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Sieg oder Valhalla The Advent of Faith Standing United. 28	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:15:00 - [31] - Quote With the release of Rubicon 1.1, I've stopped all ratting in nullsec and simply run L4s in highsec for my ISK; better money, less risk. It's clear that CCP doesn't actually want anyone living in nullsec, since the last few patches have been a series of "**** yous" to nullsec line members.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 2250	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:24:00 - [32] - Quote Plastic Psycho wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: ...people will simply desert nullsec. That's the problem in the first place. Yup. And the ESS is a more-or-less direct nerf on ratting income in Null. If you want more bears out in Null, you need to make it more attractive, not more complicated. Making it more complicated and less remunerative (over all) at the same time is just silly. Upvoted for use of the word "remunerative". Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Rekkr Nordgard The Ardency of Faith 366	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:24:00 - [33] - Quote Aquila Sagitta wrote: 165 mil OP SUCCESS lel For anyone interested, it appears that there is a ESS operated by stupid renters in either Q2-N6W or A-5F4A, go have fun.
Aquila Sagitta Blue-Fire 205	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:33:00 - [34] - Quote Rekkr Nordgard wrote: Aquila Sagitta wrote: 165 mil OP SUCCESS lel For anyone interested, it appears that there is a ESS operated by stupid renters in either Q2-N6W or A-5F4A, go have fun. It was Q2 and they've since removed the ESS Blue-Fire Best Fire
Rekkr Nordgard The Ardency of Faith 367	Posted - 2014.01.31 19:58:00 - [35] - Quote Aquila Sagitta wrote: Rekkr Nordgard wrote: Aquila Sagitta wrote: 165 mil OP SUCCESS lel For anyone interested, it appears that there is a ESS operated by stupid renters in either Q2-N6W or A-5F4A, go have fun. It was Q2 and they've since removed the ESS Another success story for CCP's new deployable!
trader joes Ichinumi Waltaratzor Corporation 41	Posted - 2014.01.31 22:45:00 - [36] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Aquila Sagitta wrote: Out in various nullsex looking for ESS to rob and I've only found one. Which had 1.2mil in it which I stole. Went back couple hours later and it was gone (presumably scooped). Also curious if there's any way to find ESS without being in system with it? Is there a map setting like for cynos? I've experienced the ESS once. An alliance mate put up and Amarr ESS and it caused some "discussion" in local but we all decided to leave it up and give it a go. The owner sat a cyno alt on the thing at zero and as soon as hostiles showed up next door he hit share. The cyno alt was able to get away, we all got our isk and LP and the hostiles didn't even bother to shoot the ESS. So much for "driving conflict" though lol. The total risk on our part was 1 25 mil ESS (owned by one guy not the alliance) and his cyno alt who had his clone set for the system we were in so even if it and it's noob ship died, no big whoop. The ESS should have never left the drawing board is was born on. Make sure you deploy it as far from the gates as possible. That can give you an extra 5-10 seconds to share all. The ESS is great for renters with cyno alts. Most of them bubble the hell out of their gates anyway and its only 30 seconds to share all. The only ships that can possibly get to you in time are interceptors and T3s. If you fit a cheap tanky ship, they won't be able to kill you before you loot.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 4545	Posted - 2014.02.01 01:17:00 - [37] - Quote trader joes Ichinumi wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Aquila Sagitta wrote: Out in various nullsex looking for ESS to rob and I've only found one. Which had 1.2mil in it which I stole. Went back couple hours later and it was gone (presumably scooped). Also curious if there's any way to find ESS without being in system with it? Is there a map setting like for cynos? I've experienced the ESS once. An alliance mate put up and Amarr ESS and it caused some "discussion" in local but we all decided to leave it up and give it a go. The owner sat a cyno alt on the thing at zero and as soon as hostiles showed up next door he hit share. The cyno alt was able to get away, we all got our isk and LP and the hostiles didn't even bother to shoot the ESS. So much for "driving conflict" though lol. The total risk on our part was 1 25 mil ESS (owned by one guy not the alliance) and his cyno alt who had his