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Aquila Sagitta Blue-Fire 202	Posted - 2014.01.31 15:41:00 - [1] - Quote Out in various nullsex looking for ESS to rob and I've only found one. Which had 1.2mil in it which I stole. Went back couple hours later and it was gone (presumably scooped). Also curious if there's any way to find ESS without being in system with it? Is there a map setting like for cynos? Blue-Fire Best Fire
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 2241	Posted - 2014.01.31 15:47:00 - [2] - Quote Quote: Also curious if there's any way to find ESS without being in system with it? Is there a map setting like for cynos? Rofl. Someone asked me a little while ago if the ESS could possibly be worse. Now I have an answer. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Lucas Kell JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance 2488	Posted - 2014.01.31 15:49:00 - [3] - Quote I imagine it will be a long while before it's used much, and when it is it will be in very few systems. It's pretty pointless, since all it's doing is basically taxing you a bit into a pool which you might get later, or might not depending on who accessed it. I'm really not sure what the thinking was behind it. It's certainly not going to be a major conflict driver. You're more likely to be able to find and rob people's MTUs. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff.
Morganta Peripheral Madness 1956	Posted - 2014.01.31 15:51:00 - [4] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Quote: Also curious if there's any way to find ESS without being in system with it? Is there a map setting like for cynos? Rofl. Someone asked me a little while ago if the ESS could possibly be worse. Now I have an answer. I think every jump drive capable ship should see them as friendly cynos, and be able to bridge/jump to them by mistake
Cheng Musana Purple Space Ponys AAA Citizens 53	Posted - 2014.01.31 15:51:00 - [5] - Quote Erm maybe you should search in systems that have military on 4 or higher. And at the moment that thing is bugged and being used as wormhole scout. And LP are not correctly given for killing rats so the interest in using them is low.
Aquila Sagitta Blue-Fire 202	Posted - 2014.01.31 15:54:00 - [6] - Quote Update: Just found and stole 45 mil I'M RICH ***** Blue-Fire Best Fire
Lucas Kell JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance 2488	Posted - 2014.01.31 15:54:00 - [7] - Quote Cheng Musana wrote: and being used as wormhole scout. HAHA! That is truly genius. Some times I love the EVE community (only sometimes), such a creative bunch. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff.
Muestereate Minions LLC 149	Posted - 2014.01.31 16:00:00 - [8] - Quote Don't give us that much credit, that was only one person
Rhes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 564	Posted - 2014.01.31 16:02:00 - [9] - Quote Stealing is wrong. EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 4526	Posted - 2014.01.31 16:03:00 - [10] - Quote Aquila Sagitta wrote: Out in various nullsex looking for ESS to rob and I've only found one. Which had 1.2mil in it which I stole. Went back couple hours later and it was gone (presumably scooped). Also curious if there's any way to find ESS without being in system with it? Is there a map setting like for cynos? I've experienced the ESS once. An alliance mate put up and Amarr ESS and it caused some "discussion" in local but we all decided to leave it up and give it a go. The owner sat a cyno alt on the thing at zero and as soon as hostiles showed up next door he hit share. The cyno alt was able to get away, we all got our isk and LP and the hostiles didn't even bother to shoot the ESS. So much for "driving conflict" though lol. The total risk on our part was 1 25 mil ESS (owned by one guy not the alliance) and his cyno alt who had his clone set for the system we were in so even if it and it's noob ship died, no big whoop. The ESS should have never left the drawing board is was born on.
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 2630	Posted - 2014.01.31 16:18:00 - [11] - Quote In the live stream yesterday CCP gave a figure for the number of times an ESS had been deployed in the first 2 days of the patch. I think it was about 1000 times. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
Morganta Peripheral Madness 1958	Posted - 2014.01.31 16:23:00 - [12] - Quote we killed one on a roam during the standings outage my only complaint is CCP not pushing out art assets to the KB community... AGAIN!
