we'd lose. It's more fun to dive headlong into something then see if you can bail if you bite off more than you can chew. Besides, there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. Running away with that cheese is the challenge.
"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage."
-Anais Nin
http://smug-bastard.blogspot.co.uk/ |
M Thomas
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
57
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Posted - 2014.01.31 14:56:00 -
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Sith1s Spectre wrote:Dmitry Wizard wrote:when ever a good fight is to be expected. We dont engage TLC anymore. "TLC? Assume Archons" Could be worse Dmitry, play with Adhoc, they'll roll you into their hole after baiting you to fight them, drop multiple caps on you and then try to ransom you to pay for their losses :P
umad bra? |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
849
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:15:00 -
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If the shoe fits...
No trolling please |
M Thomas
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
57
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:26:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:If the shoe fits...
Show me on the dolly were the capitals touched you... |
larf1986
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
17
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Posted - 2014.01.31 17:44:00 -
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Ayden Messura wrote:Being a newer entity to the c5 scene, we typically will fight on every occasion we get; however, typically due to our size we will attempt to arrange either a cap limit or a pilot limit so that its not suicide for us. Not easy replacing a t3 fleet when your just getting started but typically we will engage and try our luck at a fight with what we have if no arrangement can be made.
I will say this though, we are much more willing to fight if we dont see caps ready to come in on the other side of the hole. While they are commonly used in wh fights in lower numbers, if people come into our hole we dont know enough about their intentions to feel comfortable. We only just used caps in our hole for pvp this week for the first time which was awesome might I add, but the experience comfort that you gain from fights is not where it would need to be to, for lack of a better word, be careless about how we engage.
So far every entity we have fought though have been good sports for the most part and have even gotten some of our pilots exits out when trapped etc, so thanks to those we have fought for the courtesy given after a good brawl, it goes a long way with us as far as the community is concearned.
See you on the battlefield.
Confirming these guys like a fight
We will try to fight everything we can when were on
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Klarion Sythis
End-of-Line
226
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:11:00 -
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M Thomas wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:If the shoe fits... Show me on the dolly were the capitals touched you...
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Hidden Fremen
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
294
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:41:00 -
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M Thomas wrote:Sith1s Spectre wrote:Dmitry Wizard wrote:when ever a good fight is to be expected. We dont engage TLC anymore. "TLC? Assume Archons" Could be worse Dmitry, play with Adhoc, they'll roll you into their hole after baiting you to fight them, drop multiple caps on you and then try to ransom you to pay for their losses :P umad bra?
This bears uncanny resemblance to that alliance formerly known as REPO.
I don't always post in >Wormholes>, but when I do, I immediately regret it because the thread is so sh*t... |
Xar Pahineh
The Suicide Express
14
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Posted - 2014.01.31 20:25:00 -
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^^ agree
Suicide likes to fight, we fight whenever we can, isn't that the reason we're in a WH?
That being said - we'll scout, look for a good fight either down the chain or in k-space. We went out in a BS fleet last friday, got our asses handed to us but it was fun.
We've fought most of you guys over the past few months, some we won, some we haven't.
it's all about the fun in the end, and fighting is fun, so we bring the fight whenever we can.
Recruitment Officer for The Suicide Express [PROZC]
Public Channel:-á Public Suicide |
Quinn Diaz
DON'T DO IT DAD
9
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Posted - 2014.01.31 20:42:00 -
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Page 2 and I'm the first one to confess that I am risk averse?
Me and my friends normally jump on every opportunity to score a gank, while trying to bait smaller escalations. We will not however take any fight we know we will lose, since we normally roll with 2-4 dps ships and no logistics (but a bunch of scout/tackle alts).
This doesn't mean that we run from everything that looks remotely dangerous however. With good intel and going in aggressive you can get some nice results with a much smaller fleet, since the first reaction for most people is to run away when someone is confident enough to go HAM on you. With this technique we have managed to fight half a fleet, and kill off their reinforcements returning 1 by 1 when they realize we actually didn't have a large fleet.