clone set for the system we were in so even if it and it's noob ship died, no big whoop. The ESS should have never left the drawing board is was born on. Make sure you deploy it as far from the gates as possible. That can give you an extra 5-10 seconds to share all. The ESS is great for renters with cyno alts. Most of them bubble the hell out of their gates anyway and its only 30 seconds to share all. The only ships that can possibly get to you in time are interceptors and T3s. If you fit a cheap tanky ship, they won't be able to kill you before you loot. I am at this moment training my cyno alt for a Maller lol. I don't like the ESS but until my alliance bans it im juice that mofo for all i can get lol.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1030	Posted - 2014.02.01 01:28:00 - [38] - Quote Kimmi Chan wrote: My understanding is that most of the HS income comes from LP and that is part of the problem with the disparity in NS vs HS incomes. This thing drops LP. Granted, not at the level it's supposed to but after Monday when they fix this thing, doesn't that incentivize it's use for the LP? Does the LP amount need to be increased from its current 150-200 LP/1 million ISK? Your understanding about high sec income breakdown is wrong (unless you are talking the current crazy SOE LP which is not the standard). LP is normally about a third of the total income and included in the figures people claim for high sec already Even lower ratio for incursions at about 20%. Once they fix the ESS (What is bugged?) you can potentially get up to 25% 'more' income than you could before the ESS using the same average LP value. Even higher income if you manage to leverage the LP market. Is a 25% income boost not good enough to justify the risk of 25 million, given with the LP payout you break even before you even start to recover any isk from the ESS.
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 1577	Posted - 2014.02.01 03:01:00 - [39] - Quote ESS dropping in enemy system + stealth bomber or cloaky nado gank squad = fun.
Aquila Sagitta Blue-Fire 205	Posted - 2014.02.01 03:22:00 - [40] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: ESS dropping in enemy system + stealth bomber or cloaky nado gank squad = fun. I don't think you understand null... AFK cloaker in Null system means ABANDON SYSTEM Blue-Fire Best Fire
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 1577	Posted - 2014.02.01 04:12:00 - [41] - Quote Aquila Sagitta wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: ESS dropping in enemy system + stealth bomber or cloaky nado gank squad = fun. I don't think you understand null... AFK cloaker in Null system means ABANDON SYSTEM My corps ticker is not AFKR for no reason. Well either way dropping ESS and cloaking means if 15% less, getting bombed or abandoning system and leaving it to me :) win win win
Arthur Aihaken Perkone Caldari State 2858	Posted - 2014.02.01 05:33:00 - [42] - Quote Here's one way to make them interesting: Have them accrue daily interest at the rate of 10%. So after a week it doubles - provided they can prevent others from stealing from it... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
polly papercut Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 65	Posted - 2014.02.01 08:42:00 - [43] - Quote Only way to fix it is to get rid of the stupid thing.. Every single idea posted here is just ******** lol.
Erotica 1 Krypteia Operations CODE. 3420	Posted - 2014.02.01 17:03:00 - [44] - Quote I'm confident CCP will tweak the ESS and come out with similar things to generate more tears. In fact, I hope CCP has some sort of tears meter in the office that takes measurements from forums, local, etc. Something like that would help ensure CCP stays on the right track. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1523	Posted - 2014.02.01 17:14:00 - [45] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Here's one way to make them interesting: Have them accrue daily interest at the rate of 10%. So after a week it doubles - provided they can prevent others from stealing from it... This is actually really cool, compound interest on my ESS. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
Flex Carter Caldari Independant Mining Association 113	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:39:00 - [46] - Quote La Nariz wrote: Arthur Aihaken wrote: Here's one way to make them interesting: Have them accrue daily interest at the rate of 10%. So after a week it doubles - provided they can prevent others from stealing from it... This is actually really cool, compound interest on my ESS. Also, just think how much money the coalition would be able to milk from the renters then...