Plastic Psycho Necro-Economics 1130	Posted - 2014.01.31 16:30:00 - [13] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: The ESS should have never left the drawing board is was born on. I'm kinda surprised it wasn't laughed out of the room when first introduced beyond the creating team.
Aquila Sagitta Blue-Fire 202	Posted - 2014.01.31 16:34:00 - [14] - Quote Plastic Psycho wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: The ESS should have never left the drawing board is was born on. I'm kinda surprised it wasn't laughed out of the room when first introduced beyond the creating team. I think its a great idea. Just need to make it good enough so that bears use them. Blue-Fire Best Fire
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 2242	Posted - 2014.01.31 16:43:00 - [15] - Quote Aquila Sagitta wrote: Plastic Psycho wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: The ESS should have never left the drawing board is was born on. I'm kinda surprised it wasn't laughed out of the room when first introduced beyond the creating team. I think its a great idea. Just need to make it good enough so that bears use them. Suggestions, then? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Aquila Sagitta Blue-Fire 202	Posted - 2014.01.31 16:46:00 - [16] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Aquila Sagitta wrote: Plastic Psycho wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: The ESS should have never left the drawing board is was born on. I'm kinda surprised it wasn't laughed out of the room when first introduced beyond the creating team. I think its a great idea. Just need to make it good enough so that bears use them. Suggestions, then? Make the ESS boost payouts to 105% by just dropping it then increase to 110% over time OOO just had a thought. What if you had to hack the ESS to get it to boost payouts? Blue-Fire Best Fire
Icarus Able Revenant Tactical 334	Posted - 2014.01.31 17:12:00 - [17] - Quote Or if you have no contributed to the ESS then to get to the money you have to play a hacking minigame.
Tarpedo Incursionista 627	Posted - 2014.01.31 17:25:00 - [18] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Aquila Sagitta wrote: Plastic Psycho wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: The ESS should have never left the drawing board is was born on. I'm kinda surprised it wasn't laughed out of the room when first introduced beyond the creating team. I think its a great idea. Just need to make it good enough so that bears use them. Suggestions, then? Add +25% while lowering direct payout to 66% of norm and people will use and rob them like there is no tomorrow.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 2243	Posted - 2014.01.31 17:27:00 - [19] - Quote Tarpedo wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Aquila Sagitta wrote: Plastic Psycho wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: The ESS should have never left the drawing board is was born on. I'm kinda surprised it wasn't laughed out of the room when first introduced beyond the creating team. I think its a great idea. Just need to make it good enough so that bears use them. Suggestions, then? Add +25% while lowering direct payout to 66% of norm and people will use and rob them like there is no tomorrow. If you drop payment to 66% of normal, people will simply desert nullsec. That's the problem in the first place. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1209	Posted - 2014.01.31 17:35:00 - [20] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: If you drop payment to 66% of normal, people will simply desert nullsec. That's the problem in the first place. not true.. lazynnes is still the most powerful force in the universe. But the direction is correct. Base payout should be even lower and the reward should be even higher. Also the time to hit share should not be THAT fast. Should take at least like 1 min. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
Aquila Sagitta Blue-Fire 205	Posted - 2014.01.31 17:37:00 - [21] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: If you drop payment to 66% of normal, people will simply desert nullsec. That's the problem in the first place. not true.. lazynnes is still the most powerful force in the universe. But the direction is correct. Base payout should be even lower and the reward should be even higher. Also the time to hit share should not be THAT fast. Should take at least like 1 min. Yeah def! In some systems its a 30s warp just to get to the ESS Blue-Fire Best Fire
Dinsdale Pirannha Pirannha Corp 2182	Posted - 2014.01.31 17:40:00 - [22] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: If you drop payment to 66% of normal, people will simply desert nullsec. Desert null sec...LOL. While I was totally against the original design as a purely malicious attack on null sec line members (and I hate the newer version even more), there was, and is, zero chance of players leaving null sec. The ISK is way too high, the risk far too low, for anyone who likes that kind of thing to give it up. The only thing that can kill you in null sec is boredom. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook.