But then comes the times when you face the fleets with as many or more dps t3, backed up by tackle/bubbles and logis. These times we are the cowards cloaking up/posing up, hoping to catch a lone straggler or set a trap by rolling a hole when we know a smaller group is out roaming, hoping to catch them where their path home used to be. |
Akatori Nalelmir
Blue-Fire
5
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Posted - 2014.01.31 20:48:00 -
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We like to form up big fleets and not fight, because we are "too passive", True Story |
Sith1s Spectre
Sky Fighters
562
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Posted - 2014.01.31 21:24:00 -
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M Thomas wrote:Sith1s Spectre wrote:Dmitry Wizard wrote:when ever a good fight is to be expected. We dont engage TLC anymore. "TLC? Assume Archons" Could be worse Dmitry, play with Adhoc, they'll roll you into their hole after baiting you to fight them, drop multiple caps on you and then try to ransom you to pay for their losses :P umad bra?
Not really no. We'll take the hard fights and jump in without any hesitation ballsdeep into your home.
It's your sandbox and you can crap in it however you want. For us personally, it just changes what sort of fleet we bring next time.
Regards,
Sith
Sky Fighters is now recruiting a few more US/AU players
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M Thomas
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
57
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Posted - 2014.01.31 22:00:00 -
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Your space courage and honor is obviously unmatchable.
Respects,
M |
Glyndi
Doom Generation
THE H0NEYBADGER
146
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Posted - 2014.01.31 22:06:00 -
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We take all the fights, because not fighting is against our GSI (Give a **** Index). |
JamesWyh
Probe Patrol
Awakened.
15
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Posted - 2014.02.01 13:51:00 -
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Backing what my fellow corp man Rek says. I aim for my corp to have fun and take fights wherever we can. We shall back away from suicide but we have found that it is the hard fights that your learn from. We want to learn to be better and that is what we try. Often with mixed success.
I agree with what mr bane says (scarily) about it not people a fault when you just can't fight. We tried on NoHos the other day, made an error then hit the retreat button. Similarly Adhoc rolled into us ready but they were just honest and said we had too much online so left them to it.
My aims are fun and education. Normally not mixed but for this they shall be !
In other news I am enjoying the diversity away from t3 fleets that seems to be spreading. It makes stuff more interesting indeed. |
Hidden Fremen
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
297
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Posted - 2014.02.01 15:16:00 -
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After nearly four years of faring the unknown, this is what I've noticed... Those trying to make a name for themselves (new/reformed corps/alliances) will more than likely give you a good fight, but then they become prima donnas. Is there anyone left out there who truly does not give a f***?
I don't always post in >Wormholes>, but when I do, I immediately regret it because the thread is so sh*t... |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
855
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Posted - 2014.02.01 18:20:00 -
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I didn't want that salvage legion anyway....
No trolling please |
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Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
208
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Posted - 2014.02.01 18:33:00 -
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Akatori Nalelmir wrote:We like to form up big fleets and not fight, because we are "too passive", True Story
Confirming we're pacifists
Blue-Fire Best Fire |
Havoc Zealot
Sky Fighters
123
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Posted - 2014.02.01 18:36:00 -
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Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
858
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Posted - 2014.02.01 19:21:00 -
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Havoc Zealot wrote: Bane is the coolest person I've ever known
No need to delete your previous post. Be proud!
No trolling please |
Judas Lonestar
Stryker Industries
Ocularis Inferno
44
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Posted - 2014.02.02 00:31:00 -
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Fight? Thats scary. You could damage your ship!
Make isk, not war. Or something like that. |
Havoc Zealot
Sky Fighters
124
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Posted - 2014.02.02 00:47:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:Havoc Zealot wrote: Bane is the coolest person I've ever known
No need to delete your previous post. Be proud!
Hahaha, while this is true it was actually a post about blue fire ;) |
Cosmic Scanner
Temnava Legion
No Holes Barred
55
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Posted - 2014.02.02 01:36:00 -
[46] - Quote
Hai guys!!!! my friend just accidentally warped his Archon to the sun in your system.......
Cosmic Scanner / muu lufragga |
Joan Greywind
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
314
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Posted - 2014.02.02 04:55:00 -
[47] - Quote
Let me take a wild guess, t3's? |
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
208
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Posted - 2014.02.02 05:04:00 -
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Havoc Zealot wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:Havoc Zealot wrote: Bane is the coolest person I've ever known
No need to delete your previous post. Be proud! Hahaha, while this is true it was actually a post about blue fire ;)
so...
Havoc Zealot wrote:
Blue-Fire is the coolest person I've ever known
Doesn't really make sense but ok 
Blue-Fire Best Fire |
Duke Wendo
Probe Patrol
Awakened.