Archaya Afrodwarf Just In Time Science Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 4	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:54:00 - [47] - Quote I personally love the ESS and would use it if it were just up to me. Fact of the matter is, at the moment, it's not worth it for the vast majority. Most people that want to use it do it for the extra 5% in bounties, however you have to let it sit there far too long to make it worth while. If it gave a permanent 5% gain to total bounties it might possibly be worth while, also if nullfied ships weren't able to just harass it to no end with no chance of getting caught (even cloaked ships are going to set off the local alert and give notice to people). I really like the thought of it, I really do, it's just that the application is a bit off.
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 2281	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:15:00 - [48] - Quote Lucas Kel wrote: It's pretty pointless. The hallmark quality of pretty much every non-graphic thing in this latest patch, yes? Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif
Ptraci 3 R Corporation Boarderline Cartel 1749	Posted - 2014.02.03 06:02:00 - [49] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Cheng Musana wrote: and being used as wormhole scout. HAHA! That is truly genius. Some times I love the EVE community (only sometimes), such a creative bunch. A WH scout, what by the people who are always screaming at CCP to remove local? Oh the irony.
Ptraci 3 R Corporation Boarderline Cartel 1749	Posted - 2014.02.03 06:04:00 - [50] - Quote Aquila Sagitta wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: ESS dropping in enemy system + stealth bomber or cloaky nado gank squad = fun. I don't think you understand null... AFK cloaker in Null system means ABANDON SYSTEM Maybe in Sov-land. Where I live it means someone to bait and kill. And his fleet too.
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1540	Posted - 2014.02.03 06:04:00 - [51] - Quote Flex Carter wrote: La Nariz wrote: Arthur Aihaken wrote: Here's one way to make them interesting: Have them accrue daily interest at the rate of 10%. So after a week it doubles - provided they can prevent others from stealing from it... This is actually really cool, compound interest on my ESS. Also, just think how much money the coalition would be able to milk from the renters then... It'd be worth defending and placing then too. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
Baron Chauman Dread Phoenix Society Fidelas Constans 4	Posted - 2014.02.03 06:08:00 - [52] - Quote Tried it for the first time today. Anchored it in an anomaly with tackling rats and went to some other anomalies and ratted for a while in my old geddon. Three Black Legion interceptors jumped in, one hilariously enough died to the rats and the other two shot the tacklers and took the tags. Only lost about 20m so for entertainment/bait value it was certainly worth it. Those who will use these for actual ratting are the ones who can keep an alt on top of it and scoop it as soon as something nasty enters, which is very easy to do, if you have an alt you can't use for ratting anyway and can play on both without your computer dying. This does not apply to me so probably will not use them for ratting. I wonder if you can anchor them inside a plex... can an inty tank a citadel torpedo?