Qweasdy Absolute Massive Destruction Cult of War 59	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:00:00 - [23] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: If you drop payment to 66% of normal, people will simply desert nullsec. Desert null sec...LOL. While I was totally against the original design as a purely malicious attack on null sec line members (and I hate the newer version even more), there was, and is, zero chance of players leaving null sec. The ISK is way too high, the risk far too low, for anyone who likes that kind of thing to give it up. The only thing that can kill you in null sec is boredom. I live in nullsec, I make all my money in highsec, go figure.
Nuela Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance 230	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:07:00 - [24] - Quote Qweasdy wrote: Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: If you drop payment to 66% of normal, people will simply desert nullsec. Desert null sec...LOL. While I was totally against the original design as a purely malicious attack on null sec line members (and I hate the newer version even more), there was, and is, zero chance of players leaving null sec. The ISK is way too high, the risk far too low, for anyone who likes that kind of thing to give it up. The only thing that can kill you in null sec is boredom. I live in nullsec, I make all my money in highsec, go figure. For PvE, I make more isk in Level 4's hisec myself. But then again, I made more in L4's in hisec that I made in Incursions PRENERF. Anoms in null, Incursions, and hisec L4's paid about the same, all things considered, but L4's still squeek out highest. I have L4 mission running for wealth down to a fine art though so YMMV. Why do Nullsec PvE or Incursions then? For something different. Can't make isk the same way all the time without going crazy(er)
James Nikolas Tesla Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 56	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:36:00 - [25] - Quote Aquila Sagitta wrote: Out in various nullsex looking for ESS to rob and I've only found one. Which had 1.2mil in it which I stole. Went back couple hours later and it was gone (presumably scooped). Also curious if there's any way to find ESS without being in system with it? Is there a map setting like for cynos? Update: Since making this thread I've found a few ESS. Most are empty or have very little isk in them. In order found ~45 mil lost it in a fire in Delve :( 6 mil got ran off by locals 165 mil OP SUCCESS lel ~20 mil OP SUCCESS Nullsex, never heard of it. Is that where the ship blobs go for their orgies? 1/27/14 A hell of a good day to be a miner! Please help me with my ORE Battleship. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=315675
AnotherUseless Alt Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:40:00 - [26] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: If you drop payment to 66% of normal, people will simply desert nullsec. That's the problem in the first place. not true.. lazynnes is still the most powerful force in the universe. But the direction is correct. Base payout should be even lower and the reward should be even higher. Also the time to hit share should not be THAT fast. Should take at least like 1 min. You really don't understand 0.0 do you? The bears are there to bear in peace, not be bothered constantly, or have to worry about an additional mechanics. With the buff to interceptors, it's already become a pain to rat, make it worse, and everyone will be in high sec doing incursions.
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 937	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:47:00 - [27] - Quote My understanding is that most of the HS income comes from LP and that is part of the problem with the disparity in NS vs HS incomes. This thing drops LP. Granted, not at the level it's supposed to but after Monday when they fix this thing, doesn't that incentivize it's use for the LP? Does the LP amount need to be increased from its current 150-200 LP/1 million ISK? "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon [Member of The BrownCoat Syndicate]
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 4531	Posted - 2014.01.31 18:54:00 - [28] - Quote James Nikolas Tesla wrote: Nullsex, never heard of it. HighSex is what happens before you get married. NullSex is what happens after you say I do. No more Wormhole either.
Aquila Sagitta Blue-Fire 205	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:01:00 - [29] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: James Nikolas Tesla wrote: Nullsex, never heard of it. HighSex is what happens before you get married. NullSex is what happens after you say I do. No more Wormhole either. As a wh corp Nullsex is how we affectionately refer to our numerous 0.0 exits Blue-Fire Best Fire
Plastic Psycho Necro-Economics 1140	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:15:00 - [30] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: ...people will simply desert nullsec. That's the problem in the first place. Yup. And the ESS is a more-or-less direct nerf on ratting income in Null. If you want more bears out in Null, you need to make it more attractive, not more complicated. Making it more complicated and less remunerative (over all) at the same time is just silly.

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