1
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Posted - 2014.02.03 23:09:00 -
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Every other Wednesday after 8pm |
Senn Denroth
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
162
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Posted - 2014.02.04 01:43:00 -
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I don't think the thread is titled in a manner that it will answer the overarching question of: are you in it for fun, or are you in it to win?
That question in it self is misleading because those that only take part in fights they think they can win or not, may only fight 33% of the time. In my books that's not a win because it would mean you are sitting in a POS not taking part in the game.
In WH space I've noticed that there are two groups of players.
Group A -
* Are in the game to have fun, but also have common sense and tactics.
* They do not pass up on a fight even if they're outnumbered 2:1 (something about the triple 3 fleet: 3 Loki, 3 Guardians, 3 Tengu, and 1 Moros with massive gonads)
* Will jump capital ships in to a mass reduced hole to secure a fight. Even in to someones home where they could be out escalated 10 fold on capital numbers.
* When are killed type GF in local
Group B -
* POS up straight away when they notice a new sig or ship on scan.
* Reduce mass or close wormholes to avoid fights that they think they might lose. May make excuses such as, not our prime time or, you took too long to bring a fight so we closed it.
* POS up when unable to roll the connection safely.
* Will not fight unless they have 3:1 odds.
* Farmers.
* May sometimes pose to be a corp/alliance that comes under Group A, but just so they don't get evicted or invaded and just get left alone to go back to farming.
Thankfully and proudly I know what group I sit under, I pay for this game to play it and contribute not sit around and ship spin.
P.S. Confirming that Sky Fighters seem to have balls the likes of which that horses roam around with. |
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Allna
On Your Own
SWAG Co
1
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Posted - 2014.02.04 15:14:00 -
[51] - Quote
Senn Denroth wrote:I don't think the thread is titled in a manner that it will answer the overarching question of: are you in it for fun, or are you in it to win?
That question in it self is misleading because those that only take part in fights they think they can win or not, may only fight 33% of the time. In my books that's not a win because it would mean you are sitting in a POS not taking part in the game.
In WH space I've noticed that there are two groups of players.
Group A -
* Are in the game to have fun, but also have common sense and tactics.
* They do not pass up on a fight even if they're outnumbered 2:1 (something about the triple 3 fleet: 3 Loki, 3 Guardians, 3 Tengu, and 1 Moros with massive gonads)
* Will jump capital ships in to a mass reduced hole to secure a fight. Even in to someones home where they could be out escalated 10 fold on capital numbers.
* When are killed type GF in local
Group B -
* POS up straight away when they notice a new sig or ship on scan.
* Reduce mass or close wormholes to avoid fights that they think they might lose. May make excuses such as, not our prime time or, you took too long to bring a fight so we closed it.
* POS up when unable to roll the connection safely.
* Will not fight unless they have 3:1 odds.
* Farmers.
* May sometimes pose to be a corp/alliance that comes under Group A, but just so they don't get evicted or invaded and just get left alone to go back to farming.
Thankfully and proudly I know what group I sit under, I pay for this game to play it and contribute not sit around and ship spin.
P.S. Confirming that Sky Fighters seem to have balls the likes of which that horses roam around with.
I honestly think this is a little black-and-white (though fairly accurate description of a lot of entities we've encountered!).. I like to think of ourselves as not being in group B, basically because we never do most of the things you list there, but, we also rarely take fights that are an obvious loss for us (I suppose 2:1 we'd take depending on the fleet comps and if ECM/Logi are involved), but 3:1 and such we will avoid and look for other fights that are more 'our size'..
For our organization, our behavior comes from simply a lack of cash (and we're pretty small, typical night is 5-6 dudes). We haven't shot red plus's or harvested anything in... several months as most of us seem to not enjoy NPCing, so we really don't have any stable income where we live, and based on our habits, we tend to form up around the same time, and the status quo is to go forth and build a chain in the mapper and look for content in the way of PVP.
Our static is pretty much only ever used as a means to get to another system where there's someone to engage. We don't take fights that are an obvious "we will for sure get murdered", simply because we don't have the funds to mass-replace losses, and would be back in k-space before long if we took fights that would end that way. Perhaps that's our problem, we need to 'farm' more so we can afford to take bigger risks, but .. nobody wants to farm, so we don't, and instead we roam.