Aquila Sagitta Blue-Fire 209	Posted - 2014.02.03 06:23:00 - [53] - Quote Ptraci wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Cheng Musana wrote: and being used as wormhole scout. HAHA! That is truly genius. Some times I love the EVE community (only sometimes), such a creative bunch. A WH scout, what by the people who are always screaming at CCP to remove local? Oh the irony. Thats getting fixed monday :) Blue-Fire Best Fire
Aquila Sagitta Blue-Fire 209	Posted - 2014.02.03 06:24:00 - [54] - Quote Baron Chauman wrote: Tried it for the first time today. Anchored it in an anomaly with tackling rats and went to some other anomalies and ratted for a while in my old geddon. Three Black Legion interceptors jumped in, one hilariously enough died to the rats and the other two shot the tacklers and took the tags. Only lost about 20m so for entertainment/bait value it was certainly worth it. Those who will use these for actual ratting are the ones who can keep an alt on top of it and scoop it as soon as something nasty enters, which is very easy to do, if you have an alt you can't use for ratting anyway and can play on both without your computer dying. This does not apply to me so probably will not use them for ratting. I wonder if you can anchor them inside a plex... can an inty tank a citadel torpedo? Thats pretty clever Putting these in a gated complex would be pretty annoying Blue-Fire Best Fire
Nimrod vanHall Biohazard. WINMATAR. 66	Posted - 2014.02.03 06:39:00 - [55] - Quote Aquila Sagitta wrote: Baron Chauman wrote: Tried it for the first time today. Anchored it in an anomaly with tackling rats and went to some other anomalies and ratted for a while in my old geddon. Three Black Legion interceptors jumped in, one hilariously enough died to the rats and the other two shot the tacklers and took the tags. Only lost about 20m so for entertainment/bait value it was certainly worth it. Those who will use these for actual ratting are the ones who can keep an alt on top of it and scoop it as soon as something nasty enters, which is very easy to do, if you have an alt you can't use for ratting anyway and can play on both without your computer dying. This does not apply to me so probably will not use them for ratting. I wonder if you can anchor them inside a plex... can an inty tank a citadel torpedo? Thats pretty clever Putting these in a gated complex would be pretty annoying I like the idea of putting it in a plex. As a dramiel can speed tank the 10/10 citadels i'm shure an inty can.
Baron Chauman Dread Phoenix Society Fidelas Constans 4	Posted - 2014.02.03 06:45:00 - [56] - Quote Nimrod vanHall wrote: I like the idea of putting it in a plex. As a dramiel can speed tank the 10/10 citadels i'm shure an inty can. Hmm... what about a 6000 damage smartbomb triggered by a stealth bomber >60k away? https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Gurista_Military_Complex
Eurydia Vespasian Storm Hunters 5032	Posted - 2014.02.03 08:09:00 - [57] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Cheng Musana wrote: and being used as wormhole scout. HAHA! That is truly genius. Some times I love the EVE community (only sometimes), such a creative bunch. pretty much what I use it for. drop one near an entrance/exit and know the minute anyone peeks in lol
Shvak The Warp Core Stabilizers Tactical Narcotics Team 42	Posted - 2014.02.03 08:09:00 - [58] - Quote I have actually tried to find one and failed dismally. None have been deployed in systems I rat. I even did a circuit of known large ratting areas and I did not find any deployed. And before you ask I had it set on my overview Its here to stay folks, another one of the myriad of totally useless stuff littering the eveverse. I am sure the team will eventually figure out the kinks and make is semi workable. I just think it was a complete waste of time. But here is my stupid suggestion to make them conflict drivers If they made the ESS a revenue stream for Sov holders, well I could see them becoming pretty important. Make them a little harder to kill. A form of VAT on each bounty going to the Sov holders. Keep the stupid LP and bonus to bounties for the players but duplicate it for the Sov alliance. Sov alliances will have a reason to want them to be up. The OP indicated he stole 165m from one. times that by say 20 or 30 systems and you suddenly have an extra revenue stream especially if you have renter space. You make take all more profitable as well because you steal both portions, the alliances and the players. The only rework then needed is to boost strength so it cannot just be destroyed by a handful of ships and link it to sov of system. Also maybe a little bit of isk over say a 24 hour period to the player who drop it into system. Isk always goes to Sov so even a bad guys ESS may be left untouched as long as everyone in system is happy with the payout... Dumb ideas but then so was the ESS
Victor Andall Complexes and Abaddons 65	Posted - 2014.02.03 09:32:00 - [59] - Quote Aquila Sagitta wrote: Out in various nullsex looking for ESS to rob and I've only found one. Which had 1.2mil in it which I stole. ^ ESS-hole I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do? http://andallcombat.wordpress.com/current-tournament/
Aquila Sagitta Blue-Fire 212	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:28:00 - [60] - Quote Updated OP Blue-Fire Best Fire

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