Perhaps that's free intel, but it is what it is, and its a game so vOv. |
TXG SYNC
Outer Ring Sleeper Collective
Illusion of Solitude
32
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Posted - 2014.02.04 19:55:00 -
[52] - Quote
Blogged about this very topic: http://splatus.wordpress.com/2014/01/15/pvp-as-a-survival-tactic/
Fighting for us is not just about survival; it's fundamentally why we are here. Wormholes are a bastion of small-gang PvP (heh, I wrote "small-gank PvP" first, that's so true, too...) due to mass limits. Sure, you can find ways to blob, but it's harder than in Null.
We had a recent fight that's illustrative of our typical "when" we fight. New connection opened into our system. We shoved a scout through, determined their corporations, put all their people on watchlist (took a while), determined how many were currently logged on, and calculated our numbers. A quick batphone to some people logged-off so that we had almost as many as they did, and we shipped up to T3s because that's all that we'd seen from them.
A few minutes later, in local one of their members said, "We don't have your numbers. We're not going to fight."
Now, we were a little skeptical, but willing to entertain a fight on a smaller scale. They said they had the numbers to bring a single battlecruiser to fight; we agreed to fight it with frigates and maybe a cruiser or two. After the Gnosis devastated several frigates easily (it was actually pretty sad; we were like villains in a Jackie Chan movie jumping on him one-by-one and being destroyed), I warped onto him as he went into structure in my Arbitrator, and whored on the killmail. GF's were exchanged in local, we let the pod go because that's how we roll during arranged fights.
Another time recently I'd reshipped for PvE with a corp-mate. A new hole opened on our way back home, and they ganked us on the hole. Not intentional PvP -- and we lost horribly to a half-dozen T3s -- but we'll take it.
We skirmish with Null groups, bait in lowsec, and take what comes.
My killboard sure looks sad, though. It is the lot of most logistics pilots. On the plus side, not showing up on killmails means people are likely to ignore our relevance to battle outcomes... |
Stoned Wish
Sky Fighters
1
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Posted - 2014.02.04 22:57:00 -
[53] - Quote
Senn Denroth wrote:
P.S. Confirming that Sky Fighters seem to have balls the likes of which that horses roam around with.
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Lord Azori
Team Pizza
The Hole Next Door
47
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Posted - 2014.02.05 00:18:00 -
[54] - Quote
Senn Denroth wrote:I don't think the thread is titled in a manner that it will answer the overarching question of: are you in it for fun, or are you in it to win?
That question in it self is misleading because those that only take part in fights they think they can win or not, may only fight 33% of the time. In my books that's not a win because it would mean you are sitting in a POS not taking part in the game.
In WH space I've noticed that there are two groups of players.
Group A -
* Are in the game to have fun, but also have common sense and tactics.
* They do not pass up on a fight even if they're outnumbered 2:1 (something about the triple 3 fleet: 3 Loki, 3 Guardians, 3 Tengu, and 1 Moros with massive gonads)
* Will jump capital ships in to a mass reduced hole to secure a fight. Even in to someones home where they could be out escalated 10 fold on capital numbers.
* When are killed type GF in local
Group B -
* POS up straight away when they notice a new sig or ship on scan.
* Reduce mass or close wormholes to avoid fights that they think they might lose. May make excuses such as, not our prime time or, you took too long to bring a fight so we closed it.
* POS up when unable to roll the connection safely.
* Will not fight unless they have 3:1 odds.
* Farmers.
* May sometimes pose to be a corp/alliance that comes under Group A, but just so they don't get evicted or invaded and just get left alone to go back to farming.
Thankfully and proudly I know what group I sit under, I pay for this game to play it and contribute not sit around and ship spin.
P.S. Confirming that Sky Fighters seem to have balls the likes of which that horses roam around with.
Team Pizza tries VERY hard to be in group A. We gave no problem going balls deep, and fight for the fight, not efficiency. Complaining about our kill board ratio is a sure way to not make it through our trial period. Lots of good WH groups in this thread.
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Hidden Fremen
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
300
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Posted - 2014.02.05 00:21:00 -
[55] - Quote
TIL - Everything is a batphone now.
I don't always post in >Wormholes>, but when I do, I immediately regret it because the thread is so sh*t... |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
875
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Posted - 2014.02.05 00:21:00 -
[56] - Quote
In wormhole space, Pizza delivers you.
No trolling please |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
875
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Posted - 2014.02.05 00:31:00 -
[57] - Quote
Hidden Fremen wrote:TIL - Everything is a batphone now.
Shut up before I call NoHo 
No trolling please |
Alundil
Sky Fighters
392
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Posted - 2014.02.05 04:24:00 -
[58] - Quote
Every. time. it's. Presented.
Quite fun.
Clone mechanics enchancements
Deep Space Probe Revival |
Vordak Kallager
Mafia Redux
Phobia.
556
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Posted - 2014.02.05 06:10:00 -
[59] - Quote
We'll fight anyone, anytime in anything, unless it's obvious we're going to just die w/out having a chance to kill anything. 
Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
TurboX3
V0LTA
Triumvirate.
43
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Posted - 2014.02.05 09:06:00 -
[60] - Quote
I will only fight if I get SRP!
No Trolling Please |
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Winthorp
Sky Fighters
679
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Posted - 2014.02.05 09:16:00 -
[61] - Quote
TurboX3 wrote:I will only fight if I get SRP!
Well now your full nullsec, your moongoo profits will kick in soon.
(Insert witty signature here) |
Havoc Zealot
Sky Fighters
131
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:31:00 -
[62] - Quote
TurboX3 wrote:I will only fight if I get SRP!
SRP?...what's that?!?! |
Rob Benson
Sky Fighters
31
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:48:00 -
[63] - Quote
TurboX3 wrote:I will only fight if I get SRP!
Everybody knows you don't go full nullsec. You went full nullsec.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAKG-kbKeIo |
Kalel Nimrott
Sky Fighters
772
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Posted - 2014.02.05 20:02:00 -
[64] - Quote
Almost never, everyone in this corp is risk adverse and our main fc only cares about trade wars.
My opinions are not my own. They come from the consensus of my corp. So, suck it. |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
885
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Posted - 2014.02.05 21:37:00 -
[65] - Quote
Kalel Nimrott wrote:Almost never, everyone in this corp is risk adverse and our main fc only cares about trade wars.
Confirming Frosty is main FC
No trolling please |
Havoc Zealot
Sky Fighters
132
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:22:00 -
[66] - Quote
Bane Nucleus wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:Almost never, everyone in this corp is risk adverse and our main fc only cares about trade wars. Confirming Frosty is main FC
I thought it was Velvet? |
Alundil
Sky Fighters
393
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:05:00 -
[67] - Quote
Kalel Nimrott wrote:Almost never, everyone in this corp is risk adverse and our main fc only cares about trade wars.
His spread sheet fu is impressive
Clone mechanics enchancements
Deep Space Probe Revival |
Kalel Nimrott
Sky Fighters
772
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Posted - 2014.02.06 02:06:00 -
[68] - Quote
Oh!, look! "Corp mates"!
My opinions are not my own. They come from the consensus of my corp. So, suck it. |
Havoc Zealot
Sky Fighters
132
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Posted - 2014.02.06 05:35:00 -
[69] - Quote
you guys all got the mail too about this being the new Sky Fighters forum right? |
Xar Pahineh
The Suicide Express
14
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Posted - 2014.02.06 06:04:00 -
[70] - Quote
Well - mom and pop wanted to play and so did we - it was a fun fight and REPO (our old friends?) had fun too. Glad for a fight after cap esc's and scanning down the chain! Gotta love W-Space!
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=21767897
Recruitment Officer for The Suicide Express [PROZC]
Public Channel:-á Public Suicide |
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Winthorp
Sky Fighters
679
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Posted - 2014.02.06 07:11:00 -
[71] - Quote
Havoc Zealot wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:Almost never, everyone in this corp is risk adverse and our main fc only cares about trade wars. Confirming Frosty is main FC I thought it was Velvet?
I am space rich but even i couldn't afford to whelp marauders to his standards.
(Insert witty signature here) |
Gottfryd Macglower
Sky Fighters
5
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Posted - 2014.02.06 17:21:00 -
[72] - Quote
Winthorp wrote:Havoc Zealot wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:Almost never, everyone in this corp is risk adverse and our main fc only cares about trade wars. Confirming Frosty is main FC I thought it was Velvet? I am space rich but even i couldn't afford to whelp marauders to his standards.
Just use the Kalel approach: take two ships to get whelped. You might escape with one, right? |
Rubishod
Discrete Astrographic Reconnaissance Technologies
0
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Posted - 2014.02.23 23:32:00 -
[73] - Quote
Respect. Sky Fighters bring the fight when the fight need be brought. |
Kalel Nimrott
Sky Fighters
895
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Posted - 2014.02.24 02:01:00 -
[74] - Quote
That's not entirely true.
My opinions are not my own. They come from the consensus of my corp. So, suck it. |